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Businesses Mobilize Against Jobless Drug Testing Bill In Arizona

Posted: 03/28/2012 10:01 am Updated: 03/28/2012 10:05 am

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Arizona state Sen. Steve Smith (R-Maricopa), left, and Rep. Russ Jones (R-Yuma), both members of the newly formed the special committee of the Arizona Legislature called the Joint Border Security Advisory Committee.

Arizona's business community has mobilized against an effort in the state legislature to make jobless Arizonans pee in cups in order to receive unemployment insurance.

A bill to drug test the jobless passed the state Senate last month and is up for consideration in the state House. The Republicans pushing the legislation seem unconcerned that if it were to become law, the drug testing bill would trigger a massive tax hike for Arizona businesses.

Bill author Sen. Steve Smith (R-Maricopa) told HuffPost weeks ago that the only goal of his bill is to make sure unemployed people don't spend their benefits on drugs. "The very least you ought to be able to do is prove that you're of sound mind to get a job," Smith said.

Smith and his colleagues in the state Senate may have been unaware when they voted that the bill would jack up business taxes, even though the U.S. Department of Labor had notified the state that the measure's drug testing scheme would be against federal rules, resulting in a loss of federal unemployment tax credits. "I believe in my heart of hearts that lawmakers in the Senate were not aware of the consequences," Michelle Bolton, a lobbyist for the Greater Phoenix Chamber of Commerce, said in an interview.

But members of the state House Appropriations Committee were definitely on notice, both that the bill wouldn't fly under federal law and that it was all but guaranteed to trigger a successful court challenge on constitutional grounds.

Committee member state Rep. Matt Heinz (D-Tucson) said business opposition to the bill was perfectly clear before the committee voted. "You had the Chamber of Commerce there jumping up and down, waving their arms and screaming, 'No don't do this!'"

It didn't matter; Smith's bill passed the committee with Republican support.

Rep. Russ Jones (R-Yuma) initially opposed the bill in committee, then flipped his position, he said, to give Smith a chance to change his proposal, which Jones said Smith promised he would do. "If his bill is not amended to my satisfaction, I will be voting no on the Floor and speaking against the bill," Jones said in an email. "He would have to bring his language into compliance with Federal regulation on the same matter."

Bolton said Smith has ignored requests for meetings from business leaders. "He hasn't even talked with the business community," Bolton said. "They are going to Las Vegas and they are gambling with the business community's tax money to play with the unemployment insurance system to do something the [U.S. Department of Labor] has said is not copacetic."

Every business pays state and federal unemployment taxes for each worker on payroll. Most of the federal obligation under the Federal Unemployment Tax Act is offset with tax credits, so long as a state's unemployment laws comply with federal law. Federal law prohibits states from denying benefits for any reason unrelated to whether or not a worker was laid off through no fault of his or her own. Since Smith's bill says workers would lose benefits if they fail a drug test, the state would lose its FUTA tax credits, as well as millions in administrative funding for its unemployment program.

The average Arizona business' federal unemployment tax burden would jump from $42 per employee per year to $420 per employee, according to Bolton's analysis.

Various businesses and business groups like the Arizona Chamber of Commerce and Industry, the Arizona chapter of the National Federation of Independent Businesses, and the Arizona Small Business Association have joined labor and civil liberties advocates in opposition to the bill.

"Regrettably, Sen. Steve Smith’s SB 1495 may have laudatory goals of ensuring that drug addicts aren't abusing our unemployment insurance system but in its execution it would likely result in dramatic and destructive FUTA tax increases on Arizona's small businesses," Farrell Quinlan, Arizona state director for the National Federation of Independent Businesses, said in an email. "SB 1495 has so many problems with federal conformity that it would be reckless to pass this bill and play Russian roulette with employer tax rates."

From the start, Sen. Smith has had a casual attitude about the potential consequences of his legislation. Asked by HuffPost earlier this month if he cared that the bill would almost certainly trigger a lawsuit from the American Civil Liberties Union, he said, "Well, Arizona's no stranger to lawsuits. We've got everybody from the president on down suing us." (Smith has not responded to subsequent interview requests.)

More than a dozen states have considered legislation to drug test the jobless in the past year, but none have actually followed through by passing a law. Arizona is the first state to pursue unemployment drug testing since Congress said in February that states could do so -- but only in limited circumstances, such as when an unemployment claimant was fired for drug use or is seeking work in an industry that commonly tests new hires. Smith said he took encouragement from the new federal law even though he made no effort to comply with it.

"I think he just wants to invade privacy and embarrass folks," Rep. Heinz said. "It's a very mean-spirited piece of legislation for people who are down on their luck."

Bolton stressed that business groups are not opposed to drug testing legislation that complies with federal regulations, such as a proposal from Rep. Karen Fann (R-Prescott).

It will be up to Rules Committee chairman Rep. Jerry Weiers (R-Glendale) whether the legislation sees a vote on the House floor. A Weiers spokeswoman said the chairman had not yet considered the bill.

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Arizona's business community has mobilized against an effort in the state legislature to make jobless Arizonans pee in cups in order to receive unemployment insurance. A bill to drug test the jobl...
Arizona's business community has mobilized against an effort in the state legislature to make jobless Arizonans pee in cups in order to receive unemployment insurance. A bill to drug test the jobl...
 
 
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Tommygun264 04:52 PM on 03/28/2012
This has nothing to do with drugs and everything to do with shaming and punishing the poor and less fortunate. These neo-Calvinist authoritarians believe they have money and power because God has found them righteous & morally superior, and those without money and power are being punished by God for some moral failing. They think that the poor and less fortunate are in the situation they find themselves  Read More...
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Tom Servo
Please Proceed
08:50 PM on 03/31/2012
Typical day in Arizona politics. Republicans are now Pro-Tax ?
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Joseph Leslie
12:58 PM on 03/30/2012
This is a step in the right direction, but there are situations where the use of "non prescribed medications" can be hazardous! It may be better to use the testing after the person is hired as a condition of employment! Another step in the right direction, is to give the unemployed preference in hiring. CANADA, our friendly neighbor to the North, has allocated $2Billion (CDN) to help their unemployed get back to work!
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joebikerchef
Mom says I'm special
07:16 PM on 03/29/2012
I don't pay for my weed, so, if I was to collect unemployment, after being constantly employed for at least 30 years, paying into unemployment, the govt. wouldn't have to worry about me using my benefits for "drugs"

The only time I could really think of when an employee should be tested is if they could hurt or kill someone while working
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cschoenen
"Evil conquers when good men do nothing"
10:59 AM on 03/29/2012
So wanted to elaborate.....#1 As I stated before I am a Federal Employee required to have random drug tests.....and as I stated, its not fair to require me to have one and not someone taking federal tax dollars as a hand out not to be required the same thing.
This should make perfect sense to liberals considering democrates have went on the attack on some of the very things to over-see.....
Studies show the link between Poverty and Drug and Alcohol abuse and not only that but Obesity in this nation. Democrates are out fighting obesity by regulating processed food and trying to outlaw some processed foods.....So why not have our Federal Govt. lead by example to fight the two very things troubling those in the poverty level?
If required to receive Federal money it should only be spent on Certain food items or govt. store made for food stamps and maintain to be drug free with random drug tests....two things will either happen....more people will find incentive to get off welfare or we will see a cleaner healthier group of individuals on welfare....how is that not a win-win situation?
http://www.ajcn.org/content/79/1/6.full
http://www.vaada.org.au/resources/items/2005/08/16142-upload-00001.pdf
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04:24 PM on 03/29/2012
Even if it drives up taxes, you can always look for another job where your not tested, that is very different from falling on hard times because you are laid off through no fault of your own. and these is no link between layoffs and more or the start of drug use. There is absolutely no link between laid off workers and drug abuse or alcohol abuse that is an outright lie.
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04:28 PM on 03/29/2012
So all SS recipients, on medicare, all senators, congressman, business get SBA loans, states, foreign nations, ect should all also be submitting as well they receive fed money.

And what makes you think everyone laid off is suddenly living poverty? ever been laid off? no your one of those overpaid Govt employees draing out budget!!
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bd7769
I am so often right, that I am a progressive
10:11 AM on 03/29/2012
and just think of all of the money we save if we cancelled the war on drugs.
09:51 AM on 03/29/2012
REPUBLICANS WANT GOVERMENT OUT OF OUR LIFES, WITH ONE EXCEPTION, A WOMANS UTERUS.
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cschoenen
"Evil conquers when good men do nothing"
11:09 AM on 03/29/2012
and based off that....why not just legalize murder.....sounds like your plan!
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amluvinit2
When angry, count to four; when very angry, swear.
12:25 PM on 03/29/2012
Now, that's not true. Maybe if we focused on taking care of the children already born, that would be a start. There are so many older children in the Foster care system, that isn't working for them. Also, cutting programs like planned parenthood, would only increase the number of children. Everyone wants babies, not older children. www.adoptuskids.org/meet-the-children It's sad that many of these children are somebody's pay check. Over 250,000 children are now in the Foster care system. That's an astounding number. That number will increase unless we give women the proper tools, and choices.
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Youhavegottobekiddingme
Chamberlain, South Dakota
01:01 PM on 04/03/2012
"why not just legalize murder"

Remember you said that....

The next time you're masturbating.
09:49 AM on 03/29/2012
THE FOOL'S THINK ONLY DEMOCRATS AND LIBERALS ARE UNEMPLOYED.
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tbone99
cruisin' duality
09:55 AM on 03/29/2012
Or that only Dems and liberals use drugs!
Let see them drug test Wall St and round up small town good old boys.
I'm sure the drug test failure rate would be sky high
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cschoenen
"Evil conquers when good men do nothing"
09:20 AM on 03/29/2012
How is this a bad thing? I work for the Federal Government and I am required to have random tests done. If someone is getting a paycheck (unemployment) from the federal govt. then why should they be excluded? As it stated "making sure someone is of sound mind and judgement".....makes sense to me, considering someone needs to be focused to find another job......if you're against it, please tell my boss to that he shouldn't be allowed to make me test every year then....
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Dev Austin
Haters are my motivators
09:38 AM on 03/29/2012
Based on your logic everyone receiving federal or state dollars or benefiting from tax dollars should be drug tested. I wonder how many of these elected officials will lose their jobs? Where would the money come from for all these ongoing tests for almost everyone in the US?

In other words, regardless of the constitutionality of the law, where is the cost benefits of such a move?

I also thought that the GOP supposedly is for less government....this law is doing just the opposite
Linda from Deerfield
Paying attention
09:49 AM on 03/29/2012
They never have answers to these good questions.
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cschoenen
"Evil conquers when good men do nothing"
10:39 AM on 03/29/2012
And based off my logic we nearly do....when I was in the military it was random drug tests. When I worked for the State of MT painting HUD developments it was required by the state to have random drug tests....and now that I work on a military base (not as a soldier) I am also required random drug tests as a federal employee.
Don't get me wrong, I am all for helping someone in need but it got really tainted when I went throughout the state of MT from HUD TO HUD and listened to garbage and watched the abuse of American tax dollars at work by a majority of those people on welfare....if you think I am full of it....please, work around them or go to their communities for a few weeks and you'll see what I saw.

The benefits? Well when we talk about our society being "obese", or unhealthy based off our choices from processed food to alchohol to smoking to ? Why wouldn't it make sense to lead by example? If your getting a hand-out you should be required to only get certain items with it correct? Considering studies have shown the most unhealthy americans are of poverty level. This type of regulation would fit perfectly and it toe with liberal thinking......so the law should make perfect sense to liberals who want more control...or is it upsetting and just reason to fight it because it came from the right?
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11:54 AM on 03/29/2012
Why are you posting during work hours?
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cschoenen
"Evil conquers when good men do nothing"
03:51 PM on 03/29/2012
its called my alotted 15 minute breaks and my 1 hour lunch.....thanks
09:15 AM on 03/29/2012
Senators and Congressmen/women should have to test every month.
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OCCUPYHERALD
Live, Love, Laugh,share, grow.
04:48 PM on 03/29/2012
a Big wheel with their pictures on it, 2 winners every day!
09:07 AM on 03/29/2012
Seems this Republican form of freedom isn't free.
09:02 AM on 03/29/2012
I thought the repubs didn't want government in our lives? Just like the vaginal probe mandate they tried to institute in Va., like voter suppression laws that require voters to have an state issued ID or phto ID, like in Fla where it's against the law for people or organizations to register citizens to vote, or whether it's the repubs attacking the God given rights of gay and lesbian people, workers rights, union rights, women rights, where they will force those of us who have health care to pay for all the one's who won't purchase health care. Vote repub if you want, these extreme ideas and legislation will set us back to where we nay never recover.
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bluefl
Nothing good follows "it is what it is
11:45 AM on 03/29/2012
Correction the vaginal probe is passed and signed in VA last I heard. They just are trying to downplay!
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OCCUPYHERALD
Live, Love, Laugh,share, grow.
04:53 PM on 03/29/2012
In pennsylvania the bill says , that the univasive ultra sound will be used unless the Heart beat can not be heard! In that case, the invasive wand will be used! How lovely! Our gov. Tom Corbett, said when asked" ladies , Ladies, "Just close your eyes!" does he want them to close their ears as well? Republicans, when they say smaller goverment, they mean tiny employees ever where!
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dayvidBrooks
08:38 AM on 03/29/2012
I say we compromise on this, the jobless will agree to pee in a cup, if the repubs agree to hold the cup while they do it.
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O4US
I'll go with the 'Blue', thank you
09:20 AM on 03/29/2012
Hahaha ... oops! Missed.
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Thinking Conservative
To err is human to forgive is not my policy
10:07 AM on 03/29/2012
Since it will be free, Republicans find it more palatable than Grape Kool Aid?
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Peter Combs
Amused by the illogical..no, NOT a Republican
08:36 AM on 03/29/2012
No one should be drug tested for any reason....total invasion of privacy.

If its a legtal matter, a court case, fine test away!...beyond that forget it.
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tbone99
cruisin' duality
09:57 AM on 03/29/2012
It's always seemed to me that it violates the 5th amendment, to not incriminate yourself
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Tom Servo
Please Proceed
08:53 PM on 03/31/2012
Truth. It's civil right not to be probed.
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Jeff Rosenbury
I love all people -- in the abstract
08:20 AM on 03/29/2012
More retirees voting for "Law and order" that doesn't affect them. Try instituting tests for social security and pain meds. See how far that would get.

It is a race between Florida and Arizona to see which can be the cruelest. Arizona was doing so well until Florida started issuing hunting licenses to the neighborhood watch. Now they're playing catch up.

Were old people always this mean?
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Twohairydogs
My micro-brew is empty
10:04 AM on 03/29/2012
They've run amuck!
11:08 AM on 03/29/2012
I am not for drug testing for benefits and seniors are not as a rule mean. They are from an earlier generation that had little experience with drugs and are fearful of those who use them. Their solutions to the problems are not what more knowledgeable might choose. As those in their forties and fifties move to the majority, I would hope more senseable solutions would be found. I favor legalization and I am a senior. It is perhaps a more brutal solution but I believe in survival of the sober.
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Jeff Rosenbury
I love all people -- in the abstract
03:48 PM on 03/29/2012
Seniors are not all mean. Yet Snowbird states are.

Florida police took a man suffering from dementia and locked him in a chair specially designed to limit movement. They then stuck a bag over his head and filled the bag with peeper spray. The man died 12 hours later from pain and circulatory problems.

When the incident was investigated the investigators concluded that the police acted appropriately.

I was taught that the lesson of Christ's death on the cross was the compassion Christ offered even to his torturers. In the snowbird states the lesson drawn is that Romans were wimps who didn't understand proper torture techniques.
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usrgfox43
liberating libs one lib at a time
08:17 AM on 03/29/2012
wow--i just answered tommy gun but huffpost blanked it