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In Health Care Case, Supreme Court Conservatives Could Go Either Way (VIDEO)

Posted: 03/21/2012 8:05 am Updated: 03/21/2012 9:08 am

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With the U.S. Supreme Court's four-justice liberal bloc widely expected to uphold the individual mandate in the health care case it will hear next week, the challengers to the Affordable Care Act must convince the five GOP-nominated justices that the law's key provision is beyond Congress' constitutional power to regulate interstate commerce.

Justice Clarence Thomas is already regarded as a lock. In his twenty years on the Court, Thomas has consistently given a parsimonious reading to the commerce clause that, if effected, would eliminate much of the modern administrative state.

But it will not be easy for the 26 states and several private parties challenging the mandate to sweep the remaining four members of the court. Chief Justice John Roberts and justices Antonin Scalia, Anthony Kennedy and Samuel Alito have all at some point articulated broader views of Congressional power or championed judicial restraint. That could lead to a ruling in favor of the Obama administration when the decision comes down by late June.

Further, two conservative judges on the U.S. Courts of Appeals have said that the mandate is constitutional. Last June, 6th Circuit Judge Jeffrey Sutton, a George W. Bush appointee and former Scalia law clerk, wrote, "[c]all this mandate what you will -- an affront to individual autonomy or an imperative of national health care -- it meets the requirement of regulating activities that substantially affect interstate commerce."

And in November, D.C. Circuit Judge Laurence Silberman, Reagan-appointed and part of the conservative legal movement, derided the challengers' "view that an individual cannot be subject to Commerce Clause regulation absent voluntary, affirmative acts that enter him or her into, or affect, the interstate market."

In the third of a four-part video series, former Acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal and libertarian legal scholar Randy Barnett, both Georgetown law professors, reflect on what these considerations hold for the Supreme Court's ultimate decision. Katyal defended the Affordable Care Act in three federal appeals courts before entering private practice and teaching. Barnett was one of the architects of the constitutional challenge to the mandate and is now on the legal team for the private plaintiffs in the case.

"I think that the fact that these two extremely prominent, extremely well-thought-of judges, Silberman and Sutton, have written what they've written, makes it extremely hard to strike down the Affordable Care Act," Katyal said.

Barnett, however, said his side's victory in the 11th Circuit "is a sign that the challenge is a serious one."

"And you don't even need that," he said. "Just notice that the Supreme Court granted six hours of oral argument, which is the longest oral argument in 47 years, and that will tell you the Supreme Court thinks this is a very serious case."

Katyal noted the ideological irony surrounding the court fight. "When I was in law school, I think the conservative movement had one really central idea that was really powerful, which is this idea that in a democracy, we shouldn't let judges rule us," he said.

"I find it interesting now the courts' compositions have changed that a group of younger conservatives have come along and said, 'Oh no, we actually like the courts to do our work for us when we can't win in the democratic process.'"

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With the U.S. Supreme Court's four-justice liberal bloc widely expected to uphold the individual mandate in the health care case it will hear next week, the challengers to the Affordable Care Act must...
With the U.S. Supreme Court's four-justice liberal bloc widely expected to uphold the individual mandate in the health care case it will hear next week, the challengers to the Affordable Care Act must...
 
 
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Cacey 12:46 PM on 03/21/2012
As an American I'm pleased to see that so many of my fellow citizens have led such healty lives, such accident free lives that they have never had to face the demonic and costly health care system we have in the US. Few if any have any idea what their doctors visits, medical tests or other procedures cost thanks to the bills being sent directly to the insurance provider. The tragedy is that too few doctors  Read More...
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03:20 PM on 03/26/2012
First of all, Justice Thomas should have recused himself from the hearings (period), eliminating any suspicions of influence on his wife's part.

A while ago conservative wanted Kagan out of the hearings, IMHO Justice Thomas is the most obvious.
02:10 PM on 03/26/2012
"Conservatives could go either way...." Isn't that what you would expect of judges with integrity and impartiality? That they would listen to the evidence and the legal arguments and make a judgement accordingly?

How come you can't say that about the liberal judges? It must be that they are Democrat political hacks who have already made up their minds based on left-wing ideology, and they have no interest whatever in the evidence or the arguments. That is exactly what is wrong with the liberal establishment. They are perfectly predictable, rigid, and not open to anything except what they have already sold their souls for, to get on the court.

And all the liberal media think that this is perfectly proper. Wow! How telling.
01:13 PM on 03/26/2012
"With the U.S. Supreme Court's four-justice liberal bloc widely expected to uphold the individual mandate in the health care case it will hear next week"

Nice to see that the "liberal bloc" is not approaching this with a fresh and open mind, and that their vote is guaranteed. Sad, really.
01:18 PM on 03/26/2012
rrrreally, the five republicans on the court vote the party line everytime, is that fresh and open?
11:53 AM on 03/26/2012
"Conservative justices could go either way" can also be read, "liberal justices will do as Obama tells them" or "Conservative justices will look at all the arguments and decide constitutionally" or "Liberal justices have already made up their mind and ought not be serving as a justice"

Take your pick!
12:18 PM on 03/26/2012
Or..............

A liberal justice with ties to the anti healthcare tea baggers and has a wife who made alot of money by advocating its repeal would recuse himself or a CONservative justice will vote to protect his insurance CEO buddies, his stock and what the koch's want.
12:34 PM on 03/26/2012
Or.............

The woman who worked on the Legal Team, in Obama's corrupt administration, is now sitting on the Supreme Court. Libs don't need or want the Constitution.
11:39 AM on 03/26/2012
Actually the ACA is misnamed. It is NOT Obama-care. It's not even Romney-care, albeit President Obama pretty much copied Romney-care - with Mitt Romney's blessing. (See videos on the internet for proof.)

But all if this if very BAD history.

The first people to propose a law requiring everyone to buy health insurance was the Heritage Foundation - a conservative, right-wing think tank.

Staunch conservative Republicans like Chuck Grassley, Orrin Hatch, and Newt Gingrich all supported and/or promoted laws with a required insurance mandate.

So if the conservatives on the Supreme Court declare the ACA unConstitutional, what are they telling us about the super-conservative Heritage Foundation? In the meantime, let's stop calling the ACA Obama-care. Let's call it Heritage-Care.

P.S. I got this information from Education votes, an on-line newletter published by the NEA. Why don't I get this information from FOX News? Shouldn't they proud that Obama copied the health care plan of the Heritage Foundation?
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11:16 AM on 03/26/2012
I love how the conservative justices could "go either way", so then.... the liberal justices are so prejudiced that they can only uphold the law? I'm sure who ever came up with this headline didn't realize how telling it really was.
11:08 AM on 03/26/2012
Forcing people to buy products they can't afford, death panels, this terrible fiasco of an attempt at health care reform, which is a joke, because it does not address cost and because it relies on triage, helping only the insurance companies make more profit at our expense, needs to go. We need single payer, adequately funded, with Congress forced to comply with the laws they make for us.
12:26 PM on 03/26/2012
One step at a time, lets get this into law first and then single payer.
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OneInEveryFamily
I wish conservatives would read more liberally.
10:51 AM on 03/26/2012
The Court has a very easy way out on this. They will always avoid a difficult question if there is an easy way to dispose of the case. Every legal scholar agrees that this passes as a tax. All they have to do is say it is effectively a tax and move on.
12:35 PM on 03/26/2012
But, bozo Obama said it wasn't going to raise anyone's taxes.
01:13 PM on 03/26/2012
Right - because if he asserted this was a tax, it never would have had support - even in the Democratic echo chamber.
10:30 AM on 03/26/2012
What's next? Forcing people to buy cars? If you start here, there's precedent to force people to buy pretty much anything................
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OneInEveryFamily
I wish conservatives would read more liberally.
10:49 AM on 03/26/2012
Are you forced to buy solar panels for your home? What is the difference.
11:54 AM on 03/26/2012
not yet
12:37 PM on 03/26/2012
Why do ALL the states mandate us to have auto insurance ? You CON's can spin it all you want a mandate is a mandate , driving is NOT a privledge ir is a RIGHT ! Ask our founding fathers if riding a horse or riding in a wagon or surrey was a privledge and a license and insurance were mandatory. I would think that at least one of the states that believe in freedom and liberty woud abolish auto insurance or are all the state mottos like "hope" "equal tights" " forward" just more BS ?
01:14 PM on 03/26/2012
Is mandatory auto insurance a federal mandate or a per-state mandate?
03:03 PM on 03/26/2012
Um, you have to own a car before auto insurance is mandated, with health insurance, your mere existence mandates one to buy it.
10:01 AM on 03/26/2012
I believe the highly partisan five conservatives will all vote to strike it down, regardless of the Constitutional issues which clearly support the law, and thus guarantee themselves a place in infamy when the history of this time is written. Already the Citizens United debacle has ripped the mask off of the five so called "conservatives" who are not really conservatives in a classical sense but are right wing activists and who only meant (stop the liberals) when they swore allegiance to judicial restraint. There was no judicial restraint in the Citizens United ruling, and there won't be this time, unfortunately. And when the smoke clears, chaos will ensue.
11:11 AM on 03/26/2012
Good on all counts. I would like to live you see, instead of having some bureaucrats in Washington denying payment for needed tests. Chaos would be far better than the fascism we have now. The only way we can remain free of both Obamaloons and Bubbastanites is to cause gridlock and chaos. Our federal government is a problem in it's entirety, too top heavy, too autocratic, too pervasive. I want to live and be free to not have one size fits all anything dictated from New York and Washington.
12:40 PM on 03/26/2012
What year do you prefer ?

1776
1810
1900
1920
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iman927
Trolling is a art.
09:51 AM on 03/26/2012
"Supreme Court Conservatives Could Go Either Way"

Does that mean that the liberals have their minds made up before the case is even heard, making this argument just a charade for the left?
10:15 AM on 03/26/2012
Maybe. It's ironic, really, because the ACA is a conservative law. A conservative law passed by Democrats with no Republican support.

It'll be interesting to watch a conservative lawyer argue to a group of conservative justices that a conservative law is unconstitutional. The "liberal" justices are sure to uphold this conservative law on any number of conservative grounds, including (but not limited to) judicial restraint and precedent. To the "liberal" justices, the fact that a law is conservative doesn't make it unconstitutional. To the "conservative" justices, the fact that a law, even a conservative law, was enacted by a Democratic congress and president might make it unconstitutional.
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rons316
11:17 AM on 03/26/2012
Good question, but I think NO, they don't. The questions come from the right wing as they are the ones challenging the law. Also they have been inconsistent. State's rights supporters, except when the states do something they disagree with or as an example over riding Florida in the Bush decision.
Saying tradition and precedent is the founding principle, then approving things like Citizen's United and saying they couldn't see how this would affect an election, come on and idiot and several did predict the unlimited funding situation.
Libertarian with corporate decisions, but restrictive and controlling with individuals.
bluecub
Focus on Benghazi and let Wall Street loose?
09:37 AM on 03/26/2012
They are not conservative, they are Republican. There is nothing conservative about gutting existing law. The "Republican 5" did just that with the most liberal interpretation of the 1st Amendment in U.S. history; their Citizens United ruling.
They fundamentally believe in a radical plutocracy.
07:34 AM on 03/22/2012
People can often work in one state and reside in another. A lot of parents may have health care insurance for children who reside in a different state than the parent does. People often move to different states throughout their careers (even if working for the same company).

Imagine having specific benefits from your company and then being transferred by your company to another state and having your benefits change.
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h23154
08:30 AM on 03/22/2012
That would be like just changing jobs and having benefits change and we know that never happens. And if it did the world would end.
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Reddart3340
05:08 AM on 03/22/2012
Well we know Obama goes both ways.
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09:30 AM on 03/26/2012
What an idiotic post
12:37 PM on 03/26/2012
He's the biggest flip flopper ever.
11:12 AM on 03/26/2012
He's for it and he's against it. That's Obama, the ultimate flip flopper.
12:45 PM on 03/26/2012
Flipflop title is held by the etch a sketch dog loving Romney !

Obama 2012
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l78lancer
Wisdom is the principal thing
04:41 AM on 03/22/2012
""I find it interesting now the courts' compositions have changed that a group of younger conservatives have come along and said, 'Oh no, we actually like the courts to do our work for us when we can't win in the democratic process.'""
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This statement is the sole reason for existence of the group of five. They effectively serve as an arm of republicans in congress when conservative don't hold enough political sway to carry the day. Forget about judicial restraint.
12:48 PM on 03/26/2012
Fanned and faved. Yes that statement hit me too and is spot on. As I have posted before the CON's wanted to get in the WH so bad in 2000 because they knew 2-3 justices would be appointed within a couple years .
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l78lancer
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02:18 PM on 03/26/2012
Thanks! Back at 'cha.