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Jane Spahr, Lesbian Presbyterian Minister's Rebuke To Be Reviewed

Jane Spahr

First Posted: 02/17/2012 8:32 am Updated: 02/18/2012 11:56 pm


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By Ronnie Cohen

SAN ANTONIO, Feb 17 (Reuters) - A lesbian minister rebuked by the U.S. Presbyterian Church for blessing gay weddings in California urged the denomination's highest court on Friday to lift the censure, as her lawyers argued that nothing in church law bars ministers from performing same-sex nuptials.

The ecclesiastical appeal for the Rev. Jane Spahr, a 69-year-old San Francisco grandmother, caps the latest of her decades-long series of conflicts with church authorities over greater acceptance of homosexuality in her Christian faith.

The case highlights deep divisions within the U.S. church and its 2 million members, as well as among clergy from other denominations who are increasingly being asked to solemnize gay and lesbian weddings.

Spahr embraced the prosecutor ahead of the hearing in a San Antonio hotel, where her lawyers implored the court to change the course of history for the church.

"I pray for the court, the couples, the families and the church that the decision made will be one of justice and love," Spahr told Reuters after the hearing, wearing a black suit with a knee-length jacket she wears when she performs weddings.

The court must decide whether to uphold Spahr's 2010 censure, a symbolic reprimand that carries no concrete consequence, for defying the church by officiating at the nuptials of 16 same-sex couples in California.

Spahr's appeal came as secular support for gay marriage gains favor in federal court and in the legislatures of several states, including Washington and New Jersey. Maryland's House of Representatives voted to allow same-sex marriage on Friday in legislation widely expected to gain Senate approval as well.

Ordained in 1974 two years before realizing she was a lesbian, Spahr made headlines in 1992 when she became the first openly gay minister called to a Presbyterian congregation.

Church courts denied her a Rochester, New York, parish because of her sexual orientation, and she went on to minister to gays and lesbians as a traveling evangelist.


'WE DO HAVE BOUNDARIES'

Prosecutor JoAn Blackstone, a retired lawyer and church elder who considers Spahr a friend but charged her with violating church law, sat alone at the hearing. A seat reserved for the complainant, an anonymous church member, remained empty.

"We do have boundaries," she told the commission as she urged them to uphold the censure, citing a 2008 decision that allowed ministers to bless same-sex unions without representing them as marriage. "We do have rules."

Blackstone said change would best come from the church's legislative body, due to meet in Pittsburgh in July.

"I think about our whole church, how this has divided our church. We must go through the proper process to bring about change," she said. "We have to recognize we're dealing with a denomination that has passionate convictions that are at odds with one another."

The church last spring formally opened the ranks of its clergy to homosexuals, prompting Presbyterians opposed to gay clergy to announce they were leaving the denomination to form a new church, the Evangelical Covenant Order of Presbyterians.

The nuptials Spahr presided over were among some 18,000 gay weddings performed and legally recognized in California during a six-month window in 2008, after the state Supreme Court struck down a ban on same-sex matrimony but before voters approved a state constitutional amendment reinstating the ban.

In a hearing room packed with about 100 of Spahr's supporters and eight of the homosexual couples she married in 2008, Sara Taylor, one of Spahr's attorneys, choked up as she told the commission what legal marriage meant for the couples.

"For Lisa Bove and Renna Killen, it meant that when their kids went to school, their parents were married," Taylor said. "For Annie Steinberg-Behrman and Victoria Steinberg-Behrman, it means that they now share the same last names and that they are just as exactly as married as everyone else.

"It pains me to say that it is our society that recognizes that, and our church refuses. This church, who has been in the forefront of social issues, has refused to lead."

A ruling by the General Assembly Permanent Judicial Commission, comprised of 15 ministers and elders representing church bodies from across the country, was expected on Tuesday. (Editing by Cynthia Johnston and Daniel Trotta)

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JBaker
fictio cedit veritati
09:18 PM on 02/22/2012
Troubling days in the doll house.
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Willie12345
10:44 AM on 02/22/2012
Let the Presbyterians handle this in their own way. It's their church, not mine and probable not yours.
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06:14 PM on 02/20/2012
Isn't this precisely the Christian equivalent of a Sharia court?
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phal4875
The world is run by cats; we just feed them.
06:03 PM on 02/20/2012
With the many problems the world faces, it is remarkable that we still have discussions about sexual orientation. Does the God who might have created a universe - or maybe many universes - really seem likely to care about whom some human loves? If my wife is named Susan, for example, does it matter whether my name is Jane or John? How does that change the world?

Don't say children come from "straight" marriages because that is not always true. Would anyone prohibit marriages of straight people if they cannot or will not have children? Anyone but Rick Santorum, that is.
04:35 PM on 02/20/2012
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Timothy 2:12

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Corinthians 14:34
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phal4875
The world is run by cats; we just feed them.
06:07 PM on 02/20/2012
The Apostle Paul was a proponent of both passages. He also said that the hierarchy of the universe is God - Jesus - man - woman. Paul disliked both homosexuality and heterosexuality (he was celibate and recommended it for all). He completely hijacked the religion of the Jewish Christ and made it into a new religion.
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StevenM
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04:14 AM on 02/20/2012
In the major social movements in the last two centuries, including Abolition of Slavery, Woman’s Suffrage, Civil Rights, Woman’s Equal Rights, and Gay Marriage, there have been conservative Christians fighting against progress as well as liberal Christians fighting for progress. For example, the second largest Christian group in the US (after the Roman Church), the Southern Baptist Convention [SBC], became a separate denomination in 1845 following a regional split with northern Baptists over the issues of slavery. The SBC supported slavery, claiming that the Bible justified slavery; then they supported Jim Crow laws and segregation; they fought against federal lynching laws, desegregation and civil rights. In the 1940s, most conservative Christians were Democrats, but as the Democratic Party embraced civil rights, many conservative Christians switched parties from the Democrats to the Republicans, thus making the Republican Party the party of conservative Christians, a direct result of their thinly veiled racism. Today most mainline Protestant Churches are ordaining those in same-sex relationships, and claim that homosexuality is not a sin. Thanks to the pioneering efforts of those like Rev. Jane Spahr, the Holy Spirit is leading the mainline Churches out of the darkness into the light.
11:30 PM on 02/21/2012
The light to which you refer may just be the eternal fire no one wants to see.
08:39 AM on 02/19/2012
To every denomination on the face of the earth, let's read what God says concerning who is to be an overseer (pastor) of His church. 1 Tim: 3: 1-7 and Titus 1: 5-9 and then you decide who is telling the truth.

You can follow what God (who cannot lie) says or you can follow deceit. Jesus warned his followers with this statement: Watch out that no one deceives you!

You choose this day whom you want to follow.
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StevenM
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09:30 AM on 02/19/2012
Re: "let's read what God says concerning who is to be an overseer (pastor) of His church. 1 Tim: 3: 1-7 and Titus 1: 5-9 ..."

You must be reading the wrong Bible. Because in the Bible 1 Timothy and Titus were not written by God, but are attributed to a person by the name of Paul.
04:26 PM on 02/19/2012
Did you read them? If so, please read: John 8-47
12:41 PM on 02/19/2012
So...in other words, let's hear it for slavery, stoning disobedience children and wives because "the Bible tells me so." Pastors and all others are called to read Scripture in its entirety and interpret the text in light of the rule of Love. Without the continuing guidance of the Holy Spirit and the freedom and responsibility to read Scripture for ourselves, not only would no one qualify according to the text cited here but the brutality and violence of rigtheousness would go unchecked. NOTHING would ever have changed. We need to stop using Scripture when it says what supports our own claims to rigtheousness, and look to the Bible as witness to the living Word of God. As the old hymn says "new occasions teach new duties." As for deceit and the deceiver, the greatest is the self-deciet of the "righteous." Jesus called it what it was again and again and again. Be gracious with others; and be gracious with yourself.
03:39 PM on 02/19/2012
The scriptures that were given says it all no matter how one interprets them. If one cannot read those scriptures and obey them, then what else is not being obeyed or taught? May I remind you that in James 3:1 the Bible states that teachers will be judged more harshly. For more clarity about lies: read John 8:43-47
12:14 AM on 02/19/2012
Not many people quote comedy acts but I am going to here
"I don't think religions are religions no I think there phiosophies with some great ideas and some f*king weird ones"
Eddie Izzard
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11:02 PM on 02/18/2012
A woman cannot be a reverend or a pastor. She started out completely wrong then went south.

I know, it's coming.
TomMartin
Freedom and equality.
11:38 PM on 02/18/2012
The Bible uses the word reverend only for God's name. And it does not list qualifications for pastors, only for bishops, deacons, and elders.
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Marine Staff Sergeant
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12:06 AM on 02/19/2012
As I said, cannot be a reverend.

As for the later. You have not been to church lately, an elder is a pastor.
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Marine Staff Sergeant
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03:50 AM on 02/19/2012
I prefer moron, it includes the supposed person as well as all of joseph's followers. When you say the catholic church agrees with me you err. They do not. As you pointed out, they have one elder. Not biblical. Also the Bible says the elder must be the husband of one wife so the whole pastor thing in the catholic church is wrong to begin with.

Sorry but I don't see the NT as being written clumsily. You have lost me as an audience because of that statement. I wonder how many others you have lost. I believe God. He said He wrote the Bible in the person of Christ, John 1:1 - 1:5, and He has preserved it forever.
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happybeliever
12:19 AM on 02/19/2012
Marine staff sergeant, you are correct.
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12:32 AM on 02/19/2012
Thank you happy. I replied to Tom Martin but it's pending.

F&F
06:04 PM on 02/18/2012
Minister? No way. How can you preach overcoming when you yourself don't overcome. I pray she wake up from this lust for the same sex.
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Robbert Bricker
i'm not a slave to a god that doesn't exist.
08:48 AM on 02/19/2012
you are gonna be praying for a very long time.
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Ioan Lightoller
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05:14 PM on 02/19/2012
Keep mistaking love for lust. It makes you look like the ignoramus you are.
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DeTex
Howze yer Mommer an nem?
05:18 PM on 02/19/2012
Lust may be all JLA knows in life.
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Robert Frano
‘Plausible Deniability’: NOT A FAMILY_VALUE!!
01:19 PM on 02/18/2012
Re: "The court must decide whether to uphold Spahr's 2010 censure for defying the church by officiating at the nuptials of 16 same-sex couples in California..." { R.Cohen}

Monotheisim's 'Delusionary' state is nothing short of magnificient! The church deciding 'whether' to ‘uphold’ Spahr's 2010 ‘censure'?
In this day & age, where ministers/pastores/other clergy wish they retained the political power and respect to order peope's ceremonial-attendance, on 'pain-of-the-block'?

That's rich!

That's like that airline capt. from the other day...
who, with wings clipped off, engines out, the aircraft in a death dive…and the ground looming... Desires to know the destination's weather!
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StevenM
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10:00 AM on 02/18/2012
I have no idea how this Presbyterian court will rule, but most mainline churches now accept (non-celibate) gay and lesbian members as full members of their churches. They are now ordaining gay and lesbians as ministers. I’m at a loss to understand why they would still find marrying gay and lesbian couples wrong. This ruling needs to be reversed and the Presbyterian Church needs to come out and strongly support same-sex marriage. This is the direction the Holy Spirit has been leading the mainline churches.
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08:13 PM on 02/20/2012
I doubt seriously if the Holy Spirit has been leading mainline churches in the direction you suggest. The change that is evident has been brought about by pressure from the masses to accept what God has said is sin. We are to love everyone, but we are to also acknowledge sin for what it is and call it as such. Weak leadership will always succumb to the wishes of the masses; it is easier to pacify man than God, but it is God who judges and determines our eternity.

According to your faith, be it unto you.
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StevenM
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06:11 AM on 02/21/2012
Unfortunately, conservati­ve Christians always find that the "Spirit of God" aligns perfectly with their own personal conviction­­s of bigotry and hate. Conservative Christians used the Bible to justify slavery. Then many of them supported Jim Crow laws and segregation; they fought against federal lynching laws, desegregation and civil rights. Today conservative Christian fight against same-sex marriage.But God is a living God and still leads the Church today.
06:30 PM on 02/21/2012
"This is the direction the Holy Spirit has been leading the mainline churches. "

You can leave the Holy Spirit out of this..
I doubt if you even know what the HS does for Christians...
09:37 AM on 02/18/2012
I am atheist but have read the Bible from cover to cover. The Bible that you preach from every Sunday does not like what you are doing here. Nor does it allow for you to be in the position that you are in as Pastor. The Bible is a cobbled together collection of Jewish myth and legend along with highly edited and redacted writings which were written solely to create a religion without regard to reality. But.. If you are going to take it seriously like I guess that you do.. Then you need to be rebuked and put back in the congregation with a head covering and required to keep silent. If you don't want to go with that I would suggest writing your own Bible like the Mormons did and create your own denomination (maybe the Prisbyterians) or better yet just start a club and to heck with religion all together.
06:03 PM on 02/18/2012
Myth? How you know its a myth without some other atheist telling you its a myth? Your atheism is base off tradition from other old men from old time who refused to live by the commandments. So they lied. The same book you read cover to cover that condemn all lying and liars would lie itself? Now which one makes more sense? Of course your going to stick to your atheism roots because your not born again. Pray. And see the difference. I was too an non believer until I was born again and my eyes was open. This world will be the promotion of fools.
06:45 PM on 02/18/2012
I don't need another atheist to tell me the obvious. The world is not 10,000 year old nor was it created in 6 days nor did a 500 year old man build a boat for a hundred years and load 2+ of every species in it, virgins don't have babies... etc. This is not how the world works and it is sad that you think that it does. Would a book (or person for that matter) that condemns liars lie? Yes.. !. People exaggerate and are deluded all the time. The bronze age was no different. I am sure that psychologically you see a difference in your life but it would be the same if you were a Muslim, Mormon, Jehovah Witness, Scientologist, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian Scientist or member of the Moose Lodge. This is no evidence for reality. There is some promotion of foolishness going on but I'm afraid your mind is closed to the truth of where it is coming from.
04:44 PM on 02/20/2012
“ Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. ”

Yeh, that makes more sense.
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phal4875
The world is run by cats; we just feed them.
06:20 PM on 02/20/2012
The head covering is because Paul said that women are the reflected glory of men, but men are reflections of the glory of God.
05:37 PM on 02/22/2012
The point of 1 Corinthians 11:2-16 is that women are to be subject to men and never in authority over them. But I could care less........ they are ancient writings with no more importance than the Iliad.
08:45 PM on 02/17/2012
Funny how there seems to be oddles of money to fight gay marriage, but a pittance to fight for laws that help ALL families: food for children, providing health care, cleaning up the environment, etc.

Notice what a great distraction this provides to people who are in the worst economic straights. I have a fundamentalist friend who can hardly pay her bills, but she is volunteering to get a referendum on the ballot to overturn the anti-bullying bill in our state. The reason? "I don't want my grandchildren learning about gay sex in kindergarten." As if.

Sweet friend, but like most right wing religious types, morality ends at the genitals. But she'll vote Republican because of these issues and calmly watch while families disintegrate in the face of economic stress and hardship caused by these self-appointed guardians of "family values."
09:56 PM on 02/17/2012
You reference "right-wing religious types" and then seem to suggest that THEY are the cause for the disintegration of the American family - I realize this is not a political blog, but you can hardly blame one fraction of the culture for the economic hardship that has befallen us all. People are free to donate their time and money to whatever causes they see fit...and it is mistaken to think that the religious in this country 1) do not volunteer their time, money and resources to help ALL families, and 2) that when hardship ensues, it is somehow their fault.

I have headed up MANY volunteer efforts in my hometown to help the needy, regardless of their individual beliefs and have never had a problem finding members of religious groups (of various faiths) to help out. It has been the anti-religious folks that are least apt to join us, so please consider that your analysis goes a little further than just this "friend" of yours...
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StevenM
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06:46 AM on 02/18/2012
Re: "you can hardly blame one fraction of the culture for the economic hardship that has befallen us all."

It was the Republican politicians who spearheaded the deregulation and who created two unfunded useless wars which cost over one trillion dollars, and it is a fact that "right-wing religious types" overwhelmingly vote Republican. So yes we can place blame on them.
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StevenM
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07:09 AM on 02/18/2012
Re: "Funny how there seems to be oddles of money to fight gay marriage, but a pittance to fight for laws that help ALL families: food for children, providing health care, cleaning up the environmen­t, etc."

Precisely!
07:23 PM on 02/17/2012
Nice work Ronnie ~ you shine light on the issue objectively.

Those of us who have been blessed by Janie's courage salute her perseverance in ministering to all God's people!

Mary Callaghan
Buffalo, NY