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Al Fischer, Gay Catholic Music Teacher, Fired From Music Director Job At Catholic Church

Al Fischer Fired

First Posted: 03/05/2012 6:38 pm Updated: 03/05/2012 6:38 pm

By Elizabathe Holland
St. Louis Post-Dispatch

FLORISSANT, Mo. (RNS) A Catholic school music teacher who was fired after church officials learned that he planned to marry his male partner has been fired from his other job as a music director at a suburban Catholic church.

Al Fischer, 46, was told by a priest at St. Rose Philippine Duchesne Catholic Church in Florissant that he could no longer work as one of the parish's part-time music directors, a paid position he's held for several years, according to Fischer's partner, Charlie Robin.

The reason given by the priest, according to Robin, was that Fischer's firing and pending marriage had become "too public of an issue." The pastor at St. Rose could not be reached for comment.

Fischer declined to comment, and a spokeswoman for the Archdiocese of St. Louis said in an email that Fischer "was relieved of his duties (at St. Rose) when he publicly demonstrated a life inconsistent with Catholic teaching."

The spokeswoman said expectations for church employees are laid out in "the Christian Witness Statement that is on the first page of the Parish Employee Handbook." The email said the witness statement applies to all employees of the archdiocese, parishes and schools.

Fischer was fired Feb. 17 from his job as music teacher at St. Ann Catholic School in Normandy, Mo., where he'd taught for four years. Several sources have said Fischer's sexual orientation was well known at the school.

According to Robin, officials first took action against Fischer after a representative of the archdiocese overheard Fischer talking to co-workers about the couple's plan to marry in New York City on March 9.

Robin said Fischer signed a Christian Witness Statement at St. Ann, but that he was never asked to sign such a document at St. Rose.

The witness statement says all who serve in Catholic education should, among other requirements, "not take a public position contrary to the Catholic Church" and "demonstrate a public life consistent with the teachings of the Catholic Church."

Robin said he was particularly upset over the firing from St. Rose, where Robin is a cantor and the two have attended Mass for years and are pictured as a couple in the parish directory.

"He's not up there demanding the liturgy to be pro-gay," Robin said. "Al is not causing this ruckus. Al is doing his best to stay above all this because he's more hurt than anything."

(Elizabethe Holland writes for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch in St. Louis.)

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Richard Juarez
U.S. Air Force and Army National Guard Veteran
04:08 AM on 01/15/2013
he should have never been hired
09:06 PM on 03/08/2012
Gay Catholic, a perfect oxymoron isn't it?
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mcmutter
A Groover has to expect a few setbacks .....
08:26 PM on 03/08/2012
gotcha ....

boxes of sex abuse notes introduced into the Philadelphia sex abuse trial ..... jurors will be allowed to examine the boxes of church records ......

another huge settlement coming .....
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iknowscottyknows
05:30 PM on 03/08/2012
So if a pastor is having an affair and won't resign, he's a hypocrite.

But if the pastor is having an affair with a man, he'd be a hero?

That's pretty accurate for the left's understanding of church discipline. You cannot be in ministry, and certainly cannot be a leader of a ministry, if you are in sin and unrepentent.
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elblanc0
Whatever good things we build end up building us.
09:38 PM on 03/08/2012
Pederasty, apparently, doesn't count against their sin totals.
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JBaker
fictio cedit veritati
10:20 PM on 03/08/2012
The article is about a music director, not a 'pastor'.

Since sex is not a sin, the question of being "unrepentant" is open to question. Then again, there is the curious question of why Roman Catholic priests are 'bad' if they want to marry just as the other members of the congregation do. But the flimsy rational for that was deflated long ago.
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blizzard man robot voice
03:33 PM on 03/08/2012
I wish the Catholic church would focus less on homosexuality and more on the teachings of Jesus.
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iknowscottyknows
05:33 PM on 03/08/2012
Since his teachings focus on sin, that would be impossible.
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JBaker
fictio cedit veritati
10:22 PM on 03/08/2012
And since Jesus never condemned homosexuality as a sin, well, that point is moot. But then again, the gospel repeatedly refers to John as "the disciple whom Jesus loved". Not my opinion, just what the gospel tells us...
02:34 PM on 03/08/2012
The Catholic Church should stop pushing people away soon they will be left with empty churches.
06:11 PM on 03/08/2012
So said Nero.
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Zilo
Indie--The GOP opposes critical thinking
01:47 PM on 03/08/2012
This is like with GOProud and the Republican party. Why would you want to be part of a group that openly hates you? It doesn't make any sense.
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10:42 AM on 03/08/2012
At some point gays will realize that belonging to an institution that has for centuries, persecuted their ilk, is not in their best interests.

The energies condemning the church on their membership requirements are wasted. They are better spent on the real crimes that are going unaddressed: systemic child rape over the decades, the shielding of those criminals and the obstruction of justice.
11:18 AM on 03/08/2012
Bashing the Church will not change their belief system.
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11:25 AM on 03/08/2012
Let's try it anyway. Bashing the church has caused enough to recognize the bigoted superstition they spread, and helped arrest it.

At one time the church ruled the world, it is no longer the case
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09:26 AM on 03/08/2012
Too bad they weren't as keen in firing and in helping prosecute all their child abusing priests. The church has a double standard-one for itself and its clergy and one for everyone else.

Another interesting question is why aren't they investigating all those Catholic women who are usuing birth control. They would be easy to spot-married for several year but no kids or just one or two kids. But guess what, if they went after these women, there would be very few people in church on Sunday. This would mean less money so they'll just sit this one out-much safer to go after individuals than a whole mass of people.
11:19 AM on 03/08/2012
I suppose you are in Catholic bedrooms a lot, since you seem to know who is practicing birth control.
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Zilo
Indie--The GOP opposes critical thinking
01:26 PM on 03/08/2012
Obviously you don't read the news. Catholic women *admit* to using birth control.

You can bury your head in the sand, but it won't change the facts.
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lcr999
scientist
11:35 PM on 03/07/2012
Actually, there is more justification for firing him from the Church Music director position than from the school music teacher position. The first is arguably a ministerial position and the latter is more arguably a lay position.

Frankly, I think they have more important things to worry about, but.....
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JBaker
fictio cedit veritati
10:26 PM on 03/08/2012
The RC church does not regard the organist as a member of the clergy. Protestant congregations sometimes do, but not in the RC church.
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lcr999
scientist
11:02 PM on 03/08/2012
It says he was Music Director, not organist.

And recently a church was able to argue to the SCOTUS that a teacher was subject to the pastoral exclusion. Hard to tell.
11:02 PM on 03/07/2012
Christianity is an immoral religion.

This is a religion that never helped its adherents to be moral. No wonder they have done these.

- Inquisition in Spain and Goa
- Crusades
- Ethnic cleansing of American Indians
- SIavery
- Lynchings
- The Anti Chinese league of the Americas
- Jim Crowe
- The HoIocaust. Read the antisemitic rantings of Martin Luther the founder of the Protestant movement that was the impetus for the Holocaust.
- Separate churches for blacks and whites in the bible belt.
- BIood Iibel. Read in Wikipedia about this.. OMG! What eviI!

In today's world the vast majority of so the called christians are fortunately social christians (church for weddings and funerals only). These social christians use their own moral compass and reject all the vile doctrine of this godforsaken religion called christianity.
11:20 AM on 03/08/2012
Yawn - another Christ hater.

How many times must He be crucified?
01:00 PM on 03/08/2012
Isn't he a convenient patsy for y'all to take the sins of all the christians who are out there who are free to continue committing more and more sins?

Enoguh already!
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Zilo
Indie--The GOP opposes critical thinking
01:28 PM on 03/08/2012
Well actually there's no proof he was crucified even ONCE.

Sounds like you'd like to crawl up on the cross though...
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blizzard man robot voice
03:38 PM on 03/08/2012
It is not Christianity that is immoral. It is the people using Christianity to justify their evils, which is immoral.

I believe all of those historical incidents to be done by white men, Americans, and Europeans. Should we all say that white, male Americans and Europeans are immoral?

I know what has been done in the past cannot be undone, but why should we be subjected to the sins of our ancestors?
06:17 PM on 03/08/2012
'I believe all of those historical incidents to be done by white men, Americans, and Europeans. '

Ghengis Khan, Idi Amin, and Pol Pot would beg to differ
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bryanzth
Honest to Goodness USA Patriot!
10:14 PM on 03/07/2012
Don't you think they are doing this for the political effect?

Tax the RCC now. Until American Catholic Bishops' eyes bulge out.

BZ.
11:21 AM on 03/08/2012
Let's tax everyone - including the almost one half of American households who pay no income tax.
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bryanzth
Honest to Goodness USA Patriot!
11:41 AM on 03/08/2012
Oh, you.

Back up your assertion with citations. No bagguer sites.

BZ.
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JBaker
fictio cedit veritati
01:08 AM on 03/09/2012
But let's start with the churches, including back taxes for, oh, say, the past 250 years. I am certain they will be delighted to help pay for the roads and utilities that serve them.
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JBaker
fictio cedit veritati
01:06 AM on 03/09/2012
LOL!

Fanned and faved.
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bryanzth
Honest to Goodness USA Patriot!
09:37 AM on 03/09/2012
Thank you very much! I hope that you have a full and productive morning! And a fun one, too.

After all, tonight is Holiday for the Church of the FSM:
http://www.venganza.org/

Have lots of fun! Arrgghh!

BZ.
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iknowscottyknows
06:58 PM on 03/07/2012
Too much Wurlitzer and not enough Steinway.
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bryanzth
Honest to Goodness USA Patriot!
10:15 PM on 03/07/2012
Wurlitzer Theatre Organ or Wurlitzer Church Organ?

There is a diff! ;o)

BZ.
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llstudent
Tax churches now!
06:29 PM on 03/07/2012
oh yeah but pedophiles are just fine, the Catholic church is despicable.
11:22 AM on 03/08/2012
oh yeah but silly comparisons are just fine, your post is irrelevant.
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llstudent
Tax churches now!
02:24 PM on 03/09/2012
OH i am crying NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT AND i COULD GIVE A F what you think of me, get a clue you bigot.
08:18 AM on 03/07/2012
This makes me extremely appreciative that, at an all-girl Catholic high school (not affiliated with our diocese), we are able to have and accept four lesbian teachers. They don't talk about it a lot (apparently one did), but then again, many of the teachers don't talk about their husbands or wives, so it doesn't make a difference. I mean, one of them rides to school with a car that has a sticker that says, "Lesbians are people Too!", and nobody gets upset.
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Lou on Vancouver Island
Allin, Lou: Mystery Author
05:16 PM on 03/07/2012
Glad to hear that. Amazing!
11:23 AM on 03/08/2012
Still putting teeth under your pillow?