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Kiribati Global Warming Fears: Entire Nation May Move To Fiji

By NICK PERRY 03/ 9/12 07:06 AM ET AP

-- Fearing that climate change could wipe out their entire Pacific archipelago, the leaders of Kiribati are considering an unusual backup plan: moving the populace to Fiji.

Kiribati President Anote Tong told The Associated Press on Friday that his Cabinet this week endorsed a plan to buy nearly 6,000 acres on Fiji's main island, Viti Levu. He said the fertile land, being sold by a church group for about $9.6 million, could be insurance for Kiribati's entire population of 103,000, though he hopes it will never be necessary for everyone to leave.

"We would hope not to put everyone on one piece of land, but if it became absolutely necessary, yes, we could do it," Tong said. "It wouldn't be for me, personally, but would apply more to a younger generation. For them, moving won't be a matter of choice. It's basically going to be a matter of survival."

Kiribati, which straddles the equator near the international date line, has found itself at the leading edge of the debate on climate change because many of its atolls rise just a few feet above sea level.

Tong said some villages have already moved and there have been increasing instances of sea water contaminating the island's underground fresh water, which remains vital for trees and crops. He said changing rainfall, tidal and storm patterns pose as least as much threat as ocean levels, which so far have risen only slightly.

Some scientists have estimated the current level of sea rise in the Pacific at about 2 millimeters (0.1 inches) per year. Many scientists expect that rate to accelerate due to climate change.

Fiji, home to about 850,000 people, is about 1,400 miles south of Kiribati. But just what people there think about potentially providing a home for thousands of their neighbors remains unclear. Tong said he's awaiting full parliamentary approval for the land purchase, which he expects in April, before discussing the plan formally with Fijian officials.

Sharon Smith-Johns, a spokeswoman for the Fijian government, said several agencies are studying Kiribati's plans and the government will release a formal statement next week.

Kiribati, which was known as the Gilbert Islands when it was a British colony, has been an independent nation since 1979.

Tong has been considering other unusual options to combat climate change, including shoring up some Kiribati islands with sea walls and even building a floating island. He said this week that the latter option would likely prove too expensive, but that he hopes reinforcing some islands will ensure that Kiribati continues to exist in some form even in a worst-case scenario.

"We're trying to secure the future of our people," he said. "The international community needs to be addressing this problem more."

Tong said he hopes that the Fiji land will represent just one of several options for relocating people. He pointed out that the land is three times larger than the atoll of Tarawa, currently home to more than half of Kiribati's population.

Although like much of the Pacific, Kiribati is poor – its annual GDP per person is just $1,600 – Tong said the country has plenty of foreign reserves to draw from for the land purchase. The money, he said, comes from phosphate mining on the archipelago in the 1970s.

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-- Fearing that climate change could wipe out their entire Pacific archipelago, the leaders of Kiribati are considering an unusual backup plan: moving the populace to Fiji. Kiribati President Anote ...
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08:27 PM on 03/12/2012
Good luck finding a local moving company!! Sorry, there's only room for two coconuts each in the dug-out!!
02:56 PM on 03/12/2012
sadly there has been little outrage as virtually the entire population of interior Alaska has been forced to move as high fuel prices have made it quite impossible to keep a house warm at -40... now it's illegal to burn wood and coal
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08:35 AM on 03/13/2012
Oh well if its too cold just move elsewhere. Humans don't have to live everywhere . ask the tuaregs in africa if its too cold they'll tell ya. GRRR!! I h8 people who complain about trivial stuff.
01:08 PM on 03/13/2012
That's the beauty of global warming, one day we'll move to Alaska, Canada, and Siberia because that where the food is grown cheap and vast land for vacation homes.
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01:35 PM on 03/12/2012
and they are all moving to US.
01:11 AM on 03/12/2012
Kiribati imports 53% of all food just to feed its people. Tells you a bit about population control or lack of it. Nice folks there tho.
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Nirzwan Bandolin
10:13 AM on 03/14/2012
Its tough because the people are good but they need to control the population. A lot of countries need to do this. Its a terrible burden.
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SFTor
11:08 PM on 03/11/2012
Here is some interesting information from a post by Willis Eschenbach on Watts Up With That:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/10/so-many-people-so-little-rain/#more-58768

For those allergic to WUWT, I'll summarize:

Drought has been an ongoing problem in Kiribati since measurements began---with droughts often lasting eighteen months to three years.

The i-Kiribati have been resettled before on two separate occasions, once to Fiji (Rabi Island,) where they still live today. The second wave went to the Solomons when the Japanese were threatening to invade during WWII, first to the Phoenix Islands that had water problems, then to Wagina and Gizo, where things worked out.

Population growth is the second major problem. In 1950 there were 30,000 i-Kiribati, today they are over 100,000. They are taking out three times more water from limited resources, and are experiencing the consequences.

It is a very good post. Check it out for more info.
ubrew12
that crazy uncle from Amarcord
12:23 AM on 03/12/2012
Nice post. So, they are running out of rainfall, as well as being threatened with inundation by seawater. A quote from your article: "changing rainfall, tidal and storm patterns pose as least as much threat as ocean levels, which so far have risen only slightly." Of course, as we all know, AGW only affects sea level (LOL).

Question: Given that this move is primarily related to population growth, as WUWT admits, why would anyone feel comforted knowing that AGW is happening as well? As this Kiribati move indicates: don't we have enough troubles?
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SFTor
04:16 AM on 03/12/2012
It appears that the trend in Kiribati is the opposite of what we think:

"And the research showed similar trends in the Republic of Kiribati, where the three main urbanised islands also “grew” – Betio by 30 percent (36ha), Bairiki by 16.3 percent (5.8ha) and Nanikai by 12.5 percent (0.8ha)."

So over the last 60 years, while sea level has risen 2 mm per year, for a total of 120 mm, or about 4 inches, the islands have actually grown. (ha are hectares.)

Full article here:

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/nz-research-shows-pacific-islands-not-shrinking-3577883

This increase in land mass is of course dwarfed by the rising population.

I am not sure it would be right to say they are "running out of rainfall." They just have a lot of droughts in the area, and apparently always have.
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bluestems
10:13 AM on 03/12/2012
Yes, droughts have always occurred. The difference today is that it will be more likely and getting more extreme. Rising waters will rise faster, 3'-5' in the next 100 years. And global population is growing exponentially. So, as we continue to increase population, food production and fresh water resources will be further depleted. It's not a good outlook, but kudos to the Kiribati for looking towards planning for it.

Think of it this way: we've always had hurricane 5s, but global warming increases the odds that a normal storm will become more intense. It's like if rolling a 6 on a dice meant a storm would be a level 5 hurricane. Global warming is then like a loaded dice... with two sixes on each dice, so the chances are increased on a greater storm. This applies to other climatic conditions: droughts, snow storms, etc.
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SFTor
01:31 PM on 03/12/2012
There is absolutely no sign anywhere that weather has gotten more extreme---period. No change in the frequency or severity of storms or droughts. Sorry to break the news to you.

The i-Kiribati have fallen down in one important area: population control. There's too many of them on too little land, with too little water. That's the problem.
01:12 PM on 03/13/2012
The U.S. hasn't had a category 3 hurricane make landfall in over 6 years.

"Global warming is like .... two sixes on each dice". Talk about anti-science.
cosmicdart
paragon of paradigms
10:52 PM on 03/11/2012
Since Kiribati is on the equator, it would make a very good launch site for the Japanese Space Agency's rockets. Why don't they let the Japanese wall their biggest island in to be used as a space satellite launching facility? Japan could buy the island from them. China could also do this.
ubrew12
that crazy uncle from Amarcord
12:24 AM on 03/12/2012
You can build a wall on sand, but the Bible has something to say about that...
10:37 PM on 03/12/2012
Don't do it or you'll get stoned to death?
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SFTor
04:02 AM on 03/12/2012
So, let's see. The Japanese would transport their rockets to a remote island in the middle of the Pacific, 3,203 miles away from the nearest port in Japan. Does that strike you as somewhat impractical?
cosmicdart
paragon of paradigms
08:12 AM on 03/12/2012
This is what they'd need to do to get to the equator where they my launch their rocket taking advantage of the rotation of the Earth. They need their own equatorial launch site. The trip would cost a million dollars, but the rocket plus satellite would be worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Rockets should be launched under ideal conditions. They better get this site before the Chinese do! The sea wall around the island would need to be anchored to the sea floor under the sand. If Holland can do it, so can the Japanese.
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10:14 PM on 03/11/2012
I listened to Kiribati President Anote Tong on NPR (Morning Edition, Thursday if memory serves me right,) and he explicitly stated that the Fiji land purchase was a real estate investment and nothing more. Kiribati has a sizable investment portfolio, purchased with money from its phosphate mining in the 1970s, and President Tong said that he wanted to diversify it. When explicitly asked whether the land purchase was to migrate the population, he said no.
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rodjard
I Update my brain frequently
09:14 PM on 03/11/2012
As the carbon builds up and further envelopes us
trapping more heat and depleting more oxygen
we will become sicker, more ice will melt, water
levels will rise further. Is their anything about that
anyone with a lick of sense doesn.t understand?
09:49 PM on 03/11/2012
It doesnt deplete oxygen worth you even making the new issue out of it.
The rest is nonsenseMost of you are sick now
Fear does that.
Try that lick.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
10:17 PM on 03/11/2012
Combustion of fossil fuels is consuming our oxygen. An internet trooooII is the last place we would look for solid knowledge on it.
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rodjard
I Update my brain frequently
12:46 AM on 03/12/2012
We are losing three oxygen molecules in our atmosphere for each carbon dioxide molecule that is produced when we burn fossil fuels. Studies of ice cores and recent data from direct atmospheric sampling have shown that there has been a 30% increase in carbon dioxide since the beginning of the industrial age. With that in mind I asked Dr. Keeling how much oxygen has been depleted from the atmosphere in that same time frame. He responded that, "A reasonable estimate for how much O2 has been lost since the beginning of the industrial revolution can be based on the estimated loss due to fossil-fuel emissions, which can be calculated from records of the amount of each fuel type burnt and its combustion ratio. Such records are not readily available online, but I have figures

Read more: http://blogcritics.org/scitech/article/atmospheric-oxygen-levels-fall-as-carbon/#ixzz1osHydj86
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doriath22
Born-again Jacobin. Robespierre had the right idea
08:01 PM on 03/12/2012
Actually, it is entirely possible that O2 will increase along with CO2, because of increased plant growth ( a consequence of higher CO2), we may be in fact heading towards an atmosphere more like the Carboniferous Era. Anyone for six-inch wingspan mosquitoes?
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rodjard
I Update my brain frequently
08:30 AM on 03/13/2012
But then we are cutting down more plant growth than it has
time to replenish. What changes nature took eons of time to
do we destroy in just a few years. We have went fron 30%
oxygen at the begining of the 20th Centure to 20% now and
have also reduced plant growth significaantly.
We do not have time to wait for nature to adjust itself to our
needs. What we destroy, we naad to replace. It wont just
happen.

A merchant or banker cannot just change ecoomic reality
merely by making changes in a ledger book. Putting 99cents
on the end of a price doesn't make it a dollar cheaper.

A clergyman cannot alter human social behavior simply
by changing their sermon or reinterpreting the Bible. Nancy
or Tommy will still do what comes naturally.

It is far past time to get real.
08:51 PM on 03/11/2012
Ya think that with all that phosphate mining that the island light be sinking. Plug the holes!
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grappler1987
Heaven is a gift, not a reward
07:37 PM on 03/11/2012
Chicago raised their ground 6 feet over 150 years ago.

Galveston raised their ground 8 feet over 100 years ago.

Raising the ground should be an option.
ubrew12
that crazy uncle from Amarcord
09:07 PM on 03/11/2012
They should try eating cake too.
09:47 PM on 03/11/2012
They have
It was good.
01:12 AM on 03/12/2012
What do you raise ground WITH on an atoll in the mid pacific?
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grappler1987
Heaven is a gift, not a reward
10:24 AM on 03/12/2012
Hmm ... Galveston is an island too. How did they do it? When you answer that question, you'll see how an island in the middle of the Pacific can do it too, and the people of Galveston did this over a century ago. Humans are amazing.

http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=46995
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05:09 PM on 03/11/2012
Obviously we are too late to stop the increase in water...
there is nowhere
BETTER to direct its flow...
and there are going to be islands lost
because
it was more important to those who HAVE
to live out the resort possibility hard and fast...
while they could...
its not like they are going to be around much past fifty anyway
with the hard, fast ..money life...
They never think about the REAL people though..
it is as much as a curse as a blessing to find your ancestors living on a warm, inviting island...
for years people who lived up north..snuggled in...knowing how unattractive their surroundings were to the rich...
so the rich got snooty and made ultimate challenges..to wager money on who would suffer us out just to SUFFER US...
all the while speeding up the destruction of our ecosystems...
maybe if we sent out ships with big solar panels...dragging along behind them..over time...
starting now..we could dry up some of the oceans...
or something more scientific with the same end.
09:50 PM on 03/11/2012
Stop with the propaganda.
ubrew12
that crazy uncle from Amarcord
10:33 PM on 03/11/2012
I really welcome your comments vakh. They really speak to the seriousness with which you take this issue.
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01:24 PM on 03/11/2012
I got some bad news for all the "usual suspects" this argument is OVER and you LOSE! It's only a matter of time until reality intrudes on your lies. When it does everyone will want to know who delayed any action and I will be there to point a finger and place blame squarely where it belongs. It's gonna be fun because like the cigarette industry it's gonna cost you big bucks when the truth finally come out. I for one look forward to it!!!!!!
ubrew12
that crazy uncle from Amarcord
02:19 PM on 03/11/2012
It's sad because the deniers got one thing right: the Earth is huge and responds only slowly to human actions. But since we've been 'pushing' on Earth with excess CO2 for 150 years and its climate is finally 'moving', this extremely slow response time now works against us. It means we can do everything we can, now, to combat global warming, and the climate will continue to worsen for another 20-30 years. If we wait another 10 years to take serious action, as seems likely, it'll go that much worse for the coming generations.
09:51 PM on 03/11/2012
Get your head out and see daylight
Same mantra.
01:20 PM on 03/13/2012
10,000 years ago, Wisconsin was under the ice pack, so we know the earth has been warming, but long before man started driving Camaros. And, we know that there have been epochs in history where the earth was a lot hotter then than it is today.

So you take some facts, like the global cooling between 1940 and 1970, ignore that, and only graph the temperature changes from 1970 to 2000, and you guys are convinced. Fact is, we are in a cooling period now, nobody is going to destroy the economy over cherry-picked data and biased graphs.
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08:57 PM on 03/11/2012
The AGW deniers out in force down here are just not getting it. It matters not one whit what they think of Al Gore or how much they protest that of course there's no such thing. The article speaks for itself. An ENTIRE country is going to move because it is becoming untenable. That's kinda hard to refute.

You know, I also take some scant consolation in realizing that our annual natural disaster bills are going to be in the trillions, and probably for several years, and probably fairly shortly, before we're all gung-ho about jumping on the global warming bandwagon. After all, it's pretty humiliating to live in the only developed nation on the planet where half of us think there's a global warming "debate." Sure, it's going to serve everybody really stupid here right.

But the fact of the matter is that for those disaster bills to get there is going to involve not just money, but immense human suffering and tragedy. For shame.
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Too Handsome
Conservatives work, liberals are the entertainment
12:11 PM on 03/11/2012
The problem with "climate scientists" is that they are all paid by the same governments and alarmist interest groups to come to certain conclusions...and guess what?...they do. This does not make them credible or correct...it only keeps them employed.
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Arthur Walsh
The Shadow Knows!
01:12 PM on 03/11/2012
Please educate me! Provide links to those governments that are paying all the scientists. I won't wait.
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01:22 PM on 03/13/2012
Surely you know that most of the science is coming from the public universities, that are funded by the government either directly or with grants that they award.
ubrew12
that crazy uncle from Amarcord
01:17 PM on 03/11/2012
Many climate scientists have tenure: they are employed regardless of the opinions they hold. Exhibit A: Richard Lindzen. Exhibit B: Roy Spencer
"all paid by the same governments" climate scientists are all over the planet. To the extent that you're talking about the gov'ts of Planet Earth, I suppose you're correct. Sorta.
Finally: it doesn't matter. They publish in peer-reviewed journals, where their thought processes and data inputs are there for everyone to see.

Yours is a completely jaundiced opinion about how science is done. Basically, you are proposing a scientific conspiracy. Can you name another scientific conspiracy in human history (that's conspiracy, not hoax - a conspiracy has EVERYBODY'S buy-in)? How much money does a climate modeller have to pay an Arctic researcher to 'confirm' the summer melt that comes out of his predictions? You're talking thousands of scientists, of which only a few hundred are climatologists: and you're calling them ALL liars. Maybe. Maybe, rather, you're hallucinating...
10:01 PM on 03/11/2012
And all of them are suported directly or indirectly by the government largesse
So dont try your coverup.
No a conspiracy can be only a few people
Or even two
Maybe youre hallucinating
Scientists dont need grants????
Where is the well for them ???
The gov.
Whats the best way to get them??/
Follow the MANTRA.
How many grants from the gov are given to scientists who are against global warming.
Are there any at all???????
11:05 AM on 03/11/2012
Well, the usual suspects, and a few new ones, are downthread trotting out the usual denier talking points. All of these have been examined by the scientific community and found to be untrue or irrelevant.

Science depends on everyone playing by the rules. Everyone agrees that good empirical evidence is the ultimate authority. Rigorous intellectual integrity is required of all scientists -- when the evidence proves us wrong, we have to concede the point and move on.

Unfortunately, the deniers don't play by the rules. They pull out one discredited 'talking point' after another -- with no regard for whether they're true or not. New ones are invented from time to time, and they invariably prove to be false or misleading. They don't care, because they "know" they're right -- their ideology (and in some cases their paymasters) tell them so.

In this, they are exactly like anti-evolutionists and anti-vaccinationists, who are totally convinced by religious or emotional arguments that they know better than the entire body of rigorous scientific knowledge built up over centuries of painstaking work.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
02:13 PM on 03/11/2012
Didja see where the denier community is talking up their new propaganda concoction "climate quacks." They love to reduce the whole thing to bumper sticker slogans. Their intended audience responds to bumper stickers. Science though? The eyes glaze over.

There is no doubt that this is part of an overall anti climate science campaign, funded by fossil fuel interests, and orchestrated by public relations firms such as Heartland Institute, and on line by fossil fuel funded wattsupwiththat.

KochBros/Heartland/Exxon/Watts
'It never happened that way'
affordable rates
10:08 PM on 03/11/2012
Oh please
The best way is nthe short message
Yours is
THE SKY IS FALLING
Theirs merely changed your chicken into a duck.
10:06 PM on 03/11/2012
Sorry
The fearmongers trot out the new impending threats.
It seems you have a monopoly on them.
10:37 PM on 03/11/2012
You really have nothing constructive or interesting to say, it appears.
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MikeWebster
Always happy.
10:52 PM on 03/11/2012
By fearmongers, I suppose you mean those who talk about these global conspiracies to take over the world, and destroy the economy, based on a hoax.

On the other hand, a new word is appropriate for you "nonsensemonger".
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boomer7391
Beliefs are the seeds of evil.
10:02 AM on 03/11/2012
refugee camps can be built on the koch brothers estates as living proof they are liars.
11:08 PM on 03/11/2012
The FEMA consentration er facilities are all ready.