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Ivy League: 'Why I Care About Getting A Good Education -- NOT Going To A Big-Name School'

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  First Posted: 02/15/2012 10:36 am Updated: 02/15/2012 2:58 pm

This is a teen-written article from The Saxon Scope, the student-run newspaper of Langley High School in McLean, Virginia.

A “good college” should be the school that is the best fit for the individual. It should be the place where the student who attends it feels it is a good match, and where the education the student gets drives the student to be his or her best. There are plenty of schools available to us that fit these requirements. Thousands of colleges throughout the country offer promising educational opportunities and positive environments. Any one of these schools could allow us to develop our abilities to their full potential. Unfortunately, at Langley, this truth often gets forgotten amidst the hype over college reputation.

It’s dangerous when we place so much emphasis on the reputation of the colleges we’re attending. Students shouldn’t get less attention because they’ve committed to a school that doesn’t have as prestigious a name, and other students shouldn’t get special attention simply because they’ve committed to an Ivy League or other esteemed university.

The college a student attends is rarely a direct indicator of the student’s intelligence, ability to work hard, or likelihood to succeed later in life. Still, “ACCEPTED TO UVA!” would get more likes on Facebook than, say, “Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Class of 2016!!” Teachers lead classrooms in rounds of applause for the students who got into University of North Carolina, but tend to forget about the students who got into Longwood College. That’s not to take away from the merit of Longwood or Rensselaer -- it’s simply an indicator of the perceived importance of fame and reputation.

What’s even more concerning is that fame and reputation are often misleading. Status does not mean as much as we think it does. Take the list Kiplinger’s Personal Finance just came out with. The magazine ranked the top 100 best values in public colleges. Rankings were based on cost, student indebtedness, competitiveness, and academic support. Many of the rankings were surprising. University of Delaware ranked 25th and James Madison University ranked 28th, above Virginia Tech which came in at number 32. George Mason was listed as number 50, above Penn State, University of South Carolina, and College of Charleston.

Or take the book Harvard Schmarvard. Written by Jay Matthews, it dispels the notion that, “the higher-profile school, the better.” Matthews, an actual Harvard grad, references a study by Stacy Dale, who found no difference in earnings between those students who had gone to Ivy League schools and those who had been accepted at those schools but chosen to go elsewhere.

We base the likelihood of success in the years beyond high school on the reputation of the colleges we attend. It’s become about the name brand of the college, rather than the education we get. But our chances at finding fulfillment in life have nothing to do with the university we attend. Whether you have an Ivy League diploma framed on your wall, or a certificate from that school no one has ever heard of, it’s up to the individual to make the most of the opportunities they are given, work hard, and pursue their goals. Remember, you don’t have to be extraordinarily smart, just “smart enough” -- Outliers anyone? -- so you get what you make of the college experience.

To celebrate one certain acceptance more than another adds unnecessary stress to both parties. The students who graduate from the more impressive schools are pressured to continue to have equally impressive accomplishments. On the other hand, students that don’t graduate from a big-name school are sold short. If you graduate from Harvard and don’t grow up to be the Attorney General or a CEO, people assume there’s something wrong with you. At the same time, if, with your certificate from the University of Western Cape, you become the next Bill Gates, society just figures Lady Luck decided to smile on you.

We’re not celebrating learning anymore when we worship the name-brand colleges. We’re celebrating the destination, not the journey. And it’s not that I’m just venting. In fact, I haven’t even heard back from most of my top choice schools so as of yet, I don’t have much to be bitter about. However, when I do make my final college decision, I am going to try to leave the name brand out of the equation. Because the fact is, we all have the capability to do great things and this capability is in no way correlated to what school we get our degree from.

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This is a teen-written article from The Saxon Scope, the student-run newspaper of Langley High School in McLean, Virginia. A “good college” should be the school that is the best fit for the in...
This is a teen-written article from The Saxon Scope, the student-run newspaper of Langley High School in McLean, Virginia. A “good college” should be the school that is the best fit for the in...
 
 
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09:56 PM on 02/20/2012
it's not the education that you pay extra for. it's the connections/contacts. but in my opinion, if you didn't get into harvard, yale brown etc. don't bother with the other expensive private schools. i don't think the hefty student loan debt justifies it. when it comes down to networking, there's old money ivy and there's everything else.
09:17 PM on 02/20/2012
I would agree that there many excellent universities and colleges where you can benefit from an excellent education comparable to an Ivy/highly selective school. What you CAN'T get at these schools you are the opportunities for internships, summer jobs and contacts that you have with a top tier school. My goddaughter is MIT Class of 2013. Is currently spending year abroad at Cambridge University. Had a choice of summer paid internships in Beijing or Rolls Royce, Derbyshire, England. Last summer she had a choice of 4 paid internships in her field (engineering). Her friend, Notre Dame 2012, English Major has had amazing paid summer internships at top newspapers and last summer at NBC in NYC. My son is not going to get those kind of opportunities at Loch Haven or even Penn State.
08:43 PM on 02/20/2012
I could have gone to Ivy League schools for both my undergraduate and graduate degrees, but could not afford it for my undergraduate and had to choose a school close to home for my graduate degree after my marriage. I am retired, but absolutely NEVER felt at a disadvantage educationally and frequently competed successfully against graduates of schools with big reputations--they tended to assume their superiority because of their education and were not as careful and dedicated in their research and work habits. Besides that, my undergraduate years in a religious school were among the happiest and most productive years of my life. After graduate school, which agains was a happy experience, I passed my professional exam with flying colors. This student shows remarkable maturity. If you go to school to get an education and act accordingly, you will do well.
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08:27 PM on 02/20/2012
Hi-- too bad we don't know your name, because I would look for you in future as an author. Really well written piece. I tend to agree with most of the commenters who say the big names matter most as graduate students, not undergrad? And that it would depend on your choice of field. Just a shot in the dark, but if you're considering a career as a writer, isn't there a school with a famous program in Iowa? I think it's Iowa. I absolutely agree that there is no need to spend huge amounts of money (barring winning a scholarship) on a 'name' when you are just starting out. Go for the best education you can find, that suits your interests. Good luck!
08:01 PM on 02/20/2012
Geeze Louise! Now you tell me....in my son's last semester at Yale.
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01:31 AM on 02/21/2012
LOL You are fine. I went to Yale and am doing well.
06:51 PM on 02/20/2012
Want to solve the college expense problem? Its very simple just add two more years on to high school extending it to grade 14. College will now be only an affordable two year course. All study course books should be electronic and on CD. geeeeee wizzzz, I guess I should run for president.
10:49 PM on 02/20/2012
And I am of another opinion. High school goes on way too long. Three years should be sufficient. Let kids leave after 11th grade and move on to a community college. My daughter did this and it was the best thing we ever did for her.
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06:33 PM on 02/20/2012
"The college a student attends is rarely a direct indicator of the student’s intelligence, ability to work hard, or likelihood to succeed later in life."
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The same could be said for a degree period. But for the average person, listing a degree on your resume is likely to get you an interview over the next guy with similar experience and no degree.
08:11 PM on 02/20/2012
And to many business interviewers the name of the college granting the degree is many times the deciding factor in employment' perhaps too many times.
08:18 PM on 02/20/2012
..., and if your resume reads that you graduated from Harvard vs Southdewdust State you're more likely to get that interview.
10:50 PM on 02/20/2012
Unless the interviewer also went to Southdewdust.
06:33 PM on 02/20/2012
I worked with a couple of older men in the 70s from RPI. Used to be a co-op school. Engineers were great and ok to work with unlike the few Ivy Leaguers we had. Lots of PHDs in engineering where I worked from all over the country. Many from Iowa and TX. All different. One of the smartest by consensus went to Purdue, young PHD at 25. He said it was easy as his father was a professor there. Sure it was. He won a prestigious company award. Our other local winner grew up in an ag community in our central Valley and had an MS from a State School there. Someone said wow, what he could have done if he had gone to an elite school. Our Pres said he did enough. The elite school might have ruined him for doing "normal" things. 75 now and the company kept calling him back for consulting until he stopped 3 years ago!!!! Never know, just have the kids be as prepared as they can be and major in something they truly enjoy.
05:35 PM on 02/20/2012
The rankings seem to be what engineers call data-free analyses. Probably they correlate with the quality of the dinner the visiting evaluators were treated to. Happily, Wall Street Journal has done a proof-of-the-pudding ranking, based solely on the question of which schools produce the graduates most favored by corporate recruiters. Penn State came out as number one, and three of the top five were Big Ten schools. Any questions?
02:25 PM on 02/20/2012
Ivy's open doors to jobs especially Harvard, Yale and Georgetown.
03:48 PM on 02/20/2012
Georgetown is not an Ivy League school.
06:36 PM on 02/20/2012
Not even close...
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03:53 PM on 02/20/2012
i was going to say the same thing. the connections you make there will open doors for the rest of your life.
06:34 PM on 02/20/2012
That's what they tell me but Californians who graduated from Harvard don't see it. After the mess the MBAs from Harvard, Wharton, Yale, etc have made of the economy, maybe it's time to NOT recruit from there. Obviously something is missing. Then there are the lawyers!!!
02:14 PM on 02/20/2012
Americans are very fortunate with respect to their multiple choices for college. Truth is that almost any college or university anywhere can offer a highly respectable education. The faculty everywhere is capable of providing first-class undergraduate training. I typically recommend smaller colleages to persons who seek my advice even though I taught for a quarter century at the Univ. of So. Calif. For graduate degrees, it is a different story. Then a reputation for excellence is important. Ed
02:13 PM on 02/20/2012
If the student has access to full professors in order to learn in the major selected, the cost of the "highly rated" schools is probably justifiable. If access is to subordinates, save your money and find a school that offers better access.

If the goal is to get into a click of the wealthy, then definitely go to the ivy schools, if you can congruent with the ethnic and religious types that comprize these clicks.
01:40 PM on 02/20/2012
Dubya graduated from Yale, enough said!
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06:27 PM on 02/20/2012
Your point is you can be a president if you graduate Yale?
10:10 PM on 02/20/2012
The point is that one can go to an Ivy League school and still be stupid. W got in cuz of his daddy's name, I would bet.
06:36 PM on 02/20/2012
So did John Kerry. Hillary, Bubba.

Enough said that BO went to Harvard. Harvard kicked out Ted Kennedy for cheating, he went to VA for law school. He got back in Harvard for something.

You might check and see where Dubya got his masters from.
08:15 PM on 02/20/2012
So Ted got back into Harvard for something.....maybe $100,000?
12:52 PM on 02/20/2012
I could not agree more. I am a proud alumni of Washington State University. Upon graduation not one perspective employer was concerned about where I graduated from as much as the fact that I set a goal and obtained it. My alma mater and the accademic and social enviornment as well as my fraternity experience it provided me served me very, very well all of my life.
09:52 PM on 02/20/2012
You have it right. All college graduates should have the same attitude - the degree means you set a goal and achieved it. Proud to be a Houston Cougar (BBA) and a United States Naval Post-Graduate School Graduate (MS-MGT).
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01:33 AM on 02/21/2012
That is nice. I went to Yale and the companies I applied to definitely cared where I went to school.
12:35 PM on 02/20/2012
Watched a yale graduate last night on "are you smarter than a 5th grader". He did not know the last federal holiday at the end of every calender year. Thankgiving? really?? the 5th grader as well as my 3rd and 4th graders at home knew it was christmas. He also incorrectly stated that wyoming borders bot utah and kansas. it colorado. This guy was a doctor. Good thing he is not teaching my children at school! This guy stated he scored perfect on the SAT. Intelligence never wins out over common sense!
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01:29 PM on 02/20/2012
...'COMMON sense'? Wasn't that banned in the USA in 1974??
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Indy thats never voted a str8 tkt
04:48 PM on 02/20/2012
Lets see..he's on tv and he's a dr that makes 6 figuires a yr.....how didnt he win out?