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Prop 8: Backers Of Gay Marriage Ban Want Review Of 9th Circuit Court Of Appeals Decision

Prop 8 Decision

LISA LEFF   02/21/12 09:02 PM ET  AP

SAN FRANCISCO — The backers of California's same-sex marriage ban petitioned a federal appeals court Tuesday to review a split decision by three of its judges that struck down Proposition 8, opting for now to avoid taking their chances before the U.S. Supreme Court.

Lawyers for the religious and legal groups behind the ban beat a midnight deadline to ask the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to rehear the 2-1 decision that declared Prop. 8 to be a violation of the civil rights of gay and lesbian Californians.

If they had not sought reconsideration, the three judges could have ordered the ruling to take effect in another seven days, clearing the way for same-sex marriages to resume in the state.

Instead, same-sex marriages will remain on hold at least until the 9th Circuit decides to accept or reject the rehearing petition. The court does not face a deadline for doing so.

"After careful consideration, we determined that asking for reconsideration by the full 9th Circuit is in the best interests of defending Prop. 8," said Andy Pugno, general counsel for the Protect Marriage coalition. "This gives the entire 9th Circuit a chance to correct this anomalous decision by just two judges overturning the vote of seven million Californians."

Legal experts said supporters of the ban could be exhausting all their options before trying to take the case to the Supreme Court.

"It's another procedural opportunity they have, so why give up another bite at the apple?" Stanford University law professor Jane Schacter said about the decision to appeal to the 9th Circuit.

If a majority of the 9th Circuit's 25 actively serving judges agree to reconsider the case, it would be assigned to a panel that includes the chief judge and 10 randomly selected judges. Schacter, however, said the 9th Circuit does not often reverse the decisions of member judges.

Schacter suggested Prop. 8 backers might believe a ruling by a bigger appeals court panel could yield a decision more likely to pique the interest of the Supreme Court. The two judges who rejected Prop. 8 two weeks ago focused their decision exclusively on California's ban, even though the court has jurisdiction in nine western states.

Analysts said that made it less likely the Supreme Court would take the case on appeal.

"If the en banc decision was broad, it might be more likely to draw attention of the Supreme Court because it would be a decision with national reverberations," Schacter said.

In addition, backers of the ban might want to delay Supreme Court review until after the November presidential election, which could work in their favor if a Republican is elected president.

Prop. 8 amended the California Constitution to outlaw same-sex marriages five months after the state Supreme Court threw out a pair of statutes that limited marriage to a man and woman. The proposition was approved by voters in November 2008 with 52 percent of the vote.

"Today's petition shows how far the anti-marriage proponents of Proposition 8 will go to ensure that gay and lesbian Americans remain second-class citizens," said Chad Griffin, president of the American Foundation for Equal Rights, which sued to overturn the ban. "Separate is never equal – and I am confident that one day, very soon, every American will be able to enjoy the fundamental freedom to marry."

The 9th Circuit panel said in its Feb. 7 ruling that the amendment violated the U.S. Constitution's promise of equal protection because it singled out a minority group for disparate treatment for no compelling reason.

The two judges in the majority concluded that the law had no purpose other than to deny gay couples marriage, since California already grants them all the rights and benefits of marriage if they register as domestic partners.

The lone dissenting judge insisted that the ban could have served a legitimate purpose in the minds of its supporters: namely, helping to ensure that children are raised by married, opposite-sex parents.

All three judges agreed there was no evidence that former Chief U.S. Judge Vaughn Walker, who struck down Prop. 8 after conducting a 13-day trial, should have disclosed that he was gay and in a long-term relationship with another man before he presided over the proceedings.

In the petition filed Tuesday, lawyers for the ban's supporters said the 9th Circuit panel overlooked a Supreme Court precedent in a 1972 same-sex marriage case that should have been binding on their deliberations and that it misapplied the high court's 1996 decision overturning a Colorado measure that outlawed discrimination protections for gay people.

They also argued that the panel wrongly concluded that Walker had no obligation to reveal his involvement in a same-sex relationship.

"Disapproving of the redefinition of marriage to include same-sex couples is plainly not the same as disapproving same-sex couples as a people," the petition stated. "Do President Obama and a host of other prominent champions of equal rights for gays and lesbians support the traditional definition of marriage solely to disapprove of gays and lesbians as a class and to dishonor same-sex couples as a people?"

Six states allow gay couples to wed – Connecticut, New Hampshire, Iowa, Massachusetts, New York and Vermont – as well as the District of Columbia. The governor of Washington signed a bill this month that would make that state the seventh. But California, as the nation's most populous state and home to more than 98,000 same-sex couples, would be the gay rights movement's biggest prize of them all.

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YouAreJokingRight
Taking you less seriously than you take yourself.
12:37 PM on 02/23/2012
This reminds me of kids arguing why they shouldn't have to go to bed yet. You're going to bed. All you're doing is stalling, kiddos.
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Miranda Wrietz
Yes, it is a mandate.
05:02 PM on 02/23/2012
Look up "extinction burst", it is a term used in children and pet training. It relates to tantrums and noisy shrieking. I think that is why we are getting these tantrums from the regressives. F&F
09:22 AM on 02/23/2012
It's going to the Supreme Court, whether or not the boneheads backing prop 8 like it or not. This is a losing battle for them, they can fight it all they want, but we're getting so close to actually following the Constitution, you can't put that back in the box.
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NovemberScorp
06:01 PM on 02/22/2012
This petition comes as no surprise. It simply delays the envitable. Perhaps the SCOTUS needs to settle the issue once and for all and put this issue on fast track. We can only continue to work and hope.
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rockysparks
there's no law against being annoying.
04:16 PM on 02/22/2012
"Today's petition shows how far the anti-marriage proponents of Proposition 8 will go to ensure that gay and lesbian Americans remain second-class citizens," said Chad Griffin, president of the American Foundation for Equal Rights, which sued to overturn the ban. "Separate is never equal – and I am confident that one day, very soon, every American will be able to enjoy the fundamental freedom to marry."

The Prop 8 Haters are like the selfish little kids that take their football and go home if they don't get to be the quarterback. When this thing is over and gay marriage is legal in California, these people will move on to some other group to bully. They're losing this one and will continue to do so.
09:24 AM on 02/23/2012
What's selfish about the Constitution being upheld again? Trust me, there's plenty of fatigue in the gay community on the marriage issue too, we'd like our marriage rights so we can get back to work on bigger issues.

And I fail to see what is "bullying" about defending the rights afforded to you as a citizen.
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rockysparks
there's no law against being annoying.
09:41 AM on 02/23/2012
Think you misread what I posted, my friend. I'm pro gay marriage. The "haters" I referred to are the folks who are still trying to keep Prop 8 as law. People who are against gay marriage.

Trust me, this old gay man is delighted with the appellate court ruling.
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rockysparks
there's no law against being annoying.
11:24 AM on 02/23/2012
Whoa, dude. I think you misread what I'm saying here. I'm in favor of gay marriage, against Prop 8.
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Atwill
Christian puppets scare me
08:14 AM on 02/22/2012
Agian, these bible thumpers will spend millions of $ to fight it and ignore the sick and hungry. Good little chrisitans.
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KellyRyan
A micro-bio for one who has none.
04:58 PM on 02/22/2012
Agree ... F&F

52 million spent to fight equal rights by Mormons and Catholics, when those within their own communities could have benefitted from assistance.
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Atwill
Christian puppets scare me
10:26 PM on 02/22/2012
It really irritates me more then many because i am an RN an have worked on children units and i have seen sick and dying kids. yet these idiots would rather waste thier money on this. Makes me so pig spitting mad that I want to puke.
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neighborhoodmole
no one really knows who anyone is here
08:30 PM on 02/21/2012
The real goal of the prop 8 backers is to keep milking their bigoted supports for money, so they want to keep this fight going as long as they can. They don't even want to win, that would be the end of the donations!
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Cacey
Ignore rudeness, honor discussion
08:14 PM on 02/21/2012
Let's just cut to the chase and save a lot of time and money. Put it on the ballot again and let the people of California vote. It's an election year and California will go overwelmingly Democratic but more importantly a vastly increased number of Californians now support equality for all of the State's citizens.
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Priestess of Ryleh
panem et circenses!
10:06 PM on 02/21/2012
how would putting peoples civil right to the ballot AGAIN... be any less wrong then it was the first time?
10:58 PM on 02/21/2012
Well, first of all, Priestess, because we'd likely win this time; also, like it or not that's the way the constitutional process in California works (and I actually DON'T like it, but hey, that's the way it is), and after all, Maine is voting on the issue in November because marriage equality supporters put it on the ballot there.
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Cacey
Ignore rudeness, honor discussion
06:48 AM on 02/22/2012
Actually, it wouldn't but I'm going for the end goal and not the game that's being played
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cordyc
02:53 AM on 02/22/2012
It was a very dishonest campaign so I think a lot of voter were honestly confused and thought that voting Yes meant you approved of marriage equality. There were also some very misleading robo calls. I know I got one. The Mormons and the Catholics spent big bucks.
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billy goat
Sniffing Out Bad Cheese Everywhere!
07:31 PM on 02/21/2012
Does anyone know the time line for the ninth circuit to decide on whether to re-hear the case? I understand the losing side had 14 days to make this request and 90 days to ask the supreme court to review. Is the 90 days to file with the supreme court included in this period during which the 9th circuit decides to re-hear?
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cwebster
predominantly exasperated
09:07 PM on 02/21/2012
"The court does not face a deadline for doing so."
02:12 PM on 03/05/2012
But it's believed that the 9th will not delay in their decision to rehear, since this would lead to accusations of judicial obstructionism, and cloud to validity of the process overall. Expect an answer comfortably before the May-deadline for US Supreme Court Application.

I have heard that upon opting not to re-hear the case, the ban would lift 7-days thence. I do not know if the 9th may stay the ruling pending the SC's decision to hear the case.
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BooBoo Bob
Snark is my life.
07:24 PM on 02/21/2012
I can't say that this was unexpected but the bigotry displayed, here, is utterly shameful. I say release the tapes and let the world see the Prop 8 backer's lies.
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One more Thing
07:03 AM on 02/22/2012
The world will never forget that the Catholic and Mormon Churches paid for Prop 8 and these two religions will answer for their intervention in the civil rights of individuals the world over in years to come.

Fanned
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Mailman
07:32 AM on 02/22/2012
You forgot that the blacks and hispancs paid too.
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Awake-and-Sing
named after a great play written by Clifford Odets
06:03 PM on 02/21/2012
I truly think this is half a "Hail Mary" pass of trying to run out the clock and hope a Republican wins the Presidential election and gets to appoint a Justice to replace one of the more progressive judges before their flimsy case is heard.

And, it is half out of spite trying to deny legal recognition of as many marriages as possible.

"Justice delayed is justice denied" - Lift the stay.
MrStat1
I believe in the rule of law
06:05 PM on 02/21/2012
No. This is the normal legal process. One can ask for a "en banc" hearing from the full 9th circuit. If they decline then they can appeal to the Supreme Court. Until then as long as the appeal process is in play the courts ruling cannot take effect. What they are doing is not out of the ordinary for any party planning an appeal.
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Awake-and-Sing
named after a great play written by Clifford Odets
07:13 PM on 02/21/2012
When they have a totally losing case? No, this is about spite.
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Curt H
The only rights u have r the ones u stand up 4
06:29 PM on 02/21/2012
You are right, I feel this is just a tactile delay in giving us our civil rights..
05:41 PM on 02/21/2012
Re-Pugno, who practices trusts and estates law and not constitutional law, is in way over his head.
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MarcoLuxe
BS; JD
05:33 PM on 02/21/2012
Statistically, a one quarter of one percent chance for further 9th Cir. review. The 9th Circuit decided just 15 cases en banc in 2010 (0.24% of all appeals decided on the merits), down from 23 in 2000 (0.48%). Overall, the federal en banc review on the merits fell by half from 0.27% in 2000 to 0.14% in 2010. See: Aaron Bayer in The National Law Journal 5.9.2011
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rockysparks
there's no law against being annoying.
04:22 PM on 02/22/2012
Can you translate that from confusing legalese into plain English, please?
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
05:30 PM on 02/22/2012
Not 100% sure, rockysparks but I think the poster is saying that there is not much of a chance that the 9th Circuit Court will agree to an en banc review of the case.
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
05:27 PM on 02/21/2012
This is more delaying tactics for political gain.... At the expense of the rights of LGBT Americans and the Californians they took rights away from to begin with.

The pro-prop8 case is and was shoddy, that's why they did all that about suppressing the public seeing the trial... (While claiming to be afraid of gay assassins or something, in further defamation,)

And the public sentiment is now swung in favor of marriage equality anyway.

They're just trying to delay justice to hurt as many LGBT couples as they can while they can still make money and political off their hate.
MrStat1
I believe in the rule of law
06:06 PM on 02/21/2012
Rights? What rights? You have no legal right to get married in Ca. until the 9th's ruling takes effect, if it does.
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
06:42 PM on 02/21/2012
Incorrect: I have a Constitutional right to equal protection under the law and all those things that the Right is trying to delay recognition of by all these Unconstitutional referenda and delaying tactics... And dis-education campaigns about things like the meaning of 'rights' and Constitutional law.
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BooBoo Bob
Snark is my life.
07:26 PM on 02/21/2012
The right to substantive Due Process for one.

And, frankly, just your statement "you have no legal right" shows us that the law needs to change.
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05:14 PM on 02/21/2012
You know, sometimes it really feels like they're just trying to run-out the clock until (they hope) a Republican president puts another conservative judge or two in the court.
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Intelligenti Pauca
Be Seeing You
05:00 PM on 02/21/2012
Recognized federal civil rights law in the United States is grounded in the U.S. Constituti­on as interprete­d by the Supreme Court. By this standard, marriage has long been establishe­d as a civil right. The U.S. Supreme Court first applied this standard to marriage in Loving v. Virginia, where it struck down a Virginia law banning interracial marriage. As Chief Justice Earl Warren wrote for the majority: "The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men ..."

In Lawrence v. Texas Justice Kennedy's opinion grounded the right of consenting adults to have sex on how intimate and personal the conduct was to those involved, not on the conduct being traditionally protected by society (as in Bowers), procreative (as in Eisenstadt and Roe), or conducted by married people (as in Griswold).

Furthermore, portions of Justice Scalia's dissent appeared in Judge Vaughn Walker's ruling in Perry v. Brown (formerly Perry v. Schwarzenegger) supporting same-sex marriage and finding California's Proposition 8 unconstitutional:

"If moral disapprobation of homosexual conduct is "no legitimate state interest" for purposes of proscribing that conduct...what justification could there possibly be for denying the benefits of marriage to homosexual couples exercising "the liberty protected by the Constitution"? Surely not the encouragement of procreation, since the sterile and the elderly are allowed to marry."
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05:37 PM on 02/21/2012
Actually, it is for the encouragement of procreation. Because in general a man and a woman can procreate - so there is a blanket law that allows all men and women the ability to marriage (within the limitations of the law). Until Homosexual relationships can prove that they too can procreate on their own, then marriage should be off the table for those types of relationships.
05:42 PM on 02/21/2012
If it is for the encouragement of procreation, then, as Justice Scalia noted, the sterile and the elderly would not be permitted to marry.
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Intelligenti Pauca
Be Seeing You
05:44 PM on 02/21/2012
Sorry, but that's just your opinion. It carries no legal weight & in fact the Supreme Court has stated that it is NOT a legal basis for denying homosexuals the rights they are guaranteed under the Constitution & the Founding Fathers intended.

The whole "procreation" argument became invalid decades ago. Or are you completely unaware of the overcrowding the planet has been dealing with for decades?
02:05 PM on 02/25/2012
How does Baker v Nelson fit in that logic?