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Rick Santorum, Ron Paul On Track To Get Most Of Iowa's Delegates

Posted: 03/15/2012 1:30 pm Updated: 03/15/2012 1:50 pm

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WASHINGTON -- Rick Santorum and Ron Paul are best positioned to win the most delegates in Iowa as the Republican primary process moves forward, making Mitt Romney the odd man out, state insiders told The Huffington Post.

Santorum and Romney finished first and second on Jan. 3, with Paul finishing about 3,000 votes behind the 29,000 votes Santorum and Romney both got.

Rep. Paul (R-Texas) is currently estimated by The Associated Press to have zero delegates in Iowa. The AP numbers give former Sen. Santorum (R-Pa.) 13 delegates and former Massachusetts Gov. Romney 12. But Iowa Republican operatives scoffed at the AP figure.

"Can I just be bold and tell you that they don't know what they're talking about," Steve Scheffler, one of the state's three Republican National Committee members, told The Huffington Post. "Our delegates are not tied to the percentages of who got what in the straw poll."

"That's just not valid information at all," he reiterated. "That's just not correct information at all."

Santorum, banking on the fact that delegates are not "bound" by rule or law in Iowa to vote for any presidential candidate at the Republican National Convention -- which is similar to other caucus states -- has predicted he'll win the "overwhelming majority" of Iowa's 28 delegates.

But as he is likely to find out in many caucus states, Santorum faces a roadblock: Paul's passionate and organized supporters, working to position themselves for spots as delegates at the national convention in Tampa, Fla., this August.

"They're going to be feisty and they're going to fight," said Craig Robinson, a former state GOP official who now writes a popular state politics blog, The Iowa Republican.

"I think that Santorum will get the delegates he should get but I think Ron Paul will get way more delegates than he should get," Robinson said, adding that he worries that Paul could potentially give Iowa a black eye by winning the most delegates.

The winner of Iowa's caucuses has already changed once, after the state Republican Party announced Santorum the winner three weeks after saying Romney had won the night of the caucuses.

"It would be terrible for Iowa if you had Romney the winner on caucus day, three weeks later Santorum, and then three months later Ron Paul," Robinson said.

But Paul's supporters are not worried about the state's reputation. They just want to snatch delegate spots, and are prepared to use all the flexibility allowed by the rules to get them.

"Ron Paul's respecting the voters of Iowa and the delegates of Iowa who represent them by campaigning for delegates. He didn't just stop at the straw poll on Jan. 3," said Drew Ivers, a member of Iowa's 17-member central committee who was a co-chair of Paul's campaign in Iowa.

Paul's supporters drew attention this past Saturday when they caused a ruckus at several county conventions in Iowa. In Polk County, which includes Des Moines, they urged the county chairman, Kevin McLaughlin, to allow them to nominate delegates to the state convention who had not been elected at the Jan. 3 caucuses.

"They gave us the impression that we owed them something," McLaughlin told HuffPost. "It was like, let's throw out the rules and do it our way. And let's throw temper tantrums if you won't."

Ivers, sensitive to that criticism, said that Paul's supports were "engaging in the normal healthy process."

"It seems to be a little bit concerning among some of the regular Republicans that we are respectful enough to ask for delegates, and because the other [campaigns] are not it makes us an exception," Ivers said.

It's not as if the Paul movement in Iowa is simply a bunch of outsiders crashing the gates of the state GOP. In fact, the state party chairman -- as of early February -- is another former co-chair of Paul's presidential campaign in Iowa, A.J. Spiker. Spiker was elected by the central committee after former chairman Matt Strawn resigned.

Spiker automatically gets one of the 28 delegate spots at the national convention. He did not return an e-mail seeking comment, but Spiker is a likely vote for Paul at the convention.

Yet the Paul line of attack in Iowa is both a frontal assault and an under-the-radar operation. Ryan Rhodes, a Tea Party activist in Iowa, said that as the delegate process goes forward to the congressional district conventions on April 21 and then the state convention on June 15 and 16, there will be an element of suspense about which delegates running for national convention spots are Paul supporters.

"You're not going to know how half these people vote until Tampa. You might have Ron Paul people in there who you won't know how they're going to vote until they get into the arena," Rhodes told HuffPost.

Ivers admitted as much.

"Because the other three [campaigns] are doing very little, there tends to be some caution about the Ron Paul people," Ivers said. "So it does tend to drive the Ron Paul supporters a little more quiet in the way they speak about the candidate. A little more cautious is a better word."

The common theme among Iowa Republicans who spoke with HuffPost is that Paul's supporters have been the only ones who are noticeably aggressive and active so far in angling for delegate spots at the two remaining conventions in the state, all with an eye toward landing as many of the 28 delegate spots for Tampa as possible.

But Santorum is very popular among a great number of Iowa's grassroots conservative base, and so he too is expected to get around half of the delegates.

"If I had to be a betting man I would say that the Santorum and Ron Paul campaigns are best positioned to get their fair share of delegates," Scheffler, the Iowa RNC member, said. "That's where I see most of the energy coming from."

That leaves Romney as potentially the odd man out, getting just a handful of delegates. Such a scenario would only be possible if Romney and Santorum were still locked in a close fight. Romney's state co-chair, Brian Kennedy, did not return phone calls.

But if the national primary does remain competitive through May or June, that will make conventions in many states into high-stakes battles for delegates to the national convention, essentially setting the stage for a floor fight in Tampa.

If that is the case, Santorum is looking to caucus states like Iowa, and other primary states like Arizona where delegate rules are very loose and open to interpretation, in order to chip away at the delegate lead that Romney has in current estimates. The AP count has Romney with 495 delegates to 252 for Santorum, 131 for former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, and 48 for Paul.

The magic number that clinches the nomination is 1,144 delegates.

The only problem for Santorum is that his attempts at prying delegates away is limited by the Paul campaign's determination to secure their own number of seats in Tampa.

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WASHINGTON -- Rick Santorum and Ron Paul are best positioned to win the most delegates in Iowa as the Republican primary process moves forward, making Mitt Romney the odd man out, state insiders told ...
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Mark Wharton
08:09 PM on 03/26/2012
Ron Paul is wrong that freedom and liberty are popular. People that want to be free fight for it though. Paul is the only presidential candidate to stand up when big corporations lobbied to effectively put me out of business so they would not have to compete. Of course you can guess what happened with the corrupt bunch up there that keeps getting put back by apathetic and voters that want a male cheerleader.
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Hwt123
Debt equals slavery...End the Fed
01:01 PM on 03/19/2012
Ron Paul has the most loyal supporters who walk the extra mile for for freedom , liberty and sound currency along with peace and prosperity...Ron Paul has most of the unbound delegates everywhere and he even has bound delegates waiting for round two at a brokered convention...
10:52 AM on 03/19/2012
Haha! It's like watching a magic show from back stage! We crazy Ron Paul people have educated ourselves. Do Americans remember what that is? An "Education?"

Knowledge is power and we are powerful. Go ahead and turn off your TV cuz this r3volution will not be televised.

Donate www.ronpaul2012.com
12:09 PM on 03/19/2012
Yes the more we learn about the constitution, the more we recognize Dr. Paul as the champion of the constitution. He has a plan to eliminate 5 departments and cut one trillion. Also he would bring the troops home.
09:56 AM on 03/19/2012
"It would be terrible for Iowa if you had Romney the winner on caucus day, three weeks later Santorum, and then three months later Ron Paul," Robinson said. So Mr Robinson why didn't you guys announce Dr Paul as the winner in the first place instead of throwing away his votes(8 precincts missing including Ames)? Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.
09:42 AM on 03/19/2012
"It would be terrible for Iowa if you had Romney the winner on caucus day, three weeks later Santorum, and then three months later Ron Paul," Robinson said." Soo Mr Robinson if you were really worried about that then why didn't you folks declare Ron Paul the winner in the first place instead of throwing the Ames votes in the trash bin?
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rltballer
why is equality difficult for some to understand?
12:01 AM on 03/18/2012
Ron Paul is still the biggest joke left and has no real chance at the nomination.
08:09 AM on 03/19/2012
Thank you for taking the time to point that out. We haven't been bombarded with that same message from the MSM for the past four months. Thank you for your insight.
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Hwt123
Debt equals slavery...End the Fed
01:05 PM on 03/19/2012
you echo the main stream media who all have been hiding him from the people...
He is a true statesman but some of you do not understand freedom and liberty...
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rltballer
why is equality difficult for some to understand?
01:35 PM on 03/19/2012
Yeah yeah. We all know. Why the media blackout of Ron Paul. I read the billboard. I find it funny. Maybe its because he brings nothing to the table. I have read plenty and listened to his videos. He won't even win his home state. Tells me all I need to know there.
05:58 AM on 03/17/2012
Why is ron paul villianized when he plays the gop's screwed up rules? The gop breaks their rules to keep him down so many other places. There is an excellent video posted on ron pauls flix site that shows ga officials blatantly cheating on camera and with open protest. If this is the kind of fraud they are comfortable with in public, i shudder to think what they do in secret. After apparently stealing elections in 2000 and 2004, they are boldly cheating in the open and the apathetic press just loves their faux frontrunner.
10:23 AM on 03/17/2012
The GOP's tactics at this point are absolutely reprehensible... the fact that he's on their schizophrenic train-wreck of a ticket is his biggest liability.
08:23 AM on 03/19/2012
I live in Georgia and have been taking part in the delegate process here. What is really amazing is that GA is a BOUND state, so this "fight" for delegates is basically trivial. But yet, the GA GOP is risking losing some or all of their delegates to try to keep Dr. Paul supporters from taking part in the process. Numerous times during my county convention, the county chair, the convention chair, and the parliamentarian huddled together to "discuss" if they should allow certain challenges. Georgia is somewhat unique though in the fact that the winner of our primary (Gingrich) and most of our delegates is the weakest of the candidates and will undoubtedly be the first to drop out. When he drops out, his delegates are free to support any candidate they wish. But, if as a delegate, I am bound to Santorum or Romney, I still have to remain committed to them throughout the process (or until other conditions are met), regardless of who I actually support. If the GOP is working this hard, and risking this much, to keep Dr. Paul out here, I can only imagine how bad things are getting in caucus states.
04:17 AM on 03/17/2012
Ariana Huffington, show us some real journalism. The media elites serving as the 4th branch of the government in that they regulate public opinion is getting exposed more and more every day. Ariana, please join in the liberty movement and start using the post for real news.
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Julie Baker Morse
Mostly harmless
12:55 AM on 03/17/2012
If Iowa Republicans are upset that Ron Paul's supporters understand the process, know the rules and are using them to their advantage, they should have written different rules.

Alternatively, candidates other than Ron Paul could put forth at least a little effort to be credible, and they might end up with enthusiastic supporters of their own. When a candidate's own supporters either weren't instructed by the campaign to stick around to be elected as delegates, or just don't like the candidate enough to do so, that's the fault of those candidates who failed in organization or inspiration, not the fault of the candidate who succeeded at both.
05:18 PM on 03/24/2012
Why isn't there more articles about Ron Paul? and Why is HP misleading us into thinking Romney is ahead when in fact Ron Paul is doing better than him?
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Julie Baker Morse
Mostly harmless
05:47 PM on 03/24/2012
Because HuffPo leans Democrat, and supports Obama, and because Romney is a much easier candidate for Obama to beat than Ron Paul.
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CroatianCritter
is keeping people honest
12:22 PM on 03/16/2012
Here is some of the evidence that I claim below.

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/how-did-ron-paul-lose-alaska

In this first place, the pro-Romney Republican Party chair apparently charged money and instituted poll taxes while fixing the numbers in Alaska.

Here is the evidence in North Dakota.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyaFf-vGTqQ

The fun thing about that video is you can see Republican Party officials standing around the various districts most likely adjusting the vote totals. With the first lady showing that Paul got close to 80% of the vote in her district alone, the final vote tally in the state does not make sense.

I have always believed that the rise of Rick Santorum has always been a creation of the Republican Party. They needed an alternative to Romney that would help steal (Or be given votes by the Party) to stop Paul because the Republicans need to keep the ideal going that Paul can not win this election. Winning any of those first couple of states would have put a wrench in their tortured logic. This election has been fixed around Romney winning from the beginning. The change in how delegates were to be counted was actually instituted by the Republican Party to guarantee that no one outside the mainstream consensus ever gets the nomination. So go ahead and blame the Ron Paul people and tell them that they are crazy.
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02:18 PM on 03/16/2012
F&F! Check out Hawaii and Andrew Walden; he's the chair of the GOP and writes smear articles on Paul. He counted HI's votes.
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CroatianCritter
is keeping people honest
12:02 PM on 03/16/2012
Honestly, if you go online, there has been so much questionable election tactics in this Republican runoff, I think the Ron Paul people are getting the delegates that they deserve. Various online sources already document the fraud that occurred in Iowa, Maine, and Nevada. I am suspicious of other states that Romney has barely pulled out like Ohio. Watching Paul's returns on Super Tuesday was like watching a roller coaster ride. North Dakota and Alaska local papers had him winning both states and as he climbed into contention in both that evening, his numbers seemed to decline and he ended up losing comfortably to Santorum in N. Dakota and finishing a baffling third in Alaska (Go online to see good commentary on this from various people in these affected states). All I can say is give the man the delegates he obviously deserves. We know Paul will never win in the South but his popularity in the Mountain West, parts of the upper midwest and New England are much higher than Santorum's or Gingrich's. No way should either of those men be allowed to take those delegates from him.
05:20 PM on 03/24/2012
And he Needs more Mainstream media Coverage!
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GENERATIONaleX
11:49 AM on 03/16/2012
Ron Paul or nothing at all. The Republicans need RP supporters to beat Obama. They know it, and it makes them mad. They need to get over it.
10:10 AM on 03/16/2012
If they would only. Allow him to speak, they 1st ignore him and then when allowed he is lucky to get even one minute in, but besides that, he has clearly said that he was an OB/GYN Dr. That not just delivered babies but prescribed BC pulse as well as the morning after, he further stated in the case of abortions "that it was setteled long ago by the courts via Row versus Wade, he just speaks so fast-to try to get his msg in, that many things are missed, and yes he is a conservative when it comes to lands, he feels that it is a State thing, not federal
10:01 AM on 03/16/2012
If party officials can BREAK the rules to get their favored candidate to win (and they've been caught doing that in several states so far), what is wrong with Paul's supporters USING the rules as they exist to win.
05:20 AM on 03/16/2012
I have been a Romney supporter for months, but I'm starting to seriously doubt he can beat Obama. This IS NOT an easy decision for me, but Paul is going to get the majority of delegates in the end and we need a nominee. With regret, I am giving my vote to Paul. We better all pray that he knows what he's doing.
10:22 AM on 03/16/2012
I too liked Romney,,untill he said he would sign the NDAA a clear violation of the amendments to the constitution, but the Geneva convention as well, this bill takes us back to the dark ages, and frankly I am quite upset that it has not received more coverage about it. The American people do not even realize all the liberties that are being stolen from us and that we are in de-facto Marshall law.
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Mark Wharton
08:15 PM on 03/26/2012
Don't worry he may change his mind for the General, and then change it back if he is elected.
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Shelly Jefferson
09:20 PM on 04/01/2012
You have a right to be scared,and fight back.It is in the Constitution of the United States of America.If things go wrong for you,go to Indian country.Mostly Oklahoma depending on where you are.
04:42 PM on 03/16/2012
Glad to have your vote for Paul, but you should be proud of your choice, not regretful. Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate that can save our Dollar, our economy, and our Country. Your vote for Ron Paul will help in that regard; something you can definitely be proud of.
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rltballer
why is equality difficult for some to understand?
12:03 AM on 03/18/2012
Lol. Ron Paul is a bigot and won't win the.gop nod. Obama 2012.