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Proxy Baptism Seekers Eyed Holocaust Survivor Elie Wiesel For Posthumous Mormon Rite

Elie Wiesel

First Posted: 02/14/2012 7:38 am Updated: 02/15/2012 12:46 pm

A researcher who has spent years uncovering the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' controversial practice of posthumous proxy baptisms of Jews -- and of Holocaust victims in particular -- recently discovered that some Mormons had proposed the ritual even for a famous Holocaust survivor still living.

Helen Radkey, a former Mormon who lives in Salt Lake City, discovered on Friday on a genealogy website restricted to Mormons that some individuals had submitted the name of Nobel Peace Prize winner and Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel as "ready" for a posthumous proxy baptism. The names of Wiesel's father, who perished in the Holocaust, and his maternal grandfather had also been proposed for proxy baptism, according to Radkey. By Monday, the records had been changed to read "not available," Radkey said. This discovery comes despite an agreement by the church to stop the ritual of proxy baptisms of Holocaust victims.

On Monday Lyman Kirkland, a spokesman for the Mormon Church, downplayed Radkey's finding. "None of the three names were submitted for baptism and they would not have been under the Church's guidelines and procedures," he wrote via email. "The names were simply entered into a genealogical database. Submission for proxy baptism is a separate process."

"Regarding a name of a living individual on the database, the submitter mistakenly entered information into a field that indicated that individual was deceased. Once it was determined that this person is still living, that name was removed, since we do not include information on living persons in our database."

When asked about Radkey's finding of Wiesel's deceased father's name in the database, Kirkland did not have an explanation. Kirkland said only direct descendants of a deceased individual may submit his or her names for proxy baptism in a temple.

Previous discoveries of proxy baptisms of Jews over the past 18 years have outraged Jewish leaders. Such baptisms are especially problematic since so many Jewish people over the centuries had been forced to convert to Christianity against their will and murdered or expelled from countries when they did not.

Negotiations between Mormon and Jewish leaders led to an agreement in 1995 for the church to stop the posthumous baptism of all Jews, except in the case of direct ancestors of Mormons. After this, Radkey found that members of the Church of Latter-day Saints had failed to adhere to the agreement. A subsequent 2010 pact resulted in a promise by the Mormon Church to at least prevent inappropriate proxy baptism requests for Holocaust victims -- although not of all Jews.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints explains it carries out the practice of proxy baptisms "because all who have lived on the earth have not had the opportunity to be baptized by proper authority during life on earth, baptisms may be performed by proxy, meaning a living person may be baptized in behalf of a deceased person. Baptisms for the dead are performed by Church members in temples throughout the world."

"The person acting as a proxy uses only the name of the deceased," according to the church, leaving the "mortal remains of the deceased" undisturbed. "To prevent duplication the Church keeps a record of the deceased persons who have been baptized."

Just because a name of an individual is submitted for a proxy baptism doesn't mean that the ritual takes place. "Such baptisms can only be performed in special fonts in Mormon Temples," the BBC has reported. "Women act as proxies for women and men for men. There are witnesses present and a proper record is kept, although the ceremony does not make the person for whom the baptism is performed a Mormon."

Radkey also discovered last month in this restricted Mormon database that church members in Utah, Arizona and Idaho had baptized the long-dead parents of famed Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal, whose mother was murdered in the Belzec death camp.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center issued a statement on Thursday, saying it was "outraged that such insensitive actions continue" and that they "make a mockery" of numerous meetings between church and Jewish leaders aimed at ending the "unwanted and unwarranted posthumous baptisms of Jewish Victims of the Nazi Holocaust."

Church officials apologized Monday for the baptisms, calling them "a serious breach of our protocol," according to the Salt Lake Tribune.

The latest revelations come as Mitt Romney's campaign for the Republican presidential nomination and a hit Broadway musical have turned a spotlight on the church, its practices and on the overall beliefs of Mormons, including the practice of posthumous baptisms, for a wide variety of people, not exclusively Jews.

Of course, Wiesel, who was born in 1928, is still very much alive. And at 83, the author of the classic Holocaust memoir "Night," in which he recounts his helplessness as he watched his father die at Buchenwald, is unlikely to appreciate that he is "ready" be baptized after he passes away.

Gary Mokotoff, a prominent Jewish genealogist who took part in the negotiations to halt baptisms with the Mormon Church in 1995, wrote an item in his genealogy newsletter about a meeting to discuss the issue attended by Jewish leaders, including Wiesel, three or four years ago:

"Wiesel was unfamiliar with the controversy. When he heard about the Mormon ritual and that it included Holocaust victims, he had a puzzled look on his face and then uttered something to the effect that there was a simple solution to the problem: 'Let them change their religion.' The suggestion is not as incredulous as some might think. Posthumous baptism of all dead people is not one of the original beliefs of Mormonism. At the start it was limited to ancestors and perhaps close relatives and friends. In 1918, the President of the Church had a revelation that it should be extended to the entire human race. Perhaps it is time for the Church to reevaluate the practice; it is time for another revelation. Nobody has the right to involve other people's families in their religion."

Wiesel did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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04:18 PM on 08/29/2012
I just want to say this, the person who is being baptized still has to accept it, if they dont then there is no baptism. I mean this is just silly that people are in an uproar for something that is being done to give people the option to be right with Our Heavenly Father, whats so bad about that?? I know alot of people dont care about what happens when you die, but have you ever thought, what if its true? What if you never were baptized by any church and were given the opportunity to know Our Heavenly Father?? Who are we as the Living to decide whether or not this person wants to be baptized and feel the warm love of GOD?? I am Christian, I am LDS, I am a GOD Lover, and I feel blessed to have the opportunity to give my ancestors the option to go back home to OUR Heavenly Father.
10:30 AM on 02/21/2012
Reply to Kiwi57:

Your first answer is unpersuasive and another sophistry. If the LDS Church could honestly report it has disciplined church members, the Church would surely have so reported as a part of the statement of defense it released. Reporting the fact that discipline has been imposed would not violate a policy of confidentiality; no disclosure of the identity of those disciplined would be necessary.

Contrary to your implication, the fact is the Church's statement acknowledged the proxy-baptisms are a Church policy (just as your compatriot poster acknowledged the policy is Church ordinance). And, Bishop Romney, who appears to continue in good standing, has acknowledged he has participated in proxy-baptisms.

Your second "reason" is also problematic. If there was a practice of submitting names anonymously (or with the submitter identified), clearly there was a Church policy of approving names submitted. And if, as the Church has claimed, only relatives of the deceased are permitted to propose the deceased for proxy baptism, how could the practice EVER have been conducted on the basis of anonymous or proxy submissions? Any such submission would make it impossible to confirm the submitter is a relative. Like your compatriot's presentation, yours is an attempt to mislead tangled in a web of contradiction.

I appreciated your compliment on the reasonableness of my question, but one cannot help wondering if the LDS Church teaches its members that they are under no obligation to tell the truth to infidels.
02:11 PM on 02/21/2012
@Reasonable Perspective:
"Your first answer is unpersuasi­ve and another sophistry. If the LDS Church could honestly report it has discipline­d church members, the Church would surely have so reported as a part of the statement of defense it released."

If in fact you read what the Church had said, you would discover that the person who submitted the Wiesenthal names has had their submission privileges permanently suspended. There, will that do?

@Reasonable Perspective:
"Contrary to your implicatio­n, the fact is the Church's statement acknowledg­ed the proxy-bapt­isms are a Church policy"

This is "contrary to" something I wrote, is it?

I rather distinctly recall writing:

"Baptism for the Dead is a doctrinall­y-based Church practice. Our Temples are built for the purpose of carrying it out; members are encouraged to make it a priority."

So where do you find my "implication" that is "contrary" to what I *explicitly* said?

@Reasonable Perspective:
"Your second 'reason' is also problemati­c. If there was a practice of submitting names anonymousl­y (or with the submitter identified­), clearly there was a Church policy of approving names submitted."

Yes, there was and is an approval process. The process is not infallible, and does not rely upon anything like an intensive vetting of the submitted names. Around fourteen million such names are submitted every year; the Church does not maintain a large enough staff of people to vet them all. A lot of the process is automated.
06:10 PM on 02/21/2012
The Church deals with people on a basis of trust. The Church publishes the guidelines, and trusts people to adhere to them.

Keeping in mind that the only valid reason to be submitting names is to carry forward a rel igi ous duty.

The security around the process has improved over time; but even today, Family History consultants often log in and submit names on behalf of older or less-computer-literate members. The Church could conceivably choose not to trust people to do the right thing, but that would serve merely to punish the innocent major ity for the mis deeds of a few.

@Reasonable Perspective:
"Like your compatriot's presentation, yours is an attempt to mis lead tangled in a web of contra diction."

"I appreciated your compliment on the reasonableness of my question, but one cannot help wondering if the LDS Church teaches its members that they are under no obligation to tell the truth to in fidels."

I can only conclude that the above is a reflection of your lack of facts. I would suggest you might like to start by accepting the fact that members of the Church who have actually used the system might actually have some relevant knowledge about it.

I await your forthcoming apology.
05:25 PM on 02/20/2012
And now Wiesel has denounced the proxy baptism of Holocaust hero Jan Karski:
http://the-wood-family.org/tom/other-work/karski-book/wiesel-karski-deserves-to-be-left-in-peace/
03:04 PM on 02/21/2012
I read the article. Seems to me that Wood and Wiesel have no ground to stand on here. Neither is a relative of Mr. Karski and he was not Jewish..
Mr. Wood does recognize the salient point that "under LDS doctrine, the soul of the deceased is believed to have the choice of accepting or rejecting the ordinances offered to it".
04:57 PM on 02/21/2012
I agree that they don't have any standing to request anything here. However, unless the person who submitted his name does have such standing, then Wood and Wiesel have just as much right to an opinion on the subject as anyone else.

And I say that as a Lat ter day Sa int who believes in, and defends, the Church's work for the dead.
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haval2
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06:29 PM on 02/18/2012
Mitt...call off your rabid mormon dogs and stop the baptism of Jews, it's odious, disrespectful and vile.
09:39 PM on 02/18/2012
I have already said elsewhere that i believe that those (ANYONE ANYWHERE) who want to avoid baptisms for the dead should not have to be subjected to it.

i agree...how much clearer do i have to make it ?
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KaAp
09:13 PM on 02/19/2012
Then make it so: urge your church to stop this practice and leave the Jewish people alone.
08:31 PM on 02/20/2012
@haval2:
"Mitt...cal­l off your rabid mor mon dogs and stop the baptism of Je ws, it's odious, disrespect­ful and vile."

I've seen one thing "odious, disrespect­ful and vile," and that is you calling Mor mons "rabid dogs."

You want to have a conversation where Mo rm ons will listen? I suggest you try again.
06:27 AM on 02/18/2012
And from the site: http://www.mrm.org/prominent-people-baptized-by-proxy

"According to the Salt Lake Tribune (8/17/91, p.A6) the following have also been baptized Mormon:

Abigail Adams (Wife of US President John Adams)
Louise Adams (Wife of US President John Quincy Adams)
Dwight Eisenhower (US President)
Patrick Henry (American Statesman)
Thomas Kearns (US Senator)
Abraham Lincoln (US President)
Miguel Pro (Catholic Priest)
Paul Revere (American patriot and silversmith)
William Shakespeare (Playwright)
Leo Tolstoy (Russian novelist)

The May 2, 2001 edition of the Mormon-owned Deseret News reported that following people of Jewish descent were also baptized by proxy in Mormon temples. The Simon Wiesenthal Center has asked that several names be taken off LDS records. The following are among that list. (Would a Mormon assume that just because a name has been stricken from the record that the work already done had no effect?)

David Ben Gurion (Israel's first prime minister)
Menachem Begin (Prime minister)
Moshe Dayan (Military hero)
Golda Meir (Prime minister)
Theodore Hertzel (Zionism founder)
Anne Frank and several of her family members (Holocaust victim and autobiographer)
Zacharias Frankel (Father of the Conservative Jewish movement)
Sigmund Freud (Father of psychoanalysis)
Albert Einstein (Scientist)
Marek Edelman* (Leader of Warsaw ghetto uprising)
Leopold Page* (The man who brought the story of Oskar Schindler to the world)"

Saved and "rockin round Heaven all day", with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, even if they didn't want to be.

Gotta love it!
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11:06 AM on 02/18/2012
More like "rockin round planet Kobol all day", according to their theology ...
06:17 AM on 02/18/2012
Maybe the Mormons' Baptism of Wiesenthal is an attempt to be "balanced". [as it were]

According to many sources the London Temple baptized Hitler.

http://www.mrm.org/prominent-people-baptized-by-proxy

"...who was baptized and endowed by proxy on December 10, 1993 and sealed to his parents (Alois Hitler and Klara Poelzl) on March 12, 1994; all of which took place in the London LDS temple."
12:20 AM on 02/18/2012
Freedom of religion says the Mormons are allowed to do this.
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KaAp
01:11 PM on 02/18/2012
Like freedom of speech or any other freedom there ought to be boundaries. When your freedom imposes itself on others ... then there are restrictions and caveats ...
Besides there are several mediated agreements which have consistently been violated ... I would love to see a class action suit taken out ...
Freedom of anything is not absolute
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KaAp
06:25 PM on 02/18/2012
Freedom is something that does not occur without certain restraints. As much as other freedoms occur within parameters ... this ought to as well ...
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Wonder Woman2
Whats a micro-bio?
12:59 PM on 02/17/2012
This is really a stupid idea Mormon Church.
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haval2
what to say?
06:34 PM on 02/18/2012
some christians ... haters, being begged to stop this odious practice ...not quite Jesus like. what say you Mitt, big man of the church.
TomMartin
Freedom and equality.
07:52 AM on 02/17/2012
The LDS church hierarchy cares more about friendly relations with Jews than about the fate of souls of dead people. Otherwise they would have insisted on baptizing any dead person they know of. After all their doctrine does not say that the dead person becomes automatically saved, the soul has to accept the baptism first. But without the baptism, many souls are believers but not saved yet, still waiting for baptism in vain, based on their doctrine. So they believe that the other souls will be baptized during the future millennium. The doctrine is silly anyway, it depends how lucky the dead person is, whether somebody is baptized for him/her. But at least they should follow their doctrine and not compromise.
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KaAp
12:09 PM on 02/17/2012
Well you have ruined those friendly relations with every person I know (I am from a J e wish family in a J e wish neighborhood) and we remain livid. And, will do everything we can to make sure our families are no longer necro-dunked
TomMartin
Freedom and equality.
05:52 PM on 02/17/2012
I am not a Mormon or member of any other church that does proxy baptisms. I am not even Christian, and consider baptisms to be surely useless. But they do it out of love. So no wonder they baptize mainly ancestors, they love ancestors more than non-relatives, that is human nature, even though the New Testament claims Jesus told them to love even their enemies. But as a Jew you can consider those baptisms as invalid, and if you believe in life after death, you can feel happy that your ancestors are happy as Jews in heaven and not Mormons. After all, as a Jew you don't consider baptisms to have any spiritual value, so you can consider them as useless. Even Catholics consider Mormon baptisms as useless, and require converts to Catholicism to be rebaptized, while they believe that Protestant and Eastern Orthodox baptisms are valid to forgive past sins, so converts from those faiths are not rebaptized, but only undergo confirmation.
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KaAp
02:25 AM on 02/17/2012
Who are the latest people to be necro-dunked find out here http://famousdeadmormons.com/index.php
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KaAp
12:43 AM on 02/17/2012
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-last-word/46407233/#null Interview with Mr Wiesel .... this story is getting press maybe if the "church" is finally completely embarrassed or pressured they will stop this
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/mormon_explainer_1/2012/02/mormons_baptize_wiesenthals_is_there_a_way_to_stop_baptism_by_proxy_.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/15/local/la-me-0215-mormon-baptism-20120215

All over the world the reactions are beginning to come in perhaps they will finally be pressured to leave our families alone ...
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Ken Roberts
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01:57 AM on 02/17/2012
We can only hope. I'm not overly optimistic.
06:58 PM on 02/16/2012
Rather an insult to Weisel, but he has experienced much worst. Just a silly ritual that can cause consternation for others in another religious organization. Get out of others peoples' religions! Pay attention to your own and yours.
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05:33 PM on 02/16/2012
Caption suggestion; "Can You Believe I Was Once A Little Baby ? "
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mrJJ
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05:19 PM on 02/16/2012
FlashBack

President’s Late Mother Improperly, Posthumously, Baptized as a Mormon

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints confirmed Tuesday afternoon that someone improperly, posthumously baptized the late mother of President Obama into the Mormon faith.
Last June 4 — the day after then-Sen. Obama secured enough delegates to win the Democratic presidential nominee — someone had the president’s mother Stanley Ann Dunham, who died in 1995 of cancer, baptized.
On June 11, she received the endowment.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/05/presidents-late/
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KaAp
12:33 AM on 02/17/2012
They have no sense of boundary only sanctimony and hubris ... I am glad these stories are finally seeing the light of day ...
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Lefty08
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02:25 PM on 02/16/2012
There is a new religion being formed by the GLBT community....part of our dogma says that if you're not baptized in our church, you will not get into heaven after you die. With this in mind, we are researching all the obits in Salt Lake City for the last 50 years (to start) and will baptize all these folks posthumously in our church. Alot of the people were probably closeted and in recognition of their true nature, and by baptizing them in our church, they will now get to see the pearly gates. God has spoken to us, and she really wants us to do this.
06:59 PM on 02/16/2012
Great stuff!
10:30 PM on 02/16/2012
Have fun.
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Lefty08
but I bat the right
12:31 AM on 02/17/2012
It's a mission.