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Elie Wiesel: Mitt Romney Should Tell Mormon Church To Stop Performing Posthumous Proxy Baptisms On Jews

First Posted: 02/14/2012 11:26 am Updated: 02/14/2012 11:33 am

Elie Wiesel, the Holocaust survivor who has devoted his life to combating intolerance, says Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney "should speak to his own church and say they should stop" performing posthumous proxy baptisms on Jews.

The Nobel Peace Prize winner spoke to The Huffington Post Tuesday soon after HuffPost reported that according to a formerly-Mormon researcher, Helen Radkey, some members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints had submitted Wiesel's name to a restricted genealogy website as "ready" for posthumous proxy baptism. Radkey found that the name of Wiesel had been submitted to the database for the deceased, from which a separate process for proxy baptism could be initiated. Radkey also said that the names of Wiesel's deceased father and maternal grandfather had been submitted to the site.

A spokesman for the Mormon Church claimed that the names were simply entered into the database, and none were submitted for baptism, which he described as a separate process. The entry of a living person, he said, was a mistake, and he provided no explanation for the submission of Wiesel's father and maternal grandfather. By Monday the records for the names of Wiesel and his family had been changed to "not available," according to Radkey.

The incident follows years of controversy and efforts by Jewish leaders, including Wiesel, to get the Mormon Church to stop the practice of posthumous proxy baptism that many find objectionable.

"I think it's scandalous. Not only objectionable, it's scandalous," Wiesel said of the baptisms.

Negotiations between Mormon and Jewish leaders led to an agreement in 1995 for the church to stop the posthumous baptism of all Jews, except in the case of direct ancestors of Mormons, but Radkey says she found that some Mormons had failed to adhere to the agreement. Wiesel was among a group of Jewish leaders who campaigned against the practice and prompted a 2010 pact by which the Mormon Church promised to at least prevent proxy baptism requests for Holocaust victims. Wiesel said that proxy baptisms have been performed on behalf of 650,000 Holocaust dead.

If the Mormon Church has begun the process of proxy baptisms for the living, Wiesel said, "I object fervently. It's an outrage."

Wiesel said that the situation has gotten so out of hand that the most prominent Mormon in the country should speak out about it.

"I wonder if as a candidate for the presidency Mitt Romney is aware of what his church is doing. I hope that if he hears about this that he will speak up," Wiesel said, noting that a presidential candidate "should comment on everything."

Supporters of Romney have accused the media of linking him to controversial church practices even as they give other Mormons, such as Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, a pass. The Republican frontrunner has said that he has personally performed proxy baptisms as part of the Mormon Church.

HuffPost reached out via email to the Romney campaign for comment. In an email accidentally sent to the reporter, spokeswoman Gail Gitcho suggested that the campaign ignore the request.

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Elie Wiesel, the Holocaust survivor who has devoted his life to combating intolerance, says Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney "should speak to his own church and say they should stop" perf...
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11:27 AM on 03/05/2012
"Elie Wiesel, the Holocaust survivor who has devoted his life to combating intolerance, says Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney "should speak to his own church and say they should stop" performing posthumous proxy baptisms on Jews."

What is this a joke? Wiesel spends a lifetime combating intolerance and yet is being intolerant. Someone needs to teach Wiesel that tolerance is a two way street.

This is not news worthy. This is about Wiesel trying to play the victim to derail Mitt Romney.

Wake up America. Romney has the ability to turn things around don't be duped by this bigotry articles like this one.
06:29 PM on 04/27/2012
The Onion secretly infiltrated HuffPo, and the Flat Earth Eco-Luddites here are gobbling it up.
02:42 PM on 03/01/2012
Its the mormon churches right to do whatever they want... the arguments against the church doing this are the same arguments people use against gay marriage. "It will take the rights away from straight married couples" NO it won't! how? --- "It takes rights away from the dead" No it doesn't! how? And even if it did (which it doesn't) since when did the US protect the rights of the dead? Answer: They don't.

The mormon church has a right do whatever the hell they want to.
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08:55 PM on 02/28/2012
WHAKOS! Keep you religion to yourselves. And leave the dead alone.
10:22 PM on 02/25/2012
Shalom & Erev tov...to me it is a predictable reflection of 2000 years of crucifictionist (often exterminationist) delusions. 'Yeshua benMiriam' was the fabrication of a Graeco-Roman-Egyptian revelatory death cult. There was no parthenogensis, no discipleships, no 'passion', no Gol Goatha, no 'resurrection'. There HAS been nothing but murder, and the 'mormon' cult, like the larger crucifictionist cult, has NEVER had a covenant with YHVH, haKodesh Barukh Hu. STEPHAN PICKERING / Chofetz Chayim benAvraham
11:57 AM on 02/25/2012
We're taught, and rightly so, to be respectful of religions and views different form our own. But that does not erase the responsibility to think critically about one's beliefs and pratices or those of others. I have the greatest respect for Elie Wiesel and am grateful to him for exposing a practice that insults every Jew, every Christian, every Muslitm, every Buddhis, everyone who could not in good conscience embrace any religion at all by imposing Mormon baptism. Nothing could be more arrogant. The proxy baptisms are not the only beliefs and practices that deserve thoughtful examination. More troublesome to me is the underlying Mormon assumptions that make the United States of America the very center of all human history - the alleged geography of a real Garden of Eden (in Missouri) and of the Second Coming of Christ (also in Missouri). As much as the proxy baptisms, those beliefs should send chills down the spines of everyone whose God who belongs to no one nation, no one culture, no one relgion - the God of the heavens and the Earth "Whose ways afre not our ways and Whose thoughts are not our thoughts."
01:03 PM on 02/25/2012
I agree, thoughtful examination would be nice. For instance, your statement about "imposing Mormon baptism" is flatly wrong in two respects: the proxy work imposes nothing because the dead are free to reject it if they choose, and those for whom the proxy work is performed do not become Mormons even if we were to somehow learn that they had accepted it - being a Mormon is a status for the living.
10:26 AM on 03/05/2012
Actually not. Those posthumously baptized are listed on Mormon rolls as members.
06:14 PM on 04/22/2012
"a practice that insults every Jew, every Christian ....."

That's a lot of "every's." Would the Apostle Paul (Jew AND Christian) be insulted? Considering he discusses their practice in 1st Corinthians, I guess not. You cannot "impose" Mormon baptism. The dead choose whether to accept or reject it. If baptism could be forced upon them, it would negate the value of agency, the heart of Mormon doctrine.

Proxy baptisms are demonstrations of love, they are not about arrogance. If you had a cure for cancer, and you had the ability to distribute it to all of your relatives, wouldn't you lovingly do so? This is no different. Some got carried away, and went beyond church policy, and tried to help a group for whom we especially feel a great deal of sympathy - victims of the holocaust. Good intentions - but overstepping.

I'm a Mormon, and I couldn't care less where the "real garden of Eden" is or was or will be. What I care about is the presence of the Holy Spirit in my life, which has served to comfort and protect me throughout various times and experiences since I was baptized 18 years ago. Non-LDS love to try and pick apart what they consider weird about our religion, but in the end, it isn't about the details. It's about the spirit. When you experience it, you accept the rest because the spirit testifies the truth to you.
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07:49 PM on 02/23/2012
The Mormons believe they are the only "true" church. Therefore they believe that it is their obligation to allow anyone to become Mormon, including the deceased. After all, how can a Jew who never had a chance to join the Mormon Church get into the "true" heaven otherwise? They assume that anyone who had a choice would have become Mormon if they could. So they baptize people into their Church posthumously. I find it a very offensive idea, and a major violation of others' boundaries, but they don't think that way. They also say that if the dead person who is baptized doesn't want to be Mormon, they don't have to be, so it's like a choice the deceased can make after they die. The Mormons do a lot of strange things and have a lot of "interesting" beliefs. They also have hired assassins called Night Riders who go out and kill people who are considered enemies of the Church. Hmm ... maybe that's how Romney will do away with his political enemies if he gets elected ....
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11:02 AM on 02/24/2012
Well said. I like how you broke it down with diplomacy even in the face of odyssey. They are just bizarre. It’s the hypocrisy that gets under my skin. If you want to make a difference (not you Robin I mean a Mormon or any wannabe do gooder), feed a homeless person. Volunteer. Argue for a cause, a REAL cause- something that will make a difference. Nothing comes out of baptizing a deceased person who on top of that was Jewish... To baptize is to be reborn. The act after the fact makes me question their sanity as a whole. That’s why people consider them a cult... along with other religions. Absolutely nothing comes out of this.
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04:38 PM on 02/24/2012
I am speaking as a no-longer practicing christian. All the christians churches hold that they are the one true church. And that is the problem with so many of those people -- they see their salvation as a zero sum game, winner takes all. They don't see that everyone can find salvation. I can only imagine how Jesus would have felt about their arrogance, hubris, and lack of love for other faiths to treat them in such a demeaning fashion.
01:07 PM on 02/25/2012
You are right, everyone can find salvation because everyone will have a chance to learn of Jesus and accept his sacrifice in the next life if not in this one (1 Peter 4:6). As for how Jesus would feel, he was the one that said, "Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit." (John 3:5) and "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6).
01:59 PM on 02/23/2012
Without a person's (or a body's) permission/acceptance of the faith, the individual isn't really a Mormon. - A person's soul isn't changed just because a person on earth says some words. As you die, so shall you remain. An earthling can't magically undo a dead person's faith. - So, relax and worry not.
catmandoozy
Fed up with gullibility...
09:34 PM on 02/23/2012
People aren't worried....they're offended.
03:04 PM on 02/21/2012
As a matter of perspective: the label "an ti se mite" and its cognates has been thrown around this discussion quite recklessly. However, cooler heads do not agree.

When Helen Radkey, the main source of noise on this topic, lambasted Ernest Michel, chairman of the World Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors for not being pugnacious enough against the Mor mon Church, he responded in an interview in the Je wi sh Daily Forward:

"'I have an established relationship with the church,' he said. 'They are not an ti se mites, and they want to work with us. I'm not coming in like a bull in a china shop. I'll let Helen Radkey speak for herself.'"

But hey; what would he know?
catmandoozy
Fed up with gullibility...
10:28 PM on 02/21/2012
It's so amusing when Mormons make the FIRST MOVE to necro-dunk dead non/never-Mormons by proxy....and then complain if someone objects to their religious hubris.

It's sounds like: "We don't mean to be so rude and boundary-challenged, but our God MAKES us act that way...so quit complaining about it and stop bothering us. We're Special."

Amusing indeed...
01:46 PM on 02/22/2012
What's "amusing" is that your bit ter rant does not address anything I wrote at all. You simply talk right past me.

Something else that's "amusing" is your complete fa il ure to understand anything at all about the Church you claim to have attended for lo, those eighty years.
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12:45 AM on 02/20/2012
why baptize only Jewish people? why not extend the courtesy to everyone posthumously?
12:10 PM on 02/20/2012
That is why some of the comments on this thread are so outrageous. proxy baptism can be performed on behalf of any deceased person no matter what thier background is, yet because some people have submitted the names of Jewish ancestors all of a sudden it is labeled antisemitism.
01:14 PM on 02/20/2012
It is an ignorant insult to the people they are Baptizing no matter what their views.
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KaAp
02:27 PM on 02/20/2012
However the Ca tho lic church no longer permits any Parish to share any information with them because of what they do ... and since bap tis m is a horrifying word for Je wish people that is why
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12:38 AM on 02/20/2012
after they are baptized posthumously can they also be married in mormon church?
01:45 PM on 02/20/2012
When Latter-day Saints perform work for their deceased ancestors (which is and always has been the main thrust of our proxy ordinance work) it includes baptisms on behalf of the dead, the sealing of husbands and wives and the sealing of children to parents. We believe that the dead still live as spirits, and that they are able to accept or reject these ordinances done in their behalf.
catmandoozy
Fed up with gullibility...
09:41 PM on 02/23/2012
"...the main thrust of our proxy ordinance work..."

Hilarious. You know damn well that the Mormon goal is to dead-baptize the entire world into the Only True Church...since all the other churches are "Abominations".

And the 'prophets' still continue to seal Husband & Wife, Wife, Wife..... in the temples too. As long as only one wife is alive on Earth at a time. It's called Celestial, Spiritual Wifery.

Keep that immoral marriage ritual to yourself...along with the immoral dead-baptizing...
01:21 AM on 02/19/2012
This is a typical case of political baiting.
Mr Wiesel was unexpectedly confronted with the fact that suddenly his name had (re)appeared in the LDS genealogical database.
Instead of considering that this was done on purpose by someone with a political agenda, he walked right into the trap and caused a stir.
I'm sorry for him, sorry for Mr Romney, and sorry for the principles of religious tolerance.
03:06 PM on 02/20/2012
Indeed. This is a political beat-up.

One wonders if this issue would be getting any air time at all if Mr Romney were a lib er al Dem oc rat candidate.

Or, if it were getting air time, one wonders if Mr Romney's name would be getting dragged into it.
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mmiller459
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04:46 PM on 02/24/2012
If Rom ney w e r e a lib eral he would be sub jec ted to this com pla int too. (Why the heck do you do that anyway? It's annoying.) The issue is not political but rather why members of some religions feel other religions are so bad that they need to deign to "help" them? This posthumous baptism by proxy thing, other than being ridiculous, is demeaning, insulting, and shows an unbelievable lack of love or understanding of others.
catmandoozy
Fed up with gullibility...
10:35 PM on 02/21/2012
Since when is forcing your religious hubris onto dead people of other religions considered religious tolerance...?
If Mormons would mind their own business no one would complain about their sanctimonious, boundary-challenged behavior...
01:07 AM on 02/22/2012
How do you describe demanding the power to withhold the right of others to make their own decisions in religious matters? The dead are as capable of making their own decisions as to what they will accept or reject as anyone else.

As for the "mind our own business" bit, Jesus Christ's Great Commission precludes serious Christians from "minding their own business," and as Peter indicated it isn't limited to the living. 1 Peter 4:6:

For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.
05:59 AM on 02/22/2012
I meant tolerance in this instance as in not judging an institution by the act of some rogues.
10:56 PM on 02/18/2012
"Elijah the Profit will bring near those who were improperly put away and leave alone those who were improperly brought near." (Last Mishnah of Edyot)

I now understand this Mishnah in part as follows: Those who were forced to adopt another religion whether living or dead at the time, and their descendants will be allowed to be Jews.
10:37 PM on 02/17/2012
i made a typo error by not spelling 'theological' correctly. I apologize.
10:34 PM on 02/17/2012
I know nothing about Jewish theoloical doctrine.

please tell me, or refer me to a reliable source in judaism..

i want to know what you believe, and your rituals and ceremonies from you instead of hearing from religious sources that , well, are anti-judaic. I am open to learning about judaism.

and for those who care, i am upset for you that candidates ruined the sabbath-night nevada caucues for you. they had no right to be there,, and certainly showed no respect for judaism.
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KaAp
11:31 PM on 02/17/2012
Go to a library if you want to find out about the J e wish religion ... I do not know what you mean by being open to learning about learning about us certainly there are in Nevada (in Las Vegas or in Reno) a JCC or a Jewish day school or synagogue where they can give you a specific bibliography . We do not convert people or attempt to act in an evangelical manner so if you just want to find out maybe the easiest thing is to go to one of those places and ask
12:12 AM on 02/18/2012
to KaAp

i feel as though i have offended you. i regret that. i meant no harm. i extend an olive branch to you as a measure of peace and understanding. i don't know much about judaism but i have heard that you believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. it may surprise you to know that I also believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I believe Him to be the originator of all life, especially human. i therefore consider all mankind as belonging to that God, and thus having a kinship of some sort with you and all Humans. you may choose to reject my offer, but I still extend an olive branch of peace, friendship, and hopeful understanding to you.
11:10 PM on 02/18/2012
Get yourself a copy of "Jewish Literature" by Teloshkin (not sure of spelling). This 16"x11" 3" book IS the synopsis. But a briefer redaction from more than 2000 years ago:

"Once a Greek challenged Shammai "Tell me the whole of the Torah while standing on one foot." Shammai pushed him away with his builder's rod. He went to Hillel and made the same challenge. Hillel said, "Do not do to another what you hate to be done to you. That is the whole of the Torah. The rest is just commentary. Now go study. (my paraphrasing of the story)

It is as simple as the four parts of Hillel's statement and as difficult to learn and do in one lifetime as Shammai implied.
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09:20 PM on 02/28/2012
Hysterical! I just told the same parable. To the same poster. Only to scroll down and see Hillel's words before me, right after I hit the post button.
02:40 PM on 02/17/2012
Sign this petition to stop posthumous baptism: https://www.change.org/petitions/the-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints-stop-posthumous-baptism
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KaAp
04:13 PM on 02/17/2012
Thank you ... done ...
10:58 PM on 02/17/2012
in the interest of personal freedom, i must stand with you in refusing to accept baptism for the dead "for those who do not want it'.

i could not support your petition if it insisted that the Church stop baptisms for the dead permanently and for anybody anywhere. but thats not what it reads, and so i can stand by you in this with a clear conscience, instead of hypocrisy. . it is primarily to bring members' familys closer together. not anyones family who does not feel ok with it.

i also point out that members - some mistaken but well-meaning - research genealogy records and submit names. they are, in principle, only supposed to submit names of THEIR own ancestors and other deceased relatives. they are not supposed to go to even a public source and take down names for submission. to do so is not in keeping with LDS Church Protocol