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Fire Gun In Space? Here's What Would Happen If You Tried That

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First Posted: 02/22/2012 12:51 pm Updated: 02/22/2012 12:51 pm

By: Natalie Wolchover
Published: 02/22/2012 10:51 AM EST on Lifes Little Mysteries

Fires can't burn in the oxygen-free vacuum of space, but guns can shoot. Modern ammunition contains its own oxidizer, a chemical that will trigger the explosion of gunpowder, and thus the firing of a bullet, wherever you are in the universe. No atmospheric oxygen required.

The only difference between pulling the trigger on Earth and in space is the shape of the resulting smoke trail. In space, "it would be an expanding sphere of smoke from the tip of the barrel," said Peter Schultz an astronomer at Brown University who researches impact craters.

The possibility of gunfire in space allows for all kinds of absurd scenarios.

Shooting stars

Imagine you're floating freely in the vacuum between galaxies — just you, your gun and a single bullet. You have two options. You either can spend all of eternity trying to figure out how you got there, or you can shoot the damn cosmos.

If you do the latter, Newton's third law dictates that the force exerted on the bullet will impart an equal and opposite force on the gun, and, because you're holding the gun, you. With very few intergalactic atoms against which to brace yourself, you'll start moving backward (not that you’d have any way of knowing). If the bullet leaves the gun barrel at 1,000 meters per second, you — because you're much more massive than it is — will head the other way at only a few centimeters per second.

Once shot, the bullet will keep going, quite literally, forever. "The bullet will never stop, because the universe is expanding faster than the bullet can catch up with any serious amount of mass" to slow it down, said Matija Cuk, an astronomer with joint appointments at Harvard University and the SETI Institute. (If the universe weren't expanding, then the one or two atoms per cubic centimeter encountered by the bullet in the near-vacuum of space would bring it to a standstill after 10 million light-years.)

Getting down to details, the universe expands at a rate of 73 kilometers per second per megaparsec (about 3 million light-years, or the average distance between galaxies). By Cuk's calculations, this means matter that is 40,000 to 50,000 light-years away from the bullet would move away from it at about the same speed at which it is travelling, and would thus be forever out of reach. In the entire future of the universe, the bullet will catch up only to atoms that are less than 40,000 or so light-years from the chamber of your gun.

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Shooting giants from the hip

Guns do actually get carried to space, though not quite to the void between galaxies. For decades, the standard survival pack for Russian cosmonauts has included a gun. Until recently, it wasn't just any gun, but "a deluxe all-in-one weapon with three barrels and a folding stock that doubles as a shovel and contains a swing-out machete," according to space historian James Oberg. The space guns are issued in case the cosmonauts need one back on Earth, so that they can protect themselves if emergency landing of their Soyuz spacecraft has left them deserted in a treacherous region. But still, cosmonauts in theory could shoot their guns before they landed.

So what if, during a spacewalk, a cosmonaut opened fire on Jupiter?

He or she should feel free to shoot from the hip. According to Robert Flack, a physicist at University College London, the enormous gravitational field of Jupiter is likely to suck in a bullet even if it is badly aimed. "Jupiter is so huge, it will capture the bullet and then it will follow a curved path down into the planet," Flack said.

And as it does, it will pick up some serious steam. According to Schultz, if the bullet is shot straight toward Jupiter, the planet's gravity will accelerate the ammo to the eye-popping speed of almost 60 kilometers per second by the time it crosses the gas giant's threshold.

Watch your back

Shooting someone in the back is a cowardly act. In space, "theoretically you could shoot yourself in the back," Schultz said.

You could do it, for example, while in orbit around a planet. Because objects orbiting planets are actually in a constant state of free fall, you have to get the setup just right. You'd have to shoot horizontally at just the right altitude for the bullet to circle the planet and fall back to where it started (you). And you'd also have to consider how much you'll get kicked backwards (and consequently, how much your altitude will change) when you fire. 

"The aim has to be perfect," Schultz said.

Such a scenario isn't as absurd as it sounds. In fact, Schultz said scientists at one point were considering setting up such a self-hit in space in order to investigate the effects of high-speed impacts.

However, considering all the math involved, Cuk suggests it might be easier to commit space suicide by standing on a mountain on the moon. "'Shooting yourself in the back' works in principle if you shoot a bullet at horizon from the top of a lunar mountain, at 1600 meters per second or so," he said. He thinks it just might work as long as you adjust your aim to account for lumps and irregularities in the shape of the moon, which would affect the altitude of the bullet as it travels.

With so many possible movie plotlines to consider, one question remains: Why are there so few space shoot 'em ups?

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Pete Gerasia
If you can't think logically, don't talk to me.
10:51 PM on 04/23/2012
No one has brought up the problem of cooling the gun if shot in a vacuum.....
08:19 PM on 04/06/2013
The vacuum of space is COLD! The tails of comets are made of ice. Cooling would NEVER be a problem.
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Pete Gerasia
If you can't think logically, don't talk to me.
09:12 AM on 04/07/2013
No. The gun would have no way to cool as it's in a vacuum. 
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uniqumm
Hot Snark served with relish
02:32 PM on 03/08/2012
It's amazing what junk even people who should be "experts" can up with!
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uniqumm
Hot Snark served with relish
02:28 PM on 03/08/2012
"According to Robert Flack, a physicist at University College London, the enormous gravitational field of Jupiter is likely to suck in a bullet even if it is badly aimed."
Flack, eh? There's soil for jest there-
But seriously: This is more B.S! The bullet would never get close to Jupiter, I think. The velocity imparted would give the bullet an orbit around the Sun further out from Earth and probably more elliptical than Earth's, but that's it. I doubt it would even get anywhere near the orbit of Mars. I leave it to the physicists here to crunch the numbers. It's basically simple.
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uniqumm
Hot Snark served with relish
02:09 PM on 03/08/2012
In space, "it would be an expanding sphere of smoke from the tip of the barrel," said Peter Schultz an astronomer at Brown University

Sorry, but that's wrong! That's what you get those SciFi movies! ;-)

If it's illuminated by the sun you'll see the briefest bit of fuzziness at the muzzle. There WON'T be a sphere, cloud or shell! The venting propellant gas is very hot and has a range of molecular velocities which has no external constraint in the form of an atmosphere. The molecules and particles will simply linearly disperse extremely rapidly.
03:06 PM on 05/26/2012
He is technically right, if you were to film it with an extreamly fast and extreamly sensitive heat camera you would see it would be spherical in shape, he is wrong because you wouldn't see it in any other case.
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uniqumm
Hot Snark served with relish
04:17 PM on 05/27/2012
You're overlooking the "range of molecular velocities" part.  I'm not sure what the statistical distribution would be (e?), but some would be very fast, and "fuzz" any edges of the dispersal, while some would be somewhat slow, and remain near the muzzle longer.
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firewired
Compared to what?
12:48 PM on 02/27/2012
I would prefer my ray gun over a standard gun. It is faster, more colorful, more accurate, and smaller. And it is also great doubling as the heat for my space meals. Who needs microwaves to do that? AND...my ray gun has a Swiss Army knife in the stock with over 200 different uses, too!
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Chris Berman
02:41 PM on 02/26/2012
Actually something a bit more potent than a gun has been shot off in space. Back in the 1970s the USSR had a program that placed military space stations in orbit. It was called ALMAZ. One of the space stations carried a 23 mm cannon for defense. It was test fired in space and it worked. I think the ALMAZ station (which ws a military version of the Salyut space stations) used thrusters to counter any effect of the cannon being fired. Then again the station itself ahd a great deal of mass compared to the recoil of the 23 mm cannon.
10:12 PM on 02/25/2012
I just beer my first 5 drink in a year and man did this article me up mess, I not as drink as you think you drunk...............................Whuuuu Bed I go gotta, spin not I hope....night good.
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onwisco
all the facts left uncovered
03:47 PM on 02/25/2012
Wow - and I believed Abbot and Costello for all these years. (OK if you don't get it)
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Duffy Sinclair
Joe Lefty
08:31 AM on 02/25/2012
Sounds like a really cheap way to send a deep space probe.
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donk970
Hard working member of the 99%
06:36 PM on 02/24/2012
Well; if you fired an M-16 for example, you would have a combination of angular and linear momentum adding up to whatever a 55 grain bullet traveling at 3,200 feet per second has. So for a 180 lb man who held the gun at exactly center of mass he'd end up moving at around 63 feet per second in the opposite direction of the bullet or if off center he would move at a lower velocity with some spin.
04:05 PM on 02/24/2012
What would happen if you fired a gun in space??? What would happen if NASA told us previously about new stars entering our solar system, but we didn't listen??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fusq5yrQ0jw&list=UUgm2Pr7FTSaoH6_2vlm7fqA&index=2&feature=plpp_video
03:20 AM on 02/25/2012
Wow, you found the moon.
Amazing
10:07 AM on 02/26/2012
That would make sense if you thought that NASA controlled all the telescopes in the world -- amatuer and professional -- with an iron fist. Including those in, say, Australia.

Oh, and it might also make sense if that video were not so obviously the moon.
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Michael Steaphens
It's all about liberty.
03:53 AM on 02/24/2012
"What would happen if you shot a gun in space?" The fools of the gun control lobby would want a law against it.
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Debbie338
What we manifest is before us
01:48 PM on 02/24/2012
Way to politicize science once again. You guys can't stop, can you?
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Michael Steaphens
It's all about liberty.
02:09 PM on 02/24/2012
You mad!LOL!
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wolflover3825
Hungry Like the Wolf.
07:18 PM on 02/24/2012
This wasn't the first one, but it was the funniest one. :)
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wolflover3825
Hungry Like the Wolf.
07:17 PM on 02/24/2012
I believe that. They would claim that we would be trying to start a war with ET.
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02:56 AM on 02/24/2012
"'Shooting yourself in the back' works in principle if you shoot a bullet at horizon from the top of a lunar mountain, at 1600 meters per second or so,"

Yes, it can work if you stand there long enough for it to orbit. Or if you come back at the right time later. And in fact since the bullet would be in orbit at that height with nothing to stop it, the bullet would come back many more times on successive orbits through that same spot, so be careful when you go back up that mountain.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
05:46 PM on 02/24/2012
The moon is rotating once a month, so that mountain top would be quite safe.
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08:45 PM on 02/24/2012
But the bullet would be going around faster.
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Chris Berman
02:44 PM on 02/26/2012
Escape velocity on the moon is 2.4 meters per second. I did not work out the numbers but I think the bullet would escape the moon's gravity.
09:53 PM on 02/23/2012
Dark Star!
08:20 AM on 02/24/2012
means time to go to the bathroom and get another beer.
09:50 PM on 02/23/2012
no surprise to me because you can also shoot a gun under water--because there is air inside the cartridge--think about it- the gun chamber is sealed tight-- when the bullet is fired it pushes away the air in the barrel---as the bullet exits the barrel unburned gunpowder then ignites in the open air causing the stippling on objects in the line of fire (CSI)---we did some tests on a 357 loaded with hot rounds photographed in a night firing sequence and got flames 4-5 feet out the end of the barrel---in the 70,s most police shootings happened at 3 feet with 3 shots fired--the winner was usually the first to hit the target---i always figured if i didnt hit him maybe i would blind him----bob