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Hackers Winning Security War, Said Executives At RSA Conference

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First Posted: 03/ 2/2012 3:48 pm Updated: 03/ 3/2012 3:34 pm


By Joseph Menn

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Technology security professionals seeking wisdom from industry leaders in San Francisco this week saw more of the dark side than they had expected: a procession of CEO speakers whose companies have been hacked.

"It's pretty discouraging," said Gregory Roll, who came for advice and to consider buying security software for his employer, a large bank which he declined to name because he was not authorized to speak on its behalf. "It's a constant battle, and we're losing."

The annual RSA Conference, which draws to a close on Friday, brought a record crowd of more than 20,000 as Congress weighs new legislation aimed at better protecting U.S. companies from cyber attacks by spies, criminals and activists.

If the bills suggest that hackers are so far having their way with all manner of companies, the procession of speakers brought it home in a personal way.

The opening presentation by Art Coviello, executive chairman of conference sponsor and recent hacking victim RSA, set the tone with the Rolling Stones song "You Can't Always Get What You Want."

RSA, owned by data storage maker EMC Corp, is the largest provider of password-generating tokens used by government agencies, banks and others to authenticate employees or customers who log on away from the office. Not long after last year's RSA conference, the company said an email with a poisoned attachment had been opened by an employee.

That gave hackers access to the corporate network and they emerged with information about how RSA calculates the numbers displayed on SecurID tokens, which was in turn used in an attack on Lockheed Martin that the defense contractor said it foiled.

Coviello said he hoped his company's misfortune would help foster a sense of urgency in the face of formidable opponents, especially foreign governments, who are being aided by the blurring of personal and professional online activities. Some 70 percent of employees in one survey he cited admitted to subverting corporate rules in order to use social networks or smartphones or get access to other resources, making security that much harder.

"Our networks will be penetrated. People will still make mistakes," Coviello said. He argued that with better monitoring and analysis of traffic inside company networks, "we can manage risk to acceptable levels."

If that didn't inspire enough enthusiasm after the worst year for corporate security in history - including the rise of activist hacks by Anonymous, numerous breaches at Sony Corp, and attacks on Nasdaq software used by corporate boards - there was more to come.

Next onstage was James Bidzos, CEO of core Internet infrastructure company VeriSign, which disclosed in an October securities filing that it had lost unknown data to hackers in 2010. [ID:nL2E8D1DFB] He was followed by Enrique Salem, CEO of the largest security company, Symantec, which recently admitted that source code from 2006 version of its program for gaining remote access to desktop computers had been stolen and published. [ID:nL4E8D77TN]

FBI Director Robert Mueller spoke on Thursday, warning that he expected cyber threats to pass terrorism as the country's top threat.

Though all sounded an upbeat call to arms, some watching grumbled that vendors with little credibility were trying to use their own shortcomings to peddle more expensive and unproven technology.

"There's some panic" among the buyers, said a security official with ING Groep NV who asked not to be named because he was not authorized to speak to the press. Banks are very sensitive to questions about security breaches and often deny they have any significant problems in this area.

That panic contributed to vigorous panel discussions and hallway debates about who should be in charge of safeguarding defense companies, banks and utilities - private industry itself, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security or the National Security Agency, which has the greatest capability but a legacy of civil liberties issues.

A pending bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid would put DHS in the lead, with assistance from NSA. Former NSA chief Michael Hayden said in an interview at the conference that should suffice.

"The Net is inherently insecure," Hayden said. "We need to quit admiring the problem and move out. No position could be worse than the one we're in now."

Coviello said one of the few pieces of good news was that the country as a whole is now realizing the gravity of the loss of its trade and government secrets, along with the difficulty of reversing the trend.

"People have definitely talked more seriously after our breach," he said in an interview. "Maybe a sense of realism has settled in."

(Reporting By Joseph Menn; Editing by Richard Chang)

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09:33 AM on 03/06/2012
Hahaha, lollool, Sabu just got arrested, and not surprising one bit, turned on the others and is coperating with the gov. hehehe
12:01 PM on 03/06/2012
And your using a copy righted image. hehehe.
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Tim Batty
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01:25 PM on 03/05/2012
you can build the highest walls, others will go over it. dig the deepest moat, others will go over it.
Lock it away behind the thickest door, it will be removed at its hinge. Information is the kings new crown. Clarity is what the masses demand.
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PenguinLinux
got root ?
10:33 AM on 03/05/2012
Nothing is secure. Everything is hackable, most of all being the end-user that is all-too-of­ten the weakest link in Security. That being said, you can reduce, but never eliminate, the probabilit­y of intrusion. One must look at depth of security in each layer, probabilit­y of intrusion in each layer, and as an overall to the entire related technologi­cal and biological ecosystems of your environmen­t as well.

Security is a mindset. It's a way of thinking, acting, and being 24/7/365 in all areas online and off. The rest of it is just tools. Some tools are better than others for their capabilities to do certain things, but it's up to the person to have the abilities to use the tools.
10:55 AM on 03/05/2012
Hey, arent we supposed to disagree? lol
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PenguinLinux
got root ?
11:39 AM on 03/05/2012
I disagree that we are supposed to disagree. Don't you agree? (GRIN)
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rigmoten
RELEASE THE TAXES
10:19 AM on 03/05/2012
Criminals are always one step ahead of law enforcement.
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Tim Batty
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01:21 PM on 03/05/2012
Outlaw keyboards, only criminals will use keyboards.
12:24 AM on 03/05/2012
Many people ate talking about hackers like heroes. Umm, they are not talking about groups out there causing some hacks but do nothing to actually cause harm to innocent people.

These groups have changed. No longer is the danger spme guy in his basement. Most of the hackers people actuality worry about are well financed and professional. We are talking state financed or crimminally financed.
I have tracked a lot of attacks. China, Iran, etc. Years ago one such group shut down the country Estonia. For more than a week the country didn't seem to exist. No Internet, so no phone, no banking, no rail, etc. Imagine the impact of that in NY, for instance. No miltary first strike would be as efficient or devrstating as an effective Internet assault.

Hacking corporations is often about money. Hacking the federal government from another country is more akin to an act of war, but has yet to be classified as such, so there are no retaliatory avenues set.
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jalaroc
12:24 AM on 03/05/2012
DHS is a bad bureaucratic joke and considering the lack of foreign assets or experience, I doubt they'll be very effective. A big reason for hacker success is complacency. Law enforcement knew about a server hosting a massive Russian scam ring that was located in the U.S and did nothing about it for 10 years.
09:02 PM on 03/04/2012
Newsflash:
Software companies sell crappy coded products. Hackers couldn't hack, unless there were holes in the overprice products. Considering the time span between most upgrades, cleaning up the code and closing holes should be simple. Hackers can find them with ease, are you telling me the software makers can't? Or is it, they can't fix it? Why are they selling it then?
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Paul Andrews
How To Absolutely Secure Your Computer
08:41 PM on 03/04/2012
I have an ebook on AMAZON, "How To Protect Your Computer From Hackers, Viruses And All Malware" that shows you how to access the web with NO POSSIBILITY of being hacked or infected.
11:15 PM on 03/04/2012
If it doesn't start with "Step 1- disconnect from the internet", it's a waste of time.
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PenguinLinux
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10:26 AM on 03/05/2012
When you connect to the Internet, your OS has open ports to let data in that you want to get, such as port 80, and you also allow certain protocols such as HTTP which use certain ports (80, 443, 8000, 8080, and others as well for various applications), so if you lock out those ports and protocol, you won't be able to be connected to the Internet (and I mean more than just to the web, which is not the Internet, only part of it.)

In short, your book lies.
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Paul Andrews
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11:50 PM on 03/06/2012
are you on drugs ? where did i say that port 80 would be closed ? My book dosent say that either. YOU LIE
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07:07 PM on 03/04/2012
Hacking is playful curiosity. Cracking is breaching security for illicit purposes.
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JWerner
Beware Macduff; beware the thane of Fife!
08:14 PM on 03/04/2012
Cracking is often just associated with safes and other locks. 'Cracking a safe', etc. Hacking is usually the term applied to ANY penetration of computer security, regardless of motive. That's how it's done in the public eye, at least.
06:54 PM on 03/04/2012
Isn't this the "market self-regulation" you hoped for? If your company is evil and involved with murder, torture, and war. Or violence against this planet we all share and rely on for food. If you try to claim ownership over what was never yours to begin with. If youur business models sole focus is to profit of the defenceless then you should probably start paying the hack tax. What's that you may ask. Well for a start right the wrongs and go from there.
06:07 PM on 03/04/2012
internet fights back when government tries to control it. the piracy "problem" is just hollywood trying to stop popular home made movies from making money or being recognized. funny, how the same people that said
The VCR will ruin the movie industry are saying Piracy is ruining the movie industry.
09:03 PM on 03/04/2012
Agreed.
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Areya
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05:09 PM on 03/04/2012
The infrastructure for the internet in the US was built to connect the supercomputing sites for research/military purposes. And like most technology developed for the military, it was made available for civilian/consumer use with visions of big bucks. This is the outcome. TOO BAD.
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JWerner
Beware Macduff; beware the thane of Fife!
05:44 PM on 03/04/2012
Indeed. It's been a double-edged sword. On the one hand, there have been major economic, social, and even scientific benefits over the past 20-30 years. On the other hand, we have to deal with security risks, etc.
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madcityy
02:52 PM on 03/04/2012
this is obmas fault..............why dunt he fix this??????????????
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MetrointheWoods
12:22 PM on 03/04/2012
I own a company that relies heavily on technology. From my position, the biggest issue I see is that too many people have way too much access to too much (useless) information. Employees do not need access to Facebook or ANY instant messenger service while they're on my clock. Wikipedia is not an acceptable source for anyone making a living wage and receptionists do not need laptops.
While I know these views may seem draconian in nature, I see them as just common sense. Nobody wants their doctor learning via Wikipedia and nobody wants their lawyer preoccupied with being liked on Facebook. I hold myself and my employees to a higher standard and it shows in our work...it's time the rest of the World starts doing the same.
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JWerner
Beware Macduff; beware the thane of Fife!
05:47 PM on 03/04/2012
No trained professional would treat Wikipedia as a 'source' for any scholarly works or anything professional-level. . .the idea is laughable. At that level, all Wikipedia's really good for is as a 'place to start' when conducting research, and it's fairly useful in that regard. You check the sourced links for Wikipedia and move along from there.

As for Facebook, you've got a point. Social websites and the like really have no place in an office environment, though I'm sure there would be a few exceptions for special cases (family crisis ongoing and Facebook is a major means of communication, etc).
06:04 PM on 03/04/2012
wikipedia is fine. people like you are one of the reasons teachers think its fake.
everyone can edit it, until it gets changed 30 seconds later because you didn't have valid sources to change the post.

edit a wiki page, see how long it takes to get fixed.. i changed a period to a comma and it was changed in 2 minutes 30 seconds.
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JWerner
Beware Macduff; beware the thane of Fife!
08:17 PM on 03/04/2012
That too. There's a lot of people who make a point to ensure factual correctness. With articles covering more controversial topics, it can get rather hectic at times.

Then there's the Wikipedia staff itself, which usually makes some efforts to ensure factual correctness without censoring.
11:52 AM on 03/04/2012
As I watched the Discovery Channel last night's presentation of the Unabomber ,Ted Kaczynski I was reminded of his 'manifesto' and disdain for technology. I was reminded of the Luddites and their struggles against the rush into the industrial age. The historical timeline of mans advancement is plain to see and the lure to 'probably' allow his exuberance to round the next bend with out sufficient wisdom is easy to comprehend. It would seem the hackers find the only way to prevent the unstoppable force from meeting the immovable object is to slow it down to a crawl by any and all means. IMO things are gonna get very messy.