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Hamza Kashgari, Saudi Writer, May Face Trial For Tweets On Prophet Mohammad

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First Posted: 02/13/2012 10:18 am Updated: 02/13/2012 11:11 am


By Asma Alsharif and Amena Bakr

JEDDAH/DUBAI (Reuters) - A young Saudi blogger and columnist has been deported to his homeland to face trial soon after fleeing from death threats triggered by comments on the social network Twitter seen as blasphemy against the Prophet Mohammad.

Hamza Kashgari, 23, fled Saudi Arabia four days ago but was arrested by police in Malaysia en route to New Zealand. Malaysia, which has a majority Muslim population and enjoys close ties with Arab states, sent back Kashgari Sunday.

A former columnist for the Al Bilad newspaper, Kashgari had sent a series of Twitter posts, or tweets, one week ago of an imaginary conversation with the Prophet Mohammad.

In Saudi Arabia, the world's top oil exporter and home to Islam's two holiest sites in Mecca and Medina, such comments could be considered blasphemy and punishable by death under the kingdom's strict interpretation of Islam.

Kashgari has apologized at length for his posts, however, and a Saudi lawyer said while he faced harsh punishment, it was unlikely to be the death penalty.

Interior and foreign ministry spokesmen declined to comment on Kashgari's status, although Saudi Information Minister Abdul-Aziz Khoja responded to the incident via Twitter.

"When I read what he posted, I wept and got very angry that someone in the country of the Two Holy Mosques attacks our Prophet in a manner that does not fit a Muslim...," Khoja said.

"I have given instructions to ban him from writing for any Saudi newspaper or magazine, and there will be legal measures to guarantee that," he said.

Writing on the Prophet Mohammad's birthday, Kashgari sent three tweets of a fictional conversation with the Prophet.

Addressing the Prophet, Kashgari said he "loved the rebel in you" and that he "loved some aspects of you, hated others."

The reaction on the Internet was swift and vitriolic.

First, there was a flurry of angry comments on Twitter - estimated at more than 30,000 in 24 hours. A Facebook page, "Saudi people want punishment for Hamza Kashgari," has quickly grown to more than 20,000 members.

CALLS FOR EXECUTION

"The only choice is for Kashgari to be killed and crucified in order to be a lesson to other secularists," an online reader of al-Madina newspaper, Abu Abdulrahman, commented on the news of Kashgari's extradition Sunday.

A YouTube video of a tearful Saudi cleric Nasser al-Omar calling for Kashgari to be arrested and tried went viral.

Kashgari will probably face trial soon, Saudi officials told Reuters.

"Thank God that he has repented and we hope that Allah will accept it. If, God forbid, there is a trial, we ask for it to be a lenient one," said a person close to Kashgari's family.

Although Kashgari will almost certainly receive a harsh punishment, he is likely to avoid the death penalty if he formally repents in court, said Saudi lawyer Sulaiman al-Jomaii.

"His case is dependent on his repentance. If he repents (in court) then it will be as if he has not committed a crime and there is no Saudi law that details a punishment for his offense if he repents," Jomaii said.

"(This) is a struggle between moderate, true Islam and extreme Islam. Moderate Islam is tolerant. The young man (Kashgari) made a mistake, a big blunder and he must apologize," said Saudi commentator Jamal Khashoggi. "I'm sure that the state is kind and it should not come under pressure. He is only 23 years old. Young people go through these kinds of doubts."

Kashgari removed the offending Twitter comments six hours after posting them and issued a long public apology, but his family said he fled the country because he had feared for his life.

Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch had called on Malaysia not to deport Kashgari.

Before his arrest Kashgari said in an interview with the U.S. news website Daily Beast that he did not think he could ever go home because of the death threats, but was also defiant.

"I view my actions as part of a process toward freedom. I was demanding my right to practice the most basic human rights - freedom of expression and thought - so nothing was done in vain," Kashgari was quoted as saying. "I believe I'm just a scapegoat for a larger conflict. There are a lot of people like me in Saudi Arabia who are fighting for their rights."

Saudi Arabia is also one of the most conservative states in the Arab world. There is tension over the pace of gradual political, economic and social reforms in Saudi Arabia aimed at reconciling the Islamic kingdom's conservative traditions with a young, increasingly outward looking population.

INTROSPECTIVE LONER

A graduate of the University of King Abdulaziz with a major in Islamic studies, Kashgari had left the Al Bilad newspaper five weeks before the incident due to disagreements over money and his writing.

"Hamza always liked being alone, he wasn't a social person," said a senior editor at Al Bilad. "He had a broken look in his eyes and I think that was a sign of sadness or depression. He's a poet and had a lot of philosophical ideas."

The editor said the young writer had learned the Koran by heart and always had good manners, noting that none of his columns had touched on controversial religious ideas.

Despite a tightening of media rules after the spread of popular revolts through the Arab world over the past year, Saudis are increasingly turning to online news, social networking and satellite television for information.

That has made social media an especially popular - and closely-watched - forum for exchanging views.

(Writing by Reed Stevenson; Editing by Mark Heinrich)

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TomMartin
Freedom and equality.
09:01 AM on 02/17/2012
Shame on the government of Malaysia for deporting him. And Muslims are only 60% in Malaysia. I sure hope they don't become a majority here.
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Goutham Vishy
10:42 AM on 02/17/2012
"And Muslims are only 60% in Malaysia. I sure hope they don't become a majority here."..
You think 60% is not majority??
TomMartin
Freedom and equality.
04:29 PM on 02/17/2012
You misunderstood me. Of course 60% is a majority. What I meant is I hope they don't ever become a majority here in the US. I have never even visited Malaysia, much less living there.
08:34 PM on 02/16/2012
Long live tweeting guy! May millions more tweet!
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Sasa Milosevic
Impression without expression is depression
06:17 AM on 02/16/2012
O, well known Saudi doctrine: if you are opposite the radical Islam you are " depressed, sadness man with broken look in eyes, self-isolated, and poet".

Very misarable way to proclaimed someone as mentally unstable person daring to talk with Prophet despite fact this man studied Islam.

And it is nonsense to divide Islam into three groups: " moderate, true Islam and extreme Islam."

You follow the true, health Islam or you follow the deviant, radical Islam.

There is no the third party....

Moderate Islam is creation of Western friends in attempt to easy step in in oil-rich Islamic lands giving them acceptable political option in propaganda of rigid Islamic principles...
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OtayPanky
You're welcome
08:27 PM on 02/15/2012
falak naz: The guy has shocked million of people globaly, and perhaps .00001% of people is in his favor and this is only for relegious concerns not for the reason that the gauy did good thing.so appropiate punishment should be given so for nobody trouble the heart of people in future and this become a lesson for the young generation­.

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Thank you for making my point (see my long post below). In the world's Islamic countries, this kind of totalitarian religious thinking is NORMATIVE, and not the perversion of Islam by a few extremists.

At some point, we will wean ourselves from dependence upon oil. When that happens, hopefully people in the West will begin to apply severe pressure to these Islamic countries, just like we did to South Africa in the days of apartheid.

That pressure for human rights, coupled with access to the internet, will ultimately convince the people in these Islamic countries that a society based on religious totalitarianism is a terrible choice. A small number of Muslims have recognized that already, but we've got a long, long way to go.

Turkey under Attaturk figured this out. But today, a resurgence of Muslim fundamentalists is putting their hard won religious liberty at risk.

Once, global Christianity was a terrible disease as it imposed its religious imperialism in Europe. But its back was broken by the Enlightenment.

Today, we have the same situation in the Islamic world, and the solution is ultimately the same.
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Semprini
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09:01 PM on 02/15/2012
Very good. I can see it here in a few other examples of HP posters who refuse to come out and say it directly, but clearly support these actions.

There is a long way to go.
05:35 AM on 02/15/2012
The guy has shocked million of people globaly, and perhaps .00001% of people is in his favor
and this is only for relegious concerns not for the reason that the gauy did good thing.so appropiate punishment should be given so for nobody trouble the heart of people in future and this become a lesson for the young generation.
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09:48 AM on 02/15/2012
Ill tell you a lesson Christians learned: Punishing thought only turns people into martyrs and spreads it to other people.
At the end of the day, you will see that these actions will cause secualrism rather than destroy it.
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loOranks
I am the master of my fate; captain of my soul
12:50 PM on 02/15/2012
If you are 'shocked' by a twitter post, made by a complete stranger having no bearing on your life whatsoever, I think you need to consult a psychiatrist.

Seriously.
04:51 AM on 02/16/2012
Dear brother if someone falsely or erroneously show you wife, sister or daughter wrong image what will be your feelings.
Islam teaches that prophet peace be upon him should be the first priority regarding love
this is not only a twitter post but a great blame.
these are little thinking foods for you
03:00 AM on 02/15/2012
Support freedom of speech! Sign this petition http://www.savehamza.org

I believe those of us lucky enough to live in free countries need to speak on behalf of those that don't have such freedoms. No one should be executed or punished for just tweeting their thoughts. The US needs to step in here and say enough is enough - so should Twitter, the UN, and the world community.
09:30 PM on 02/14/2012
Is it not wonderful to see our Moderate and Modern Islamists fighting together to combat the hideous international crime of freedom of speech?

Their dedication to such tragedy is heart warming. If only their dedication to corruption, poverty and human slavery could match their dedication to stomping out thought.
11:15 PM on 02/14/2012
You may also check out that the Saud government is also looking at charging anyone who supported the journalist as also being guilty of a crime.
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Doug Sandlin
We See The World Not As It Is But As We Are
09:34 PM on 02/15/2012
Nothing modern or moderate about the Saudis.
11:19 PM on 02/15/2012
The Malaysians extradited him.
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Goutham Vishy
10:43 AM on 02/17/2012
So Doug, you think you can do this in Pakistan or Malaysia?? Do you think there is 'Nothing modern or moderate about Pakistan/Malaysia"?
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Sofia Champion
The future is now.
09:16 PM on 02/14/2012
If Muhammad saw these idiots taking a dump all over his name he'd eat his pillow. From what I remember, the Saudi government tried to blow up his family's graves a while back so no one would use them as shrines -- goes to show how much they really care about any Muslim who isn't a rich fundie, because pretty much every other sect of Islam across the globe was absolutely outraged by this.

And I'm no Qur'an expert, but I remember there was a little anecdote in there about a lady who threw poop at his door every day, and Muhammad didn't really do anything. The one day she didn't throw poop at his house, he said something like, "Oh no, where is that lady who throws poop at my door every day? I hope she isn't sick." From this I infer that Muhammad was pretty chill.

So yeah, if Muhammad could deal with having poop thrown at his door every day, he would be civil towards a guy who made fun of him, and would probably not order him to be crucified. Some thought food for the Saudi government.
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loOranks
I am the master of my fate; captain of my soul
12:57 PM on 02/15/2012
"chill" is probably the last thing that would come to mind when characterizing Muhammad.

Indeed, the anecdote you refer to is not in the quran. It's a hadith, and there are many of these which are shedding a very different light on "chill" Muhammad. Check 'em out...
TomMartin
Freedom and equality.
09:12 AM on 02/17/2012
Muhammad ordered the successful assassination of 3 poets who criticized him, namely 'Asma, Abu 'Afak, and Ka'b ibn Ashrat.
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kodimirpal
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08:51 PM on 02/14/2012
Apostate is high treason when Muhammad’s nation was fighting a war of survival.

The apostate laws were applicable when Muhammad’s small community of a few hundred followers were fighting life and death wars with the Quraish (the unbelievers then)

But Muhammad hardly applied this rule even when he was alive. I can get names of some prominent Muslims who deserted from Islam and migrated to neighbouring countries during the time of Muhammad.

These are laws applied during the time of extrra-ordinary circumstances when the nation of Islam was fighting for its survival. Not any more.


The criminal laws of all nations contain what you may call violent punishments for serious crimes such as armed robbery, treason, rape, murder, assassination of leaders, arson, kidnapping and so on.

Singapore law punished a man by hanging should he carry 10 grams of a dangerous drug and Singapore canes a foreigner for overstaying even for a few days.

Simply because the criminal laws books contain these violent punishments would you say that they are bad and should be removed from the Statute Books?

Same thing about the Quran, there can nothing be bad about it. Guided and misguided people interpret the verses of the Quran based on their limited knowledge as they interpret American criminal laws and the punishements.

But only about 5% of the shariah laws are straight forward and not subject to change and the rest are all subject to new interpretation and change based on the new situations and circumstances
09:31 PM on 02/14/2012
Oh. Shariah law is changeable to get you to accept it, and then becomes more and more draconian over time as the small cadre of people who control its application gain power.

Thank you for clarifying that.
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Semprini
Stamp out and abolish redundancy
10:06 PM on 02/14/2012
Yes, in my opinion ridiculously violent punishments should be stricken, because they are barbaric. Doesn't mean they will be, but that is my wish.

There an be lots of bad things about the Koran...it's antiquated, it has been used to inflict great misery, contradicts itself, and is the product of one man's fertile imagination.

But, if as you claim apostasy is no longer a crime, then you should happily admit that the Saudis are wrong. Why not say so?
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kodimirpal
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08:33 PM on 02/14/2012
Personal liberty is not absolute.

There already exists an established tradition of degrading Islam with all its nuances and cultural manifestations.

It is amazing Switzerland becomes an ideal democracy while banning minarets on the basis of a majority vote.

To prevent a democracy from degenerating into a mobocracy, one has to define certain red lines which cannot be impacted by group behaviour —

However, the issue here is not one of freedom of expression as was falsely portrayed by
the miniscule of over-the-top shouting television anchors — the issue here was an abuse and attack on the religious identity of a very large population.

It goes without saying that irrespective of the post-modern notion of the liberated individual, large sections of populations in both the East as well as the West, think of religion as the only way of life
they know.

The traditions of religions , have always been a source of strength to its citizens.

Even in Europe, the holiness of the Vatican and the Church has remained undisturbed. Local
pastors cater to the religious needs of their localities in the US, which is the supposed liberal paradise.

The liberal minority is itself most restrictive of freedom of expression by indulging in much clamour
and little understanding of what shapes and defines the lives of large sections of peoples.

Man is at heart a spiritual and moral being whose thirst for the same can only be satiated by faith.
09:01 PM on 02/14/2012
Muhammad is a false prophet, come at me bro.
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09:50 AM on 02/15/2012
Jesus was a heretic and fool :)
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Semprini
Stamp out and abolish redundancy
10:15 PM on 02/14/2012
What a load of self-serving tripe! This was not "abuse and attack on the religious identity" of ANYONE...it was a few tweets, which were nothing but poetic imaginings. Such hyperbolic nonsense...how did this kid's tweets damage anyone or anything???

Was there a special on red herring at your local fishmonger?

This issue is in fact simple. "No compulsion in religion". Is this true, or is it false? I am absolutely amazed, again, that a modern sounding person would support such an abuse of freedom. Over tweets, fer allah's sake!
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OtayPanky
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04:46 PM on 02/14/2012
The question arises whether this is the work of a few misguided Islamic extremists - or whether it reflects the character of global Islam.

So I want to ask this question of those who know more about these Islamic countries than I do:

IS THIS NORMATIVE?

Said another way, is this blogger or if that guy in Indonesia who was arrested the other week for doubting the existence of Allah had done the same thing in any Islamic country, would he have been treated the way we treat those who question or attack religion here in America?

I ask the same question in regard to tolerance or intolerance of homosexuals. What is normative in the sixty Islamic nations?

And again, what is normative in these sixty Islamic nations, when it comes to religious tolerance of other sects, such as the Sufi, or the Ba'hai? Or other religions, including non-theistic religions such as Buddhism? Or those who would proclaim themselves atheists, and completely irreligious?

And again, what is normative in regards to equal rights for women?

My belief (and I am open to be challenged and corrected) is that we have to stop focusing merely on individual incidents (as evil as they are), and focus more intently on the root of evil, which is the conjoining of religion and government.

And right now, Islam is the big problem here.

Agreed...or not?
09:34 PM on 02/14/2012
Islam is a complete system of life, from how to run your government to how to wipe your bum.

You have but to open the Quran to find that out. Faith is not required, only your obedience.
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09:50 AM on 02/15/2012
Same with Judaism, but I think we do just fine and are generally moral people
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Doug Sandlin
We See The World Not As It Is But As We Are
09:42 PM on 02/15/2012
I still have a hard time saying "Islam" is the problem, only because, like you, I have no quarrel with moderate and free-thinking Muslims, such as most American Muslims, along with Sufis, Ahmaddiyas, other moderate Muslims, etc., around the world.

I would probably specify something along the lines of "ultra-conservative Islam" (it's not the Sufis or the Ahmadiyyas or the moderate American Muslims or the moderate Indian Muslims that are creating the problems that you describe, above).

Other than that, though, I agree with you ---- Faved.

I'm impressed with your recent thinking, here ..... you're outlining facts, giving credit where credit is due to peaceful Muslims, and calling out totalitarianism where it actually exists ... without resorting to any of the fiction we often see in anti-Islam comments.

I've always said that I'd like agree with anyone who did that ....... and I do.

You appear to have found (and articulated) a great deal of common ground between my views, and some of the people with whom I normally disagree strongly -- and so, thank you.
04:52 PM on 02/16/2012
Great post, Doug
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OtayPanky
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11:56 PM on 02/16/2012
Doug: I still have a hard time saying "Islam" is the problem...I would probably specify something along the lines of "ultra-con­servative Islam"

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Well, the phrase I'm actually using in my posts is "global Islam". I'm not saying that it's the best phrase to describe the meme that desires to create Islam-driven governments.

I don't know that "ultra-con­servative Islam" works, because there are ultra-conservatives in Judaism, Christianity and (I would guess) Islam as well, who might not be interested in theocratic governments.

Maybe the better phrase would be "theocratic Islam".
02:01 PM on 02/14/2012
Islam: Violent founder, violent book
What would you expect to come from this?
08:31 PM on 02/16/2012
The Bible is full of unspeakable acts of violence carried out under the command of God. 'nuff said.
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kodimirpal
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11:34 AM on 02/14/2012
Some readers have taken strong exception to isolated incidents taking place in Malaysia or else where.

I can give hundreds of such instances from India for instance where in the name of religion inter-caste killings is a daily occurrence.

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-is-karnataka-the-most-dangerous-state-for-christians/20120119.htm

Karnataka in india for instance is ther most dangerous state for Christians in India

But, certainly, violence is more than killing people, unless one includes all those words and actions that kill people slowly. The effect of limitation to a “killing fields” perspective is the widespread neglect of many other forms of violence.


Some of the most pervasive and most dangerous forms of violence are those that are often hidden from view just beneath the surface in many of our churches, and communities .

Moreover, many forms of systemic violence often slip past our attention because they are so much a part of the infrastructure of life (e.g., racism, sexism, ageism).

The invention of the concept of "religious violence" helps the West reinforce superiority of Western social orders to "nonsecular" social orders, namely Muslims at the time of publication.

The concept of "religious violence" can be and is used to legitimate violence against non-Western "Others".

Peace depends on a balanced view of violence and recognition that so-called secular ideologies and institutions can be just as prone to absolutism, divisiveness, and irrationality.
12:06 PM on 02/14/2012
Please, the superiority of western social order has far more to do with its respect for personal liberty than its ability to curtail violence.
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09:53 AM on 02/15/2012
Possibly, but both of those are hypotheses so I'm not going to agree with either of you. I always thought Europeans succeeded because they were quicker to war and adapt as the great eastern empires grew lazy and slow to react. As China's last ironworks shut down, the first one in England opened and the rest was history.
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Semprini
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12:15 PM on 02/14/2012
And all of that is very interesting, and some of it is even true...however, do you support or reject the Saudis and Malaysians in prosecuting this guy for some tweets? These incidents are not as isolated as you want to pretend they are.

At some point, one has to decide where one stands on matters of personal freedom. Where do YOU stand?
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kodimirpal
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08:57 PM on 02/14/2012
How would the US Government treat a case of an American senior military officer deserting, converting to Islam and joining Al-Qaeda and helping to kill American military officers, say in Afghanistan or Iraq?

Of course orders will be out to capture him alive and meet the court-martial.

You tell me what will be the conviction should he be found guilty?

Should the same officer have retired from services and becoming a Muslim in USA would have no case against him.

Imagine if some thing like 15-20% of the fighting men (Americans) decide to be converted to Islam in Iraq. Will the USA simple forget the story calling them dissidents?


In English law until 1973, high treason was punishable by being hanged, drawn and quartered or burnt at the stake , or beheading . Treason was the only crime which attracted those penalties (until they were abolished in 1814, 1790 and 1973 respectively).
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04:26 AM on 02/15/2012
I,m for the 'tweeting''guy!!!!
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07:46 AM on 02/14/2012
Ah, totalitarism is a friend of the clergy as they are really f##king afraid of free speech. There´s no telling what the sheeple will figure out next when they see that God doesn´t strike them down for blasphemy. As long as mainstream views in Islam include things like death penalty for apostasy, harsh penalties for blasphemy, expecting even outsiders to the cult to follow its rules, no tolerance for free speech and criticism, oppression of women etc. I will continue to have an utterly negative opinion of that in my opinion dangerous totalitarian backward fascist political ideology and don´t want it to spread in the West. The only way for islam to gain more foothold in the West is to bring it in with immigration as it is so totally repulsive for the ordinary westerner who values individual liberty, rationality, liberal democracy, equality and just basic common sense.
Perhaps we in the West could help the heartlands of islam by bombarding them with so called blasphemous material, they´ll go bananas at first but should settle down eventually and join the modern world.
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02:16 AM on 02/14/2012
Why don't we put to death the muslims who complain about our Christian religion?
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Sofia Champion
The future is now.
09:10 PM on 02/14/2012
Why don't we not put anyone to death at all?
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Semprini
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10:17 PM on 02/14/2012
The best choice. It really should go without saying too, yet it seems to need to be shouted.