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George Cleveland, Republican Rep, Claims No Extreme Poverty In North Carolina As Preschool Cuts Weighed

Posted: 03/02/12 07:20 PM ET  |  Updated: 03/02/12 11:11 PM ET

There's no such thing as extreme poverty in North Carolina. At least that's what Rep. George Cleveland, a Republican in the state assembly, claimed Thursday in a meeting of state legislators, making himself the latest and perhaps most controversial target of controversy in a heated debate over funding for that state's early childhood programs.

"We have no one in the state of North Carolina living in extreme poverty," he said. "Poverty is you're out there living on a dollar and half a day. I don't think we have anybody in North Carolina doing that."

People who work on poverty issues in the state dismissed this idea as outrageous. Barb Bradley, the head of Action For Children in North Carolina, a nonprofit group, called Cleveland's contention "patently false."

She cited several statistics that added up to a very different picture from the one that Cleveland painted. She said 1 in 10 children in North Carolina live in "extreme poverty," which is defined by the federal government as a household of four living on $11,000 a year. "I had would challenge any legislator to live on 11,000 a year for a family of four and not characterize it as extreme poverty," she said.

Cleveland's comment came as lawmakers and government officials in the North Carolina are fighting over the future of the state's preschool programs, a debate that could have far-reaching implications for the country.

For years, North Carolina was an undisputed leader in the field of early-childhood education. Supported by a string of Democratic governors who were generally seen as progressive on education issues, its public preschool program stood out for a variety of reasons. It received more funding per child than programs in most other states and remains one of only four state programs meeting all 10 benchmarks of quality set by the National Institute for Early Education Research, a nonprofit program that evaluates pre-K programs around the country.

But advocates for children say that state lawmakers are now erasing all those gains.

Last summer, facing the sorts of constraints that have withered government budgets everywhere, the state legislature cut funding for the pre-K education program and the early child care program by 20 percent.

A judge ruled that this violated the state constitution, which states that all children have a right to a free and public education. This ruling set a precedent for requiring the state to provide pre-kindergarten education to poor children.

Since then, lawmakers have attempted to lighten the state's load. They shifted supervision of the pre-K program to a division of the government that oversees private-sector companies, effectively doing away with a set of regulations that guided the program for decades. Observers ascribed this to a broader privatization campaign and pointed to ideological motives; in 2010, North Carolina elected its first majority-Republican legislature in a hundred years.

Two weeks ago, N.C. Attorney General Roy Cooper, a Democrat, filed an appeal of the judge's ruling, arguing that that the state has no obligation to create and maintain a pre-K program for all children. The next day, Governor Bev Perdue, a Democrat and the latest in a line of prominent "education governors" in Raleigh, announced that she'd found enough unused money in the state budget to send an additional 2,000 poor children to preschool. Rep. Justin Burr, the Republican co-chair of a House committee on early childhood, called this a "political stunt" and said the money wasn't readily available. The legislators haven't carried out the governor's order.

Cleveland's "extreme poverty" comment was made at a meeting of the early childhood committee where members hammered out the details of a report on the state's early childhood programs. The full assembly will have an opportunity to review the report and consider its recommendations in May.

The report recommends reducing the number of "at-risk" children on the pre-kindergarten program's waiting list by narrowing the program's eligibility requirements. As it stands, the bar for eligibility is set at 75 percent of the state median income, defined as $51,000 for a family of four. The committee suggested limiting eligibility to children living at or below the poverty level, defined as just more than $22,000 for a family of four.

In the last decade, researchers have accumulated piles of evidence on the importance of early-childhood education for poor kids. "It's been pretty well established that children from disadvantaged backgrounds who grew up in poverty come to kindergarten with a gap in their academic abilities," said Patricia Cole, the director of government relations at Zero to Three, a nonprofit advocacy group. "Research has shown that if you have a high-quality pre-school program it can minimize the gap."

But is that gap big enough in North Carolina to justify describing the state's worst poverty as "extreme?" Alexandra Forter Sirota, the director of the North Carolina Budget and Tax Center, considered that question while riding a bus through the state on a publicity tour on Friday aimed at highlighting the conditions of poverty in North Carolina. She described hearing a story about a family whose house burned down because they couldn't afford electricity. "They were using candles, which caused a house fire that now has displaced the family," she said. "I think those stories make clear that many North Carolinians and North Carolina children are struggling with real economic hardship."

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There's no such thing as extreme poverty in North Carolina. At least that's what Rep. George Cleveland, a Republican in the state assembly, claimed Thursday in a meeting of state legislators, making h...
There's no such thing as extreme poverty in North Carolina. At least that's what Rep. George Cleveland, a Republican in the state assembly, claimed Thursday in a meeting of state legislators, making h...
 
 
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05:51 PM on 03/05/2012
Why are Republicans so anti-humanity? There's enormous wealth in this country and Republicans will fight to take preschool from the most fragile segment in our society.
Why are the Repulicans so heartless to the poor? And yet so happy to protect the Wall Street white collar criminals?
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smithrd4
05:10 PM on 03/05/2012
I teach in NC. I have students who don't have electricity or running water in some cases. This rep. is full of it.
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thesciguy
War is murder writ large.
01:55 PM on 03/05/2012
He has to get his driver to bring the car to the end of the driveway to get a better look.
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Zirnitra
Knowledge is power.
12:18 PM on 03/05/2012
"Extreme poverty is living on a dollar and half a day"? What century is Rep. Cleveland living in?
Of course, what would they know about poverty? 11,000 a year, which is pocket change to some of these people. They think that poverty is living in the dirt, no food, no clean water, and in some parts of the country it is.
But also poverty is not being able to pay the electric, to be on food stamps, some people have a job but are underpaid.
Pre-school help let a family grow but lets the parents work to take care of them. 1 in 10 children in North Carolina live in extreme poverty, and poverty always hits the young ones the hardest.
08:35 PM on 03/04/2012
This may be the reason why Republicans are against welfare because they do not believe people are truly in poverty, despite evidence to the contrary. But then again, Righties tend to ignore statistical facts and scientific theories and facts.
04:02 AM on 03/05/2012
I don't believe there are poor in America either. And let me lay a STATISTICAL FACT on you.

A family of four, who just qualify for welfare in Michigan, are in the top 5% of global wealth.

Americas are spoiled beyond comprehension...
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Natalie Worlow
11:05 AM on 03/05/2012
Honey, just because a family of four could survive on $11,000 a year in Zimbabwe doesn't mean they can survive on that in the US.
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VA Jill
I'm not perfect and neither are you
12:11 PM on 03/04/2012
Apparently he's never set foot outside of his ritzy suburb and the carefully crafted route to "work."
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smithrd4
05:10 PM on 03/05/2012
There are ritzy suburbs in this pit of a state?
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VA Jill
I'm not perfect and neither are you
05:29 PM on 03/05/2012
Gated communities, even.
xansam
all want 2 eat, none want 2B eaten
08:43 AM on 03/04/2012
keep voting Republican, it's like long slow suicide.
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snesich
06:08 AM on 03/04/2012
Well, okay now, in all fairness, this Republican politician, like most of his kind, was just misunderstood, which is so typical for that "liberal" media.

What Mr. Cleveland meant to say was that there was no extreme poverty in the gated "community" filled with 9,000 square foot mansions that he calls his neighborhood.

Nor is there any extreme poverty in the country club he belongs to.

Nor is there any extreme poverty among all the people he knows, which consist of law partners, corporate executives, physicians and people born into rich families.

Nor is there any extreme poverty in his child's private school.

However, someone said to him after this, "But Mr. Cleveland, not everyone in North Carolina lives like you!" And he replied incredulously, "They don't?!?!?"

Today's Republicans. You can have them.
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henrybjennings
08:48 AM on 03/04/2012
Now there you have it. He does not see any poverty from his windows or at the club.
Allthosewhowander
My micro-bio is a microclimate
11:18 AM on 03/04/2012
Thank you for the clarification. Apparently you speak fluent "Repubspeak"
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southingtonian
"I'm a Capricorn and you can't make me do sh*t.."
02:58 AM on 03/04/2012
"We have no one in the state of North Carolina living in extreme poverty," he said. "Poverty is you're out there living on a dollar and half a day. I don't think we have anybody in North Carolina doing that." I am sure with enough time in office, he can correct that situation.
barbara jay
my kid says hi
06:29 PM on 03/04/2012
Sounds to me that if ten percent of the children are living in households in which 11,000 dollars has to support four people, then these children and their parents are, per person, living on less than one dollar per day. When I was in North Carolina in 1964 (with parents, driving through) I was shocked to see the wooden shacks with outhouses behind them. I guess the shacks are still there, almost 50 years later.
04:08 AM on 03/05/2012
And at which public school do you teach math?
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smithrd4
05:11 PM on 03/05/2012
The shacks are still here.
barbara jay
my kid says hi
06:40 PM on 03/04/2012
Woops, did some really bad math here. Was thinking 1100 dollars per year. Even so, I think I'd still be in a shack.
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southingtonian
"I'm a Capricorn and you can't make me do sh*t.."
10:08 PM on 03/04/2012
even at 11,000 for 2 adults, 2 children and no health insurance, that's not enough. If they are working parents, transportation to and from would take a big chunk. Even with a kitchen garden, it would be difficult to have meat on the table more than twice a week. (personal experience talking here).
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southingtonian
"I'm a Capricorn and you can't make me do sh*t.."
02:50 AM on 03/04/2012
and there are no gays in Iran.
11:56 PM on 03/03/2012
Apparently he has never ventured outside the Research Triangle.
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03:24 PM on 03/05/2012
yeah tell me about it! He should come to Robeson Co. the poorest county in the state. a county where the drop out rate is the highest in the nation and babies having babies is a way of life and every year they make cuts in education I now see why
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smithrd4
05:13 PM on 03/05/2012
Not much better here in Hoke. Not quite as bad as Robeson, but definitely not a ton better.
Shesme
My micro-bio will no longer be silent
10:24 PM on 03/03/2012
Flat out denial of reality doesn't help nobody nohow.
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JPETERB
10:54 PM on 03/03/2012
It helps the 1%. Or so they believe, and so it is true for them.
They want the 99% to either agree, not care or keep our mouths shut.
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Reyeshawk13
Just another lefty gun-owner
07:45 PM on 03/03/2012
Clearly, he's wrong, but if he were right it would mean that N.C.'s anti-poverty programs are working even better than thought. All the more reason to continue them and find out what they are doing right.
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Libby123
Wind turbines? Oh, I'm a big fan!
05:54 PM on 03/04/2012
Don't bring logic into this. It'll only result in expensive socialist government controlled healthcare for all the poor Republicans who bust very important blood vessels in their brains when trying to process it.
Winedude
Always enjoying fun in the sun...
05:44 PM on 03/03/2012
What else other than nonsense would one expect to come out of the mouth of the modern Republicans. A more hateful group of people doesn't exist anywhere in the United States. It's truly sad, what has become of the party of Abraham Lincoln, now a collection of ill-educated rectal pores.
04:57 PM on 03/03/2012
These political "leaders" should stop screwing with children's lives and education.