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Payroll Tax Cut: Tom Harkin Slams President, Democrats For Risking Social Security (VIDEO)

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First Posted: 02/17/2012 11:12 am Updated: 02/20/2012 3:47 pm

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Tom Harkin slammed his own president and party for hatching the payroll tax cut deal that is expected to pass Congress Friday, saying he's "embarrassed" the Democrats are pushing a measure that begins the "unravelling of Social Security."

The bill will extend a 2 percent break in the tax that goes to fund Social Security for the rest of 2012, saving families $1,000 on average.

That lost revenue will be replaced in the Social Security trust fund from the nation's general tax collections, but the plan has attracted opposition from both the left and right on grounds that it sets a bad precedent and adds the $100 billion cost to the deficit.

Harkin (D-Iowa), who has long been a staunch defender of Social Security, hammered it as the beginning of the end for the program.

"This Congress will be making a grave mistake -- a grave mistake -- and reinforcing a dangerous precedent," Harkin said in a dramatic Senate floor speech late Thursday. "And I’m dismayed that Democrats, including a Democratic president and a Democratic vice president, have proposed this, and are willing to sign off on a deal that could begin the unraveling of Social Security."

Harkin argued that Social Security had always been strong and protected because it was funded by its own dedicated tax stream that ensured every American would be guaranteed a basic income in their retirements, and that the program added not "even one dime to the deficits or the national debt."

But he said now that Congress was going to pay for this cut with borrowed money from the general treasury funds, the best argument of the program's defenders was gone.

"With this bill, we can no longer say that. We can no longer say that Social Security doesn't contribute to the deficit," Harkin said.

He argued that a far better plan would have been to simply grant working Americans rebates on their income taxes, the way Presidents Obama and George W. Bush had done in recent years.

Hauling Social Security into the equation, he said, betrays the legacy of Democratic presidents who started the program and strengthened it over the years, from Franklin Roosevelt to John Kennedy.

"This, I believe has been the hallmark and the underpinning of the party that I've been proud to belong to," Harkin said. "Cutting the payroll tax is a bad idea, terrible idea. I'm embarrassed that it's being proposed by a Democratic president and a Democratic vice president."

Several other Democratic senators, including West Virginia's Joe Manchin and Virginia's Mark Warner, along with Vermont Independent Bernie Sanders, were expected to oppose the bill on similar grounds. A substantial number of Republicans were also expected to balk at the deficit spending and vote against the legislation as well. Nevertheless, it was expected to pass Friday afternoon by a comfortable margin.

The bill extends unemployment benefits for the rest of the year, while reducing their maximum duration from 99 weeks to 73. It also plugs a hole in the law that would have dramatically cut the payments doctors receive from Medicare.

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Janet Anderson
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04:00 AM on 02/19/2012
As stated when the 1st payroll tax cut was authorized and again stated by Secretary Geitner at the latest meetings, as seen on C-Span, by LAW, any shortage of SS money, as in the payroll tax cut, will be made up from the GENERAL FUND. So, the difference will be replaced. Does not anyone keep up with the FACTS???? There is no shortage. It really irks me when even our elected officials are ignorant to the facts and LAWS....
09:04 AM on 02/19/2012
There is no shortage to SS as the lost payroll tax funds are being replaced by general revenue funds. The problem is that now Social Security is funded in part by general revenue. And what will happen if the tax holiday is extended but the shortfall is not, as many Republicans would want to have happen in order to defund SS? The mixing of payroll taxes and general revenues into the Social Security Trust Fund is a bad idea. A much better idea would have been a temporary reduction in federal taxes, but even that would short government revenues.

So, no, our elected officials are not ignorant when it comes to the funding of Social Security. Misguided, yes.

It is only unemployment insurance that is deficit spending.
09:43 AM on 02/19/2012
Nothing good can come of them paying Social Security out of the general fund. Why didn't they cut federal income tax withdrawals in paychecks instead of Social Security taxes.

Obama will not be in office when it comes time to pay Social Security back.

Even though they will be paying a debt to Social Security, the neocons and Social Security haters will scream they have to pay too much to fund Social Security, even though it is a debt.

Our whole government needs to be replaced. The way our voting has been set up we are offered a choice between bad and worse.

Obama needs to be primaried. For awhile I thought he was going to act like a Democrat then he rushes out with this idiotic deal knowing the republicans won't pay it back.
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liberalntex
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01:50 AM on 02/19/2012
The reason why the GOP supported it is because it will hurt SS.

I can't believe the Middle Class is going away before I very eyes and with the help of the Democrats.

That is why I still don't support Obama's 2012 efforts because he wants to help the GOP get rid of SS and Medicare.

LIBERALS WE NEED TO FIGHT THE PRESIDENT DURING THIS ELECTION CYCLE: LEAVE OUR SS AND MEDICARE ALONE YOU CONSERVATIVE IN LIBERAL SHEEPS SKIN !!
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tklinecrew
Life is hard. Get over it
05:42 PM on 02/18/2012
Curious times we are in.... The GOP is learning that cooperation is an important part of politics and the Dems are learning that not everything they want is a good idea.... There MIGHT be hope for America
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WorkinClassDog
Are you going to investigate? or just take the gui
04:05 PM on 02/18/2012
When GDP gets over 3.2 percent and unemployment gets down to 6.5 percent the Senator Harkin it will be time to lift the cap on wages and subject to FICA. I hope you'll support this at the appropriate time senator and work to persuade your colleagues to do so as well.
Nm123
think twice...it's not alright
01:59 PM on 02/18/2012
Know this is confusing issue and does not get much clearer when you google this....however according to these links SSA.gov, snopes, firedoglake, and several HuffPo articles there has never been a move to replace the lost payroll taxes to SS fund from the general fund. President Obama is the first one to do this. There are differing opinions from Krugman, Ezra Klein...for it.. will cause no damage. Harkin, Howard Dean are against it... as it is seen as chipping away at SS protection for "borrowing" from the general fund. SS is funded by payroll taxes and backed by Treasury bonds..this is the firewall . This has nothing to do with the SS fund being raided over the years for various situations. It has to do with this new funding mechanism of replacing lost funds from SS payroll tax cuts from the general fund. BTW I still support Obama.....just questioning this issue.
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be practical
I'll Never Understand the GOP Mind
11:10 AM on 02/18/2012
If Sen. Hawkin feels this strongly then maybe he should put his anger behind ending the bushman tax cuts for those making over 1M a year, or better yet those making 500K, and maybe ending the separate tax classification of capital gains. There are ways to help the middle class workers that wouldn't add to the deficit.
11:06 AM on 02/18/2012
Thank you Senator Harkin for a common sense evaluation of what's happening to dismantle SS. This is one of the truly commendable firsts I've seen from the left: admitting that Obama can make a mistake. It's tragic that the SS funds have been shamelessly plundered by the establishment, who, by the way, are having their own pockets lined by ridiculously exorbitant salaries and perks they themselves voted into being. Disgraceful and unethical. Yet legal. Tells us something about the "establishment." Few of these same politicians have little authentic regard for us, the underlings who paid into the SS fund all through the years. I'm appalled at the vulgarity of it all. Thanks again, Senator Harkin for your concern. You have obviously stopped drinking the Kool Aid.
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devlinld
Recognize Nonsense, React to Solution
10:14 AM on 02/18/2012
He has a good point.
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TedEjr
How can they be Right when they are wrong so much
11:07 AM on 02/18/2012
I disagree.

SS is solvent. And this is one program that pols simply don't have the courage to end. Cut around the edges, yes. End no.

They will find a way to keep the money flowing.

What is a mess is our tax system.
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devlinld
Recognize Nonsense, React to Solution
11:17 AM on 02/18/2012
Thanks for your encouraging comment.
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Alux
Pull the Wool Over Your Own Eyes!
01:03 PM on 02/18/2012
If SS is so solvent, then why was the POTUS himself saying that SS payments could NOT be guaranteed if Congress did not raise the debt limit last time?

Having to borrow money before SS payments can be made sounds to me like a pension system that is totally insolvent.

I agree. however, that the tax system is a mess. Only the private sector cretins pay taxes (and about half of us don't pay anything at all). Government workers seem to find ways not to pay their fair share, like by simply NOT paying:

- 36 Obama aides owe $833,000 in back taxes.
- Over 279,000 federal workers and retirees owed more than $3.4 billion in back income taxes in 2010, an amount that has risen every year since President Obama took office.

(Before the Axelrod/Media Matters troops start alleging I am making this up, try a quick Google search looking only at MSM sources - every single figure is well reported, even by HuffPo itself)

Let's hope that Obama's slogan of Pay Their Fair Share will extend to government employee taxcheats.

Either SS is solvent and President Obama was lying during the last debt limit crisis, or SS is just a ponzi scheme and any one not receiving benefits now, like me, is the sucker.

Please give me credible evidence which it is.
10:10 AM on 02/18/2012
I have a lot of trust in Nancy Peloski and she strongly wanted the payroll tax cut. It is a way to stimulate the economy, maybe. I don't know 'how' or 'when' they can pay it back.

There are not near as many boomers retiring as they estimated. Many can't afford to and others don't want to. Those who work after they turn 66 or 67 can draw Social Security and work both.

One thing we should not let them forget is that we would have had to have more pay for our working in order to save for our retirement.

The money in Social Security belongs to all who pay into it.
09:35 PM on 02/17/2012
Ha! My grandfather told me he collected in the first two years of his retirement at age 62 everything he and his employer had contributed. Of course it was at a time when contributions were much smaller, but if you collect all your pay-ins by age 64 and live until age 95 (which he did) it's obvious the program cannot at all times be 100% funded by SS taxes. This is just another attack on fiscal policy which will never be exactly what anyone wants. The dems at least should keep their mouths shut if they don't like it. This is a blip, and they happen. The GOP would make it far worse, as anyone who's been paying attention should know.
10:45 AM on 02/18/2012
The way benefits are calculated is they divide your highest earnings by 35. If you have worked 30 years and earned high pay, but then you didn't earn anything for 5 years, you won't get as high amount as if you had worked 35 years. They do other figuring but that is the base. They figure according to inflation, too.

When Social Security first started, there were some who didn't pay in long but received benefit checks.

At one time they switched the railroad pension to Social Security, so a person could work for the railroad then another job and draw some Social Security.

Your grandfather should have figured for inflation. What he received those 2 years may have been equivalent to what he paid in plus inflation. If you live to be 95 you will still get your benefits.

When we foresee real problems in Social Security we fix them. We have paid in extra since 1983 and have gradually moved the full retirement age to 67 because of the boomers retiring which would have been too much for the workers to pay. In one way we paid for our own retirement.
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Janet Anderson
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04:11 AM on 02/19/2012
"Paid for our own retirement" is SO true but most people don't realize it. People working now are paying for those collecting now. And people working later will pay for the people working now. This is how it works and is supposed to work. HOWEVER, Reagan doubled the tax and so in essence we collecting now DID pay for our own retirement so there should be plenty funds HOWEVER, the cap needs to be lifted and a means test should be done if you have made over 500,000 a yr during your life, regardless if it is with earnings or capital gains...if you are financially secure and have no need for SS then you shouldn't get it.
09:28 AM on 02/19/2012
Think of Social Security as an insurance program.
05:33 PM on 02/17/2012
Why arn't the progressives here defending this action by their president??
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Janet Anderson
independent andy
04:27 AM on 02/19/2012
desperate times means desperate measures ...and concentrating on the "here and now" not 20 yrs from now. People are struggling TODAY, people are hungry TODAY, people are homeless TODAY, people are jobless TODAY, people need help to ride this horrific wave of poverty TODAY.
When times are better we will all pull together (including the rich even though they will be kicking and screaming), pay a little more in taxes and fill the gaps. Is this defense enough?
05:21 PM on 02/17/2012
Democrats ran a commercial showing Republicans throwing granny over the cliff, they retrived her and have thrown her under the bus.
05:51 PM on 02/17/2012
Good one kent4620. F/F
05:15 PM on 02/17/2012
Social Security has been tapped for the General Fund for decades. What's the big problem with using general funds to fund a general stimulus instead of using social security to deceptively fund lower taxes--for a change.
09:26 AM on 02/19/2012
Social Security has not been "tapped", unless you think that the purchase of U.S. Treasury Bonds results in lost money.
05:11 PM on 02/17/2012
Democrats taking the food out of granny's mouth.
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Janet Anderson
independent andy
04:29 AM on 02/19/2012
it's the republicans that are trying to take the food and lets not forget healthcare from granny. Stick to the facts.
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mothra666
sdrawkcab si oib-orcim yM
05:37 AM on 02/19/2012
repeating your stupid statement ad nauseum doesn't make it true.
05:03 PM on 02/17/2012
It's great to see Tom Harkin spit out the Obama Kool Aid.
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mothra666
sdrawkcab si oib-orcim yM
05:37 AM on 02/19/2012
waaah waaaah