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Spain Protests Labor Reform

First Posted: 02/19/2012 10:37 am Updated: 02/19/2012 1:00 pm


By Paul Day and Tomás Cobos

MADRID, Feb 19 (Reuters) - Hundreds of thousands of people protested across Spain on Sunday against reforms to the labour market they fear will destroy workers' rights and spending cuts they say are destroying the welfare state.

Organisers, including the two largest unions Comisiones Obreras and UGT, said as many as half a million people joined the protest in 57 towns and cities, although Spanish police gave no official estimate.

In Madrid, one of the largest protests since the economic crisis began almost five years ago filled the wide boulevards from the Atocha train station up to the central Sol square with loud but peaceful marchers of all ages.

"Contracts are getting worse every year. They say they want to invest in the future while cutting research budgets. They're not looking to the future but to the next election with cuts dictated from Brussels," university researcher Nacho Foche, 27, said.

Spain's new conservative government began its four-year term in December with tax hikes and spending cuts worth around 15 billion euros ($19.74 billion) and must cut another around 40 billion to meet tough deficit targets set by the EU.

It has also passed reforms in the financial sector, which force banks to recognise property sector losses, and the labour market, which grant companies greater hiring and firing power, in an effort to appease nervous markets.


The euro zone's fourth largest economy has been in the eye of storm of the debt crisis since the Socialist government racked up one of the bloc's largest budget deficits, leaving investors concerned it had lost control of its finances.


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The Socialists, trounced in November's election over their perceived mishandling of the crisis, made sweeping cuts and reforms while the economy reeled from the fallout of a burst property bubble and collapsed domestic demand.

The conservative party says its own labour market reform, passed Feb. 10, will give struggling companies more room to recover from the economic crisis and create jobs in a country where almost half of all young people are unemployed.

The reform has abolished severance pay worth 45 days for each year worked, a legal requirement that companies said made it prohibitively expensive to reduce the workforce in times of economic difficulties.

"When we designed this reform we were thinking in the people who are out of work, who see no future," Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy told a party conference on Sunday.

Spain has the highest unemployment rate in the developed world at 23 percent and many Spaniards fear granting businesses greater powers to lay off workers will prompt a wave of redundancies and new contracts without rights.

Rajoy was caught on camera in Brussels last month saying to his Finnish counterpart that he believed the labour reform would cause a general strike and, although the unions have not called for industrial action, many at the march in Madrid thought more should be done.

"There has to be a general strike. They said they were cutting workers rights to create more work. They've cut rights, but not said how they plan to create jobs," teacher Alberto Carrillo, 48, said.

"Before we were privileged, but now we're having trouble even paying our gas bills." ($1 = 0.7597 euros) (Additional reporting by Inmaculada Sanz; Editing by Alison Williams)

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eberway
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08:33 AM on 02/21/2012
How can anyone that follows what is happening in Europe continue to support the wages and benefits of public union workers......remember I am referring only to public unions, not private labor, whose wages and benefits pale in comparison to their public counter parts. But then why wouldn’t they, when negotiations in the public sector for wages and benefits are between public workers and public administrators. Like the fox negotiating with the coyote to see who protects the chickens. The chickens in this case happen to be the private sector. Anyone have any doubt why states are billions in debt.
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pollclaire
jeu d'esprit
10:01 AM on 02/21/2012
Wages for private and public workers will never be quite the same.

Capital will always be able to point to one or the other and say, 'They're overpaid compared to...'

And wage cuts, benefit cuts and Hilarity ensued.

You're being played. Unless you're one of those doing the playing?
eberway
Go Pack
10:31 AM on 02/21/2012
They don't need to be the same...........only equitable for the worked performed. As far as being played, no, I'm just informed.
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Skookum1
truth can't be bought, but lies sure can be sold..
03:38 PM on 02/21/2012
well, the ancient Athenian solution to civic costs was simply to use slaves. The police, in particular, with slaves of the city itself. Who needs wages when you have status (and the ability to extort?).

Even the highest ranking servants of the Ottoman sultans were slaves - even the Grand Viziers, and generally all were well-kept. One, when asked about what it was like being a slave, said he had all the bliss in the world being one of the Sultan's slaves; he knew his life could be forfeit at any moment....but better a slave to his Lord than a mere peasant in the Balkans.

All you people calling for reduced pay for public workers are going after people and services that make today's life possible at all. The people who DON'T need more pay are the ones ordering these cuts so as to increase their own bottom line.

Pitting public vs private sector workers is poison, and can only end in bloodshed.
eberway
Go Pack
04:13 PM on 02/21/2012
"All you people calling for reduced pay for public workers are going after people and services that make today's life possible at all. The people who DON'T need more pay are the ones ordering these cuts so as to increase their own bottom line." ........................Go tell that to Greece, Spain and Portugal, and all the rest who have 25% of their workforce working for the government. Welfare states,,,,,,,,and were heading there.
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den1953
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08:28 AM on 02/21/2012
Funny thing happened on the the way to the protest the people of Spain realizes voter remorse from a conservative government, gee i wonder if it is a trend?
12:24 PM on 02/24/2012
Quite a stretch on your part, but expected from a government entitlement recipient!
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den1953
The National Inquire of Politics the GOP!
06:07 PM on 02/24/2012
Ever wonder why all the Conservative lead governments that put austerity measures in place have become questionable about failure?
08:05 AM on 02/21/2012
Can you imagine the riots of our inner cities when OB finally tells them I screwed up were totally broke like Greece and Spain. The greatest country in the world destroyed by a few men and a couple women. What a Shame.
01:21 AM on 02/21/2012
100 years from now, when Liberal ideology is taught in schools to show what a miserable failure it is, the text will be titled , "at noon they slept"
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02:02 AM on 02/21/2012
Liberalism first became a powerful force in the Age of Enlightenment, rejecting several foundational assumptions that dominated most earlier theories of government, such as nobility, established religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The early liberal thinker John Locke, who is often credited for the creation of liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition, employed the concept of natural rights and the social contract to argue that the rule of law should replace absolutism in government, that rulers were subject to the consent of the governed, and that private individuals had a fundamental right to life, liberty, and property.
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truenortherner
All will be revealed
03:58 AM on 02/21/2012
And when you tell the young people of today that ...
They just won't believe you!
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pollclaire
jeu d'esprit
09:35 AM on 02/21/2012
Exactly right. I'd go back even further than the enlightenment and credit the secular humanists for challenging the premise that the legitimacy of rulers was derived from divinity. Over the last 500 years, conservatism and traditionalism have eventually lost every battle they've fought.
08:03 AM on 02/21/2012
At 50 you retired with full benefits.
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pollclaire
jeu d'esprit
12:18 AM on 02/21/2012
If the people of España give capital and finance too much control over their civil affairs, it will not work to the common good. Can anyone cite for me the lowest common denominato­r, the point at which capital has 'enough' advantage over labor?

Would it be a part-time workforce with no benefits or health care?

How about workers locked in dormitorie­s and paid intermitte­ntly?

Or, what about the American South, where capital owned labor outright?

The American South 1608-1865 is instructiv­­e as an example of the extremes that capital will go to in order to control labor. They'll form a militia to keep it check, institutio­nalize the oppression through their laws, and even use the teachings of their schools and religious institutio­ns to justify their actions.

It's important to remember that the value systems of capital are essentiall­­­y unchanged from those times. Capital is amoral and focused on profit alone, and there's really no 'lowest common denominato­­­r' when it comes to the degree of advantage over labor that capital will seek to establish and maintain.

I'm glad that the Spanish people seem to understand that, and I hope they can agree on the importance of having an objective set of terms under which capital and labor will deal with each other.
Michael5555
I built it despite you people
01:28 AM on 02/21/2012
Wow, how does someone even begin to reply to that post ? Let me try.

I would say the majority of business owners ( which is what you are talking about ) show concern and caring for their employees well being, if they do not then their good employees would leave the company and find employment elsewhere, leaving the company with a high turnover rate therefore greatly affecting the companys bottom line in a very negative way.

The problem with socialism is people can become lazy, and complacent, and inefficient and lose their sense of innovativeness and competitveness (human nature), therefore they recieve more in pay and benefits than what they produce.

The only thing Spanish people are seeing is that socialism does not work.

Why do you look at businesses the way you do ? There are plenty of businesses that treat their employees exceptionally well how you can view businesses in this manner ? It is truely not that serious, if an employee feels they are not being treated well they simply leave that business and find employment elsewhere.

If you want to change the world and feel all companies treat their employees poorly then start up your own business and treat your employees as you feel they should be treated, there is nothing in the world from stopping you from doing so other than lack of ambition, it is truely not that serious, cut loose the ball and chain from around your being and quit feeling like
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02:09 AM on 02/21/2012
Classic American economic illiteracy.
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Skookum1
truth can't be bought, but lies sure can be sold..
03:40 PM on 02/21/2012
"The only thing Spanish people are seeing is that socialism does not work."

The only thing the Spanish people are seeing is that being socialist will invite the ire and schemes of the Big Money Crowd to destroy their country, and blame it on them.
Michael5555
I built it despite you people
01:50 AM on 02/21/2012
an eternal victim.
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frdm399
Freedom is about choice
12:12 AM on 02/21/2012
Looks like nobody is winning the future in Spain either. Still want to be like Europe liberals?
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den1953
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08:31 AM on 02/21/2012
Look again chief even Europe is in full austerity mode and people aren't buying what the conservative governments are selling!
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darkmark
religion, the veil of evil.
11:52 PM on 02/20/2012
a lot of gopers crying crocodile tears over the problems in spain, as if they ever cared about any one but their beloved rush and beck. of course they have all the wrong answers. they always speak from a ready supply of hyperbole and lies fed to them by mommy rush and baby beck. what a clueless bunch. they will never see what's in their own best interests so why try convincing them? economies bubble and burst. the planet is crying in pain and yet the t partiers continue on with their reactionary lives. trying to drag everyone into the mire with them.
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pollclaire
jeu d'esprit
12:39 AM on 02/21/2012
Not their fault, really. The elites have sold them a line of advocacy as truth, and they don't have the skills to critical-think it.

I think we're holding the line when we call it into question, and maybe even winning a little, since they're not used to having their belief systems challenged, ever.
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den1953
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08:34 AM on 02/21/2012
When people are forced to give up what little they could enjoy to give it to the wealthy pimps of Europe just like here in the United States unequal societies clash,to take from the poor and give to the rich causes uprisings........
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Wozzeck
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11:24 PM on 02/20/2012
The use of the term "reforms" in the headline is a tactic to frame the issue in favor of the "reformers", that is the owners of capital. The same tactic is to used to frame "heath care reform",
and "social security reform" to favour those who would benefit from the changes, who are not those needing health care or retirement security.
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pollclaire
jeu d'esprit
01:01 AM on 02/21/2012
Great comment. Frame the debate in terms of 'reform', and it's sure to help your case.

It's pretty common for the right to use language to frame issues to their advantage.

The inheritance tax becomes the 'death tax', civilian casualties become 'collateral damage', anti-abortion becomes 'pro-life'.

There are dozens of examples. They've clearly had some high-priced PR talent working for them over the years.
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danrothesq
Unrestricted brilliance.
11:23 PM on 02/20/2012
The party is over. Time to go home.
Bernique
Solar is clean, cheap and plentiful
10:29 PM on 02/20/2012
GOOD for the Spanish people!!! Enough (fake) austerity, enough dismantling of the previously well run "common goods" state. Down with Wall Street stooges and Goldman S A X's orchestrated fake "debts/deficits"".

Back to the common sense taxing of the rich, the rich who need the order and contentment of well-run societies, not the chaos the "neo-liberals" have thrown about Europe. Will I hear back from one of the European "rich"" that they've had enough of the ""Shock Doctrine" (Naomi Klein's TM) way of governance? Any one of them?
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Finnlander
11:48 PM on 02/20/2012
Shock Doctrine should be read by everyone.
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frdm399
Freedom is about choice
09:16 PM on 02/20/2012
It's good to see all those green jobs created in Spain saved their economy! LOL
Bernique
Solar is clean, cheap and plentiful
10:30 PM on 02/20/2012
how ignorant, frdm.
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frdm399
Freedom is about choice
11:02 PM on 02/20/2012
Yes it is ignorant to think green jobs will save any economy the government is running. It was estimated for every green job created in Spain two were lost. People will be starving and unable to heat their homes, but at least they'll have clean air to breath!
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frdm399
Freedom is about choice
12:05 AM on 02/21/2012
So far each green job created in the United States has only cost the American taxpayer around $2 million each. Solyndra = solar not so cheap. Spare me the rhetoric of your agenda.
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frdm399
Freedom is about choice
09:13 PM on 02/20/2012
Uh oh Spain, welcome to Greece. The problem with socialism is sooner or later you always run out of other peoples money. Pay attention liberals, this will be us sooner than you think.
theaustralian
to the far left of right wing democrats
05:38 AM on 02/21/2012
i would anyone pay attention to a dum*a** like you.
wbneilsen
It's tough being the minority
08:58 PM on 02/20/2012
I guess the people who are still employed will have to face higher taxes to fund the welfare state. Then when they complain about higher taxes they'll lay off workers and cut benefits. Then when they complain about laid off workers and cuts they can raise taxers. And so on and so forth. I wonder when their debt gets paid off in all this?
Michael5555
I built it despite you people
01:31 AM on 02/21/2012
Exactly
jgrant129
aut viam inveniam aut faciam
08:20 PM on 02/20/2012
Did anyone ever notice that all of these socialist articles have a "It's time to join Barack's campaign" advertisement at the top? One might come to the conclusion that Mr. Obama supports such socialist ideals? Who would of thunk it???
Bernique
Solar is clean, cheap and plentiful
10:30 PM on 02/20/2012
how ignorant jgrant.
dmgg711
dmgg711
11:14 PM on 02/20/2012
This is about what is happening in our country like in Spain, Republicans and special interest groups taking away workers rights and spending cuts they say are destroying the welfare state. Come on and see what they are fighting for is exactly what we are fighting for in Wisconsin and all the Koch Republican Governor states that are trying to destroy our middle class.

Spaniards and the American people have a lot in common, radical, extremist conservatives trying to destroy workers rights and taxing the middle class and poor while rewarding the special interest groups and wealthy at our expense by taxing us to death!
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pollclaire
jeu d'esprit
12:53 AM on 02/21/2012
Fight 'em! Can't win if you don't fight 'em, yes?
08:04 PM on 02/20/2012
The US dollar is the worlds reserve currency and as such all other currencies are measurd against it for value and worth. Now, the US Federal Reserve Bank can print as much money as it requires to pay debts or lend to the US Treasury. The US treasury then pays interest on the debt. As of this month, the US owes nearly 15 and one half TRILLION dollars.

The problems occur when the rest of worlds currencies see that the US ability to pay its debts become unrealistic.

The US has held onto the reserve currency status since the early 1960's when England, which held that role for nearly 200 years owed debts they could not repay.

As time passes, countries, particularly within the mideast, are demanding a basket of currencies be utilized to represent a fair market on a global scale.

If this were to happen, the US could not print any more money because the value of the dollar would be determined by the basket of currencies rather than the US alone. One dollar may be worth 5 cents. The depression in 1929 lasted for more than 12 years with bread lines everywhere. Cash would be worthless.

These are the consequences of our US economy. The US has plenty of revenue coming in to the treasury every month, but spending far out weighs these amounts. All it takes is for the US to lose its reserve currency status.
Bernique
Solar is clean, cheap and plentiful
10:33 PM on 02/20/2012
Greece wishes it could print its own currency. So would most households.The world economic order is berzerk.

Solutions -- barter, cooperatives?
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danrothesq
Unrestricted brilliance.
11:26 PM on 02/20/2012
Gold. You can't print gold.
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Skookum1
truth can't be bought, but lies sure can be sold..
03:45 PM on 02/21/2012
localized currencies were advocated by the late Jane Jacobs:

http://books.google.ca/books?id=gT6sBKLX7kgC&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=%22Jane+Jacobs%22\+%22the+wealth+of+cities:%22&source=bl&ots=Xoux7F542p&sig=K_mV7H_69Sr0iz-E9g6GMVs76HI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xwFET-CqPK-70AGZ9vyyBw&ved=0CGsQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=%22Jane%20Jacobs%22\%20%22the%20wealth%20of%20cities%3A%22&f=false

pretty much have to read the whole thing but you'll "get it" after a few chapters; longer version of the same thesis is the book "Cities and the Wealth of Nations", the "Wealth of Cities" article is a sort of short version of same.
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truenortherner
All will be revealed
04:13 AM on 02/21/2012
It's not the cash that's the real problem, it's the automatic debt that's associated with it.