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Immigration Detention Centers Are Like Campus 'Holiday,' House Republicans Say

Posted: 03/28/2012 7:32 pm Updated: 03/29/2012 11:28 am

Immigrant Detention

WASHINGTON -- To some Republicans in Congress, U.S. immigration detention facilities sound like resorts.

That was the premise of a hearing Wednesday by the House immigration subcommittee, where Reps. Lamar Smith (R-Texas), Elton Gallegly (R-Calif.) and Steve King (R-Iowa), argued that reforms to immigrant detention by President Barack Obama's administration , including medical treatment and protection of detainees, were too generous.

In the hearing, titled "Holiday on ICE" -- a punny reference to an ice skating movie and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement -- opponents of detention reform said detention centers were becoming like "college campuses" or "Mayberry," the fictional little town where "The Andy Griffith Show" was set.

The title of the hearing, and its message, outraged immigrant rights groups and supporters of detention reform. Novelist Edwidge Danticat wrote an op-ed in the Tuesday New York Times decrying the hearing as a "political stunt" with a dangerous message as she described her uncle's 2004 death in ICE custody.

Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) said Gallegly, the subcommittee chairman, called her earlier in the day to say he regretted the way the hearing was named. Gallegly skipped over the phrase "posh detention facility" from his prepared remarks, instead referring simply to "the detention facilities."

But King said he stood by the title "Holiday on ICE."

"I can't think of a more descriptive name for the hearing," King told HuffPost. "I thought it was right on point. ... All they need to do to avoid that 'holiday on ICE' is put themselves back in the condition they were in before, which is go to their home country."

The title was especially offensive because of the numerous examples of detainee abuse and neglect, Lofgren said. More than 180 sexual assaults of immigrant detainees have been reported since 2007, according to an October 2010 report from the American Civil Liberties Union.

Smith "criticizes these detention standards as 'hospitality guidelines,'" Lofgren said during the hearing. "I didn't think that it's a 'hospitality guideline' to prevent rape of detainees, women who have done nothing wrong, to prevent death of detainees."

But Republicans said the reports of abuse were mostly meaningless. Gallegly told Lofgren that her examples of suffering were anecdotes, and shared his own about an immigrant who was released from detention and then killed citizens. Later, King said that based on his calculations, a person in detention would be less likely to die than someone in the general population. He shrugged off a witness's point that in the general population, many deaths are due to old age.

The hearing hashed out familiar arguments on immigration changes, which are at a legislative standstill because of the divided Congress. House Republicans have used hearings to accuse the Obama administration of trying to avoid enforcement of immigration laws.

Gallegly and Smith on Wednesday also argued detention was too expensive and would become more so if immigrants were held in less jail-like facilities. Smith pointed to cuts in funding for physical education classes in schools, while detainees play soccer, volleyball or basketball.

He added that one recently-opened facility cost "over $30 million taxpayer dollars" -- a figure that actually refers to the cost to Geo Group, the private company that built it. None of the three Republican congressman said they would support alternatives to detention that would cut costs, such as ankle bracelet monitoring.

To those who have experienced detention, the idea that centers are too nice is laughable. Nazry Mustakim, a legal resident who was detained for 10 months and released in February, said he slept in a room with 100 beds, waiting days for medical attention, eating meager food portions at odd hours. Basketball was one of the only activities, he said.

"It's pretty much like prison, but I think prison you can do more stuff," Mustakim said.

King set a low bar when asked by HuffPost how immigrants should be treated in detention facilities.

"Our standards should not be lower than the country that they're coming from," he said.

CORRECTION: Due to an editing error, an earlier version of this report incorrectly stated that Rep. Gallegly's anecdote featured an immigrant killed by U.S. citizens. Gallegly's story was of an immigrant released from detention who then killed citizens.

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WASHINGTON -- To some Republicans in Congress, U.S. immigration detention facilities sound like resorts. That was the premise of a hearing Wednesday by the House immigration subcommittee, where Re...
WASHINGTON -- To some Republicans in Congress, U.S. immigration detention facilities sound like resorts. That was the premise of a hearing Wednesday by the House immigration subcommittee, where Re...
 
 
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loyalist1
From D voter to Ind. voter
08:52 PM on 03/07/2013
Congress should make no deal of immigration amnesty for border security. There is no doubt that they will break this deal at the first opportunity.
11:36 AM on 02/06/2013
Bottom line: Is they undocs (illegal aliens) came to work here and maybe living in the land of the free. Every one seem to always forget who and what drew them here in the first place, US employers and government who refuse to enforce written immigration laws on hiring undocs aliens.
These employers sure be the one held accountable for undocs being here in the first place. We can talk about criminals who ignored employment laws, failing to pay state, federal tax, and social security, the list can go on. Since employers have a responsibility to obey state and federal laws regarding hiring people to work for them. And do you really think that most all the employers can say they never broke the law in one way or the another in regard to the above.
They are the reason why illegal immigration is an issue today and the US government just simply ignored these laws since the last amnesty. It time we the people accept responsibility of what been done and move on. Unless there is a another agenda behind all this ?
Those of you who are complaining should look at the facts and know it time to clean up the mess we have made.
This not a border issue or citizenship issue, it employer issues, enforce immigration employment laws and the rest will take care of it self. Hirer an undoc, be fined and jailed on first offense, no excuse and strict enforcement.
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Corners
06:16 AM on 02/06/2013
I have an ideal, throw them into the same cells we do anyone else arrested in county jail,like they used to.
08:39 PM on 02/05/2013
This is the same lame crowd that ran the detention camps in the forties.
09:28 AM on 04/19/2012
The idea of jail is not to give prisoners a Holiday On ICE. And in the case of illegal aliens (who are ALL criminals) and break dozens of laws, the treatment should mimic the treatment they'd receive in a MEXICAN prison. Illegals have destroyed this nation and should pay with the harshest possible punishment for their crimes, before they're deported.
09:07 PM on 06/01/2012
I agree 100%.
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dispagi
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04:12 PM on 04/15/2012
If the Senate hadn't killed Bush's amnesty program for undocumented citizens back in 2007 we'd be in a much better place today. Unfortunately Obama was suckered in by the GOP who said they would only consider immigration reforms after the border was "secure." Now even though unauthorized immigration is way down and deportations have skyrocketed there is no movement from the right on this issue. Maybe instead of showing up to advocate keeping his tax cuts, Bush should lobby his party to get real on human rights.
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Corners
06:19 AM on 02/06/2013
just for a little context the stipulation about the border being secure WAS part of the first amnesty bill under regan also. Means little that its in there and thats why people arent so sure about it the 2nd go around.

Ok fine. If we do this and amnesty everyone, what about in 20 years? Do people think it will stop just because we made everyone legal?
Are we going to allow duel citizenship? Because i think a gang/cartel member with Mexican and American citizenship could cause a lot of harm
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honor1
10:34 AM on 04/15/2012
Obama said an oath to protect our borders. He has consistantly fought Jan Brewer. American citizens vandalized, raped, robbed, intimidated, etcetera. Criminals are rewarded. Housing, food, water. Politicians that break our laws in order to get a "Liberal" vote. When is it going to stop? I personally have lived around Hispanics in south OKC. Racist comment or not, the truth is the truth. They are rude, living and going to the bathroom in storage buildings in backyards, driving across my front yard to park in their front yard. I moved. So many Americans are having this forced on them. I hate it, and those that force this upon us. I know there's always a smartass out there. But you can never force me to like it, sorry.
08:47 PM on 02/05/2013
Can't help you with the sanitation but caltrops are real handy for discourging inconciderate motorists.
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lavender menace
I calls it like I see it.
03:33 PM on 03/31/2012
I can understand jailing dangerous undocumented immigrant felons, but a good portion of the undocumented population has been in this country for many years and it would be cheaper to place them on house arrest with electronic monitoring so that way they can continue to work and support their families, instead of their families ending up destitute because the breadwinner of the family is detained.
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Alva Vargas
03:24 PM on 04/02/2012
HOw about deporting them because they broke the law and entered our country illegally? Why the double standards?!??
08:48 PM on 02/05/2013
That ship has sailed. Thank Ronney.
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awlwaysritegotit
11:46 AM on 02/06/2013
Finally someone that sees it for what they are CRIMINALS. How would those of you that want to give them a FREE pass think if all CRIMINALS were set free from our jails...No difference in the 2 situations. Now lets see your answers>>>>>>
12:12 PM on 03/30/2012
What's amusing is that Obama has never, ever visited the dangerous border towns of Texas, Arizona and California.....never in his 3 years of office. I guess he does't want to get his shoes or hands dirty...or really open his eyes as to what exactly is going on with thousands of illegal aliens crossing our borders every day. all illegals should be given a choice.....buy a ticket back to where you came from immediately....or go to a detention center and wait for deportation to a Mexican jail.
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Alva Vargas
03:25 PM on 04/02/2012
Right on!!
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dispagi
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01:15 AM on 03/30/2012
For dangerous felons we have jails. But if an otherwise law-abiding undocumented citizen runs afoul of the law by speeding or jaywalking or whatever, give them a ticket, make them pay a fine, and put them on a path to citizenship. This business of separating mothers and fathers from their children is disgusting. If we had only one law in the country, it should be that no family should be torn apart because of a lack of paperwork.
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Viper1st
multi quasi faceted
06:11 AM on 03/30/2012
Rewarding proven law-breakers with the USA's highest value of U.S. Citizenship?

While ~ the USCIS is granting "vetted" legal imimgrants into the USA at the rate of 1 each & every 38 seconds since 2001?

Legal Immigrants entering the USA, 1 every 38 seconds for the past 10 years, "vetted" on four critieria?

CRIMINAL Background check
MEDICAL Background check
EDUCATION Level benefiical to the USA
SKILL Set beneficial to the USA

What "vetting" criteria has the 11.2 million illegals in the USA, unauthorized to work in the USA passed?

11.2 million illegals working in the USA, illegally

While ~ 13 million U.S. Citizens have been out of work for the past 39 months, trying to feed, clothe, shelter & educate Their CHILDREN, with NO JOBS?

Just assinine that while, 13 million U.S. Citizens are out of work:

> legal immigrants are granted entry into the USA ~ 1 every 38 seconds
> illegals are entering the USA ~ 1 every 97 seconds
> BHO deporting "unvetted" criminal illegals ~ 1 every 79 seconds
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dispagi
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08:44 AM on 03/30/2012
We need open immigration, I don't need the government to choose my neighbors for me. People are born here without an education and money, they should be able to come here that way. If people are criminals they will be arrested and sent to jail, if they're decent hard working folks as is the case for the majority of immigrants legal or otherwise, let them be.

Blaming immigrants for the unemployment problem is a sad old trope of the misinformed. The real problem is corporations have been shipping jobs overseas as fast as they can since the 1970's and our manufacturing base has been decimated.
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Alva Vargas
03:28 PM on 04/02/2012
law-abiding undocumented "citizen? Where, because when you enter a counrty illegally, you have broken the law. Get your facts straight, anyone who breaks the law should not be rewarded for making a mockery of the laws of this land, nope, they gotta go and apply and wait in line and should not be given special treatment because, hello!, they get caught?!!?
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dispagi
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05:16 PM on 04/02/2012
You dropped the modifier "otherwise" from "otherwise law-abiding undocumented citizen." If a person has lived in this country, has been a good neighbor, helps little old ladies across the street, has payed sales tax their whole lives, has children and grandchildren who are documented citizens, why are you so anxious to have them leave the country?

The reason we have so many undocumented citizens is the same reason why we have so many drug offenders in prison; the laws don't address the needs of society. Make it easier for people to immigrate and you won't have such a large second-class citizenry.
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BeasTT
09:39 PM on 03/29/2012
Make it miserable, they might rethink coming back.
05:15 PM on 03/29/2012
These immigration detention centers are brutal "houses of horror". Designed to dehumanize the precious workers savagely incarcerated (for private profit no less).
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red skull
I am legion
08:23 PM on 03/29/2012
So now the f* Mexicans are too good for Courtyard by Marriott. Out.
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red skull
I am legion
08:43 PM on 03/29/2012
So Courtyard by Marriott is not good enough for the Mexicans?
01:48 PM on 03/29/2012
I will never understand the contempt people have for the enforcement of our nation's Immigration laws. It is absolutely disgusting. The same people speaking in favor of these lawbreakers are the same ones who will call 911, without hesitation, if a homeless person breaks in their home because he is hungry.

Another thing that bothers me is people referring to these people as immigrants. These people are not immigrants. They did not apply for a visa at an American Consulate in their country of origin. Those that did enter legally and end up in the custody of immigration officials, more than likely, have an impressive criminal record.

Furthermore, there is no "human right" to be or remain in the United States. I agree they should be given humane treatment as far as, food, shelter, water, bathing facilities, medical treatment, etc. Keep it basic. Volleyball, internet, and all these other "amenities" will not cause undue hardship, injury, or death.

Lastly, I would like to say to all those who view this as a civil offense, please read 8 USC 1325, 1326, and 1326(a) . Please understand that just because these cases are often not referred to a federal judge does not mean a crime has not been committed. Please do not set a precedent of following only the laws we like as it will send the wrong message. Also, its not like we are handing out life sentences to these people. They simply being sent back to where they came from.
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guavass
02:26 PM on 03/29/2012
you're 8 USC 132 blah ,blah , blah mean nothing to me. i'm here illegally, and in 2 months my brother and his wife are going to join me. learn how to except change
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BeasTT
03:03 PM on 03/29/2012
Report to ICE immediately. They can keep a cell empty for your brother and his wife.

The only thing changing is your prison boxers.
03:09 PM on 03/29/2012
I'm going to report you to ICE. Better hope your not using a computer at your house or job...
09:17 AM on 03/31/2012
You're conflating the few "criminal" immigration offenses with all of the other "non-criminal" immigration offenses. Yes, you can be imprisoned for illegal entry - but the punishment for that is jail time, not deportation - which is and has always been a civil penalty (even if it is, in many ways, harsher than jail time). By the same token, there are lots of people who are imprisoned for non-criminal immigration offenses pending their deportation hearings or appeals processes. The thought of putting those people into horrific detention centers for non-criminal offenses, often for years at a time, is what advocates are fighting against.
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lk415
oaks grow strong in contrary winds
01:12 PM on 03/29/2012
I'm assuming that his next vacation plan includings staying there, since it's so nice.
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mw21
flyfishing, education, grandkids
12:59 PM on 03/29/2012
I was reading this week that scientists have discoverd DNA evidence that Homo Sapiens mated with Neanderthals. They tested the DNA of 500 conservatives and concluded that the Neanderthal link was indisputable. It appears that the ability to reason and work out complex problems was missing from nearly 90% of the conservatives tested, linking them to Neanderthal. It also appears that the empathy gene was missing from early Neanderthal and may very well have been passed on to modern conservatives.
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nasknit
Freedom isn't free.
08:33 PM on 03/29/2012
Very funny! Guess what? Last I heard from Anthropologists, WE are all descended from the Neanderthals.
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mw21
flyfishing, education, grandkids
11:50 AM on 03/30/2012
Guess what? If the "WE" you are referring to are non-thinking, uninformed and uneducated people like yourselves, you have managed to prove that my little joke has some truth to it. Perhaps you are descended from Neanderthals. However, anthropologists will tell you that Neanderthal was a parallel branch on the chain of homonid development and not in a direct line with Homo sapiens. Recent DNA mapping seems to suggest that Homo sapiens and Neanderthal did indeed mate (that part is not a joke) and that perhaps the bits of Neanderthal DNA that survives in some humans explains the recent regression of thought led by the neo-conservatives of today (that is my joke part). But in short, we are not all descended from Neanderthal. Even though you seem to think that you are.