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Supreme Court Justices Take Health Care Case Behind Closed Doors

Supreme Court Justices Health Care

MARK SHERMAN   03/29/12 05:10 PM ET  AP

WASHINGTON — While the rest of us have to wait until June, the justices of the Supreme Court will know the likely outcome of the historic health care case by the time they go home this weekend.

After months of anticipation, thousands of pages of briefs and more than six hours of arguments, the justices will vote on the fate of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul in under an hour Friday morning. They will meet in a wood-paneled conference room on the court's main floor. No one else will be present.

In the weeks after this meeting, individual votes can change. Even who wins can change, as the justices read each other's draft opinions and dissents.

But Friday's vote, which each justice probably will record and many will keep for posterity, will be followed soon after by the assignment of a single justice to write a majority opinion, or in a case this complex, perhaps two or more justices to tackle different issues. That's where the hard work begins, with the clock ticking toward the end of the court's work in early summer.

The late William Rehnquist, who was chief justice for nearly 19 years, has written that the court's conference "is not a bull session in which off-the-cuff reactions are traded." Instead, he said, votes are cast, one by one in order of seniority.

The Friday conference also is not a debate, says Brian Fitzpatrick, a Vanderbilt University law professor who worked for Justice Antonin Scalia 10 years ago. There will be plenty of time for the back-and-forth in dueling opinions that could follow.

"There's not a whole lot of give and take at the conference. They say, `This is how I'm going to vote' and give a few sentences," Fitzpatrick said.

It will be the first time the justices gather as a group to discuss the case. Even they do not always know in advance what the others are thinking when they enter the conference room adjacent to Chief Justice John Roberts' office.

By custom, they shake hands. Then Roberts will take his seat at the head of a rectangular table. Scalia, the longest serving among them, will be at the other end. The other seven justices also sit according to seniority, the four most junior on one side across from the other three.

"They generally find out how the votes line up at the conference," said Orin Kerr, a George Washington University law professor who worked for Justice Anthony Kennedy nine years ago.

The uncertainty may be especially pronounced in this case, where the views of Roberts and Kennedy are likely to decide the outcome, Kerr said in an interview Thursday. "I don't think anyone knows. I'm not sure Justice Kennedy knows."

No one's vote counts more than the others', but because they speak in order of seniority, it will become clear fairly quickly what will become of the health care overhaul.

That's because Roberts speaks first, followed by Scalia, then Kennedy. If the three men hold a common view, the Obama health care overhaul probably is history. If they don't, it probably survives.

If Roberts is in the majority, he will assign the main opinion, and in a case of this importance, he may well write it himself, several former law clerks said. If Roberts is a dissenter, the senior justice in the majority assigns the opinion.

The court won't issue its ruling in a case until drafts of majority opinions and any dissents have circulated among the justices, changes have been suggested and either accepted or rejected.

"These justices aren't locked in. Minds have changed during the drafting process and minds have changed after opinions have been circulated," said Rick Garnett, associate dean and professor of law at Notre Dame Law School who worked for Rehnquist 15 years ago.

In one celebrated case decided in 1992, Rehnquist initially assigned Kennedy to write a majority opinion for five justices allowing prayers at public school graduations. In the end, Kennedy ended up writing the opinion for a different five-justice majority striking down the graduation prayers. According to several accounts, Kennedy simply changed his mind during the writing process.

No one will know precisely when decisions on particular cases will be coming, until perhaps Roberts ends a court session in late June by announcing the next meeting will be the last until October. Then it's a safe bet that whatever hasn't been decided will be on the last day. And decisions in the biggest cases very often aren't announced until that last day of the term.

Supreme Court opinions rarely find their way to the public before they are read in the marble courtroom, although the court inadvertently posted opinions and orders on its website about a half hour too soon in December.

The last apparent security breach occurred more than 30 years ago when Tim O'Brien, then a reporter for ABC News, informed viewers that the court planned to issue a particular opinion the following day. Chief Justice Warren Burger accused an employee in the printing shop of tipping O'Brien and had the employee transferred to a different job.

Sometimes, though, the justices themselves manage to let people know something big is coming.

On May 17, 1954, the attorney general, secretary of state and Nina Warren, wife of the chief justice, were in the courtroom when Earl Warren read the historic, unanimous opinion in Brown v. Board of Education outlawing school segregation.

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WASHINGTON — While the rest of us have to wait until June, the justices of the Supreme Court will know the likely outcome of the historic health care case by the time they go home this weekend. ...
WASHINGTON — While the rest of us have to wait until June, the justices of the Supreme Court will know the likely outcome of the historic health care case by the time they go home this weekend. ...
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dee50
Vouchercare-No Way!
10:54 AM on 03/30/2012
Why did the Republicans Hate Romney so much?

Because of Romneycare and it will be impossible for Romney to have any valid argument against Affordable Healthcare when everybody knows it's the same health care program.

The R's hate the Affordable Health Care and there # 1 goal is to try to repeal. Why, because they do not receive their money (kick backs) from the Insurance Companies and the likes.......

As an example, the Affordable Health Care requires 80-85% of your premium must be spent on care.... They can only use 15% of income based premiums on administrative fees or in the profit margin, cutting out the middle man. Repubs, not telling you that
09:04 AM on 03/30/2012
Will somebody please post where in our Constitution , Bill of Rights, or anywhere on the face of this earth, it says you are entitled to health ins.? Where it states you are entitled to have another pay for it? Where it states that the Govt or anyone else is responsible to be your parent ? NOWHERE - If you cannot afford to care for your family -your children - do not have them. It is called responsibility - parenting-and paying your bills -and doctors, ins. are included in those bills and they are yours, not mine.
10:23 AM on 03/30/2012
Where does it sate that you must buy Auto Insurance or pay for Social Security, Medicare or Unemployment insurance?
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dee50
Vouchercare-No Way!
10:51 AM on 03/30/2012
Good question??
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kevmi16
SEENITBEFORE
11:08 AM on 03/30/2012
If you don't own a car you do not have to buy car insurance. Obamacare makes you pay if you breath. Poor comparison
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Connie Murray
10:58 AM on 03/30/2012
The US Constitution doesn't guarantee health insurance, or Social Security or Medicare. But if Obamacare goes so does Social Security and Medicare. Wow, you just killed Grandma!
11:23 AM on 03/30/2012
social security and medicare have no penalty if you don't have income nor do you need to buy anything from a third party

but thanks for trying
11:31 PM on 03/29/2012
LOL Romney Care has the same manadate just about, however it is not unconstituional------Dems will never spin it away if in June the Supreme Court rules against Obama Care......just to remind us not one Republican voted in favor for it on final passage-----Zero
08:13 AM on 03/30/2012
Which just shows how the goose-stepping party of "let them eat cake," really feels about the middle and lower classes or which all of you are. If you don't make a minimum of a million a year... you are NOT one of them. Why do righties never quite fully grasp this?
11:23 AM on 03/30/2012
that is a state issue not federal
10:15 PM on 03/29/2012
The far right leaning supreme court is quickly becoming not a judicial branch but the branch who legislates from the bench. Maybe we no longer need a congress, if these people are left unchecked.
dhartson
I don't need no "stinking badges"!
01:18 AM on 03/30/2012
bull!
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Jeramie Shebester
Corporations are people.
08:03 AM on 03/30/2012
Lol, excuses excuses. The law is illegal, unconstitutional, plain and simple.

I'll tell you who legislates from the bench, the four justices that can look at the second amendment and decide that "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" means that the right to keep and bear arms can be infringed just because they don't personally like guns. THAT'S who legislates from the bench.
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dee50
Vouchercare-No Way!
11:42 AM on 03/30/2012
Nickel or dime?
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Activist Annie
12:07 PM on 03/31/2012
The Supreme Court misinterpreted the Second Amendment to mean that anyone today could carry/have a weapon when this Amendment had to do with the militia's (only) right to bear arms. Their interpretation seemed to have been motivated by the NRA.
08:40 PM on 03/29/2012
The Heath Care Reform Act will close the Medicare "doughnut hole"

Vice President Joe Biden spoke to folks in Miami about Medicare, and laid out a clear contrast between President Obama's and Mitt Romney's plans for it. While Romney plans to end Medicare as we know it and make seniors pay more, President Obama is working to strengthen Medicare and close the famed Medicare prescription drug "doughnut hole," which forces some seniors to pay thousands of dollars for prescription medications out of pocket.

It's just one way that President Obama is making sure that when people retire, they can do it securely -- and with dignity.

Does this sound unconstitutional?

Obama 2012!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
jgrant129
aut viam inveniam aut faciam
08:44 PM on 03/29/2012
Make sure you plant a few money trees in your back garden. Someone is going to have to pay for this thing...
09:06 PM on 03/29/2012
Well, we could have ended the welfare to the oil industry to save money, but no, the Republicans in Congress said NO to that today. Even if 70+% of Americans believe that this would be a good idea.

If the rich paid their fair share that would help.

However, so you believe that seniors should have to choose between food and their medication?

Obama 2012!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
09:18 PM on 03/29/2012
Are you that blind, niave or insane??
ObamaCare cuts a half a TRILLION dollars from medicare. Forcing it into insolvency even faster.
Romney's plan... much like Paul Ryan's ... LEAVES MEDICARE ALONE for EVERYONE OVER 55!! and requires a sliding scale of increased participation... the younger you are the higher your percantage contribution . Much like the recovery most STATES and CITIES dying under the weight of bloated Union Retirement benefits have pursued!
This is the ONLY way to
Secure our Senior's futures NOW!
Fix the bleeding of Medicare (due to fail by 2020 by CBO accounting - 2018 if ObamaCare is enacted.)
and keep health care costs under control.
KEEPING what we have and ADDING free benefits.... makes ZERO sense except to a Dem who thinks FREE is FREE??.
Remember... ObamaCare is now over a NEW TRILLION dollars.... to be borrowed from the Chinese (again!)....DOUBLE the supposedly ANALYSED cost the Dembos proposed.

IT eliminates more than 2.3 million current worker packages.
"KEEP WHAT YOU HAVE" is a great campaign slogan but BS.
The 220,000 Boeing FIXED pension retirees are but ONE of the more than 340 Company plans already shrinking. Retiress have already seen their co-pays double, major medical drop 20% and deductibles up 50%.(I have the letters! )
Keep what you have? Nonsense. Nothing is free and NO ONE can afford or reasonably want the destruction and loss of freedom this hodgepodge of midnight scribbling will bring.
NOBAMA 2012!.
10:56 PM on 03/29/2012
From PolitiFact.com: "... the statement that the health care law "will cut $500 billion from Medicare" was rated Mostly False."

How can the Republicans justify commiting fraud by taking away the Medicare benefits that millions of Americans under age 55 have paid for? Do YOU believe that STEALING those monies from American workers is Constitutional? Take from those under 55 to pay for those 55 and over!

And the HEALTH CARE REFORM ACT is a LAW that was legally passed by Congress and signed into law by the President of the United States of America!

Without the Health Care Reform Act employers are free to eliminate current worker packages.

Do NOT blame Health Care Reform or President Obama if private companies are making cuts. Even before we ever heard of Barack Obama companies have been providing less wage and benefit increases to workers.

And sadly with what the Republicans plan, the middle class and poor will lose even more to support welfare for the rich.

Obama 2012!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
11:05 PM on 03/29/2012
Oh, and your comment about the weight States and cities now feel over PAST PROMISES made to WORKERS.

The blame for that is NOT unions. It is those who were too worried about re-election. Rather than budget in increases to the workers, they made big promises about health care and retirement benefits to their workers. And they failed to budget in to pay for those promises! They made a show of keeping taxes down. What they did was pass the problem of payment to the future. Well, that future in NOW.

And rather than place the blame where it belongs, those who worked hard are attacked!

And the Republicans want to take away those promises from those who fulfilled their part of the contract and worked hard for the State or the city!

Obama 2012!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
08:36 PM on 03/29/2012
If the Supreme Court does find parts of this law unconstitutional, then President Obama should go for single payer coverage. That is the real health care reforem our Nation needs!

Obama 2012!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
jgrant129
aut viam inveniam aut faciam
08:45 PM on 03/29/2012
Congress won't pass it. It will be DOA.
09:17 PM on 03/29/2012
It all depends on the November elections........

Also, changes could be made to Medicare and Medicaid to cover more Americans....

Obama 2012!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
07:57 PM on 03/29/2012
I am STILL waiting for some Liberal to explain to me why is it that if this Health Care law is so good for us, how come hundreds of waivers have been granted, exempting mostly union groups from having to participate?

Any Liberals that can honestly answer that one?
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sandals
08:06 PM on 03/29/2012
If you had a pre existing condition insurance companies can no longer turn you down from coverage,access to health screenings for women, children can stay on parents insurance until they are 26 and it closes the doughnut hole on the Medicare Part D for the elderly!
Maybe you should read:
U.S. Constitution
Preamble
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
08:28 PM on 03/29/2012
I hope that under Obamacare you receive the mental help you obviously need....good luck pal.
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Katrena Mills
Funny thing about the truth is it never changes
10:25 PM on 03/29/2012
Right now they can't deny you coverage because of a Pre-Existing condition it isn't going to change what you don't grasp is THEY STILL DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THE PRE-EXISTING ISSUE!!!! You all keep confusing coverage with paying for NOTHING IS CHANGING except NOW you can be charged a Tax Penalty and Go to JAIL for owning back taxes!!!!
08:33 PM on 03/29/2012
Gee, I am not certain, but I would guess that it is because the union workers already have health insurance.

As President Obama has said, there would be little changes for those who already have health insurance.

Obama 2012!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
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Margot707
"Liberal" is not a dirty word
02:17 AM on 03/30/2012
Hmmm "My case for example exemplifies the inequities the Health Act embodies." Poor choice of words, there at the end.

"My case for example, exemplifies the inequities the Health Care Act addresses."
08:44 AM on 03/30/2012
Well, I already have health insurance, but I am not getting a waiver.
07:57 PM on 03/29/2012
It has been reported of late that Roberts has become concerned about the reputation of his court. He realizes the political votes on the Court and knows that responsibility for that ultimately redounds to the Chief Justice. To produce another 5-4 decision on this case would not be good for him or for the country. This is another one of those cases (there have been only a handful in the countrys' history) where the Court is electing to rule on the constitutionality of legislation democratically passed by Congress. Since John Marshall invented judicial review, (it was not in the Constitution) when the result was split on ideological grounds,the reputation of the court has suffered. Since the Court is held in such low esteem now anyway, it would be in his interest to allow what is clearly a constitutional law to stand.
jgrant129
aut viam inveniam aut faciam
08:23 PM on 03/29/2012
Unless you are a Supreme Court Justice, I think we had better leave it up to them to determine whether or not the law is constitutional...
09:04 PM on 03/29/2012
Really? You think the only constitutional experts are on the Court? Clearly you know nothing about it but some people have devoted a great deal of study to it and are not on the Court.
08:29 PM on 03/29/2012
Excellent...what resoning, what double talk...academy award acting...you are good indeed...what acting coach do you have?
09:06 PM on 03/29/2012
People don't often engage you in conversation do they? That is because you make no sense and have nothing to contribute. Now run along and find something you might be good at- Maybe playing in a sandbox?
10:58 AM on 03/30/2012
WOW, here I am admiring you rhetorical and drama skills and you won't even tell me where you trained...don't be so selfish, I also want to break into drama and acting like you.
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Southernmost
07:56 PM on 03/29/2012
Chief Justice John Roberts is an Opus Dei Catholic. It is an extreme wing of the Catholic Church . Another famous Opus Dei is Mel Gibson. It's well known Roberts dislikes Obama. I'm sure he can put his feelings aside and be impartial when judging the merits of the Health Care Act. NOT!!!
08:01 PM on 03/29/2012
Santorum is a member of Opus Dei as well. Just sayin......
jgrant129
aut viam inveniam aut faciam
08:26 PM on 03/29/2012
What about Satomeyer and Kegan. Do you really think they will be impartial. NOT!
dhartson
I don't need no "stinking badges"!
01:21 AM on 03/30/2012
nope, just more left lib mor.ons
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bccpn
Links are not posted to be ignored
07:37 PM on 03/29/2012
Wish we could all hear the first vote. Hope it leaks out I need a good laugh it has been a long 31/2 years
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bccpn
Links are not posted to be ignored
07:35 PM on 03/29/2012
200.000 post mostly the left telling all of us how this was going to pass now with the oncoming downfall of the mandate just 2000 post. They do not want the humiliation but they will return with a spin on this like it is a good thing for them.
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bccpn
Links are not posted to be ignored
07:32 PM on 03/29/2012
Well now Obama has shown he is as good a constitutional lawyer as he is an economist.
07:48 PM on 03/29/2012
What a funny thing to write when we do not know the Supreme Court's decision yet. What is they find it constitutional? Will you offer a written apology?

Under President Obama the economy has improved quite a bit from the financial free fall the last Republican President left the Nation in! And we have had 2 YEARS of positive private sector job growth. And the facts do prove that the Republicans in Congress have done very little to assist with the recovery we have.

Obama 2012!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
jgrant129
aut viam inveniam aut faciam
08:35 PM on 03/29/2012
Yeah, the deficit and national debt are coming along nicely as well. We'll be bankrupt in no time.
07:25 PM on 03/29/2012
I'm a physician, and just what they need for this new program...both primary care and a specialist. Folks, I would never work under these govt. watchdogs and economic threats and intimidation. Forunately I have licenses in other field than medicine and I'm opting out of being an intimidated silent doctor. I graduated a nice medical school in Manhattan. The govt. to implement this program will replace American med. grads with second rate failures from Carribean, Mexican, and European schools...your average c minus crowd. The rest will be immigrants who speak no English, mostly from SE Asian schools. Yes folks, isn't America a first rate country? Goodbye medicine, another lib/Dem. casualty.
11:21 AM on 03/30/2012
Goodbye to you too!
05:05 PM on 03/30/2012
Oh, thanks, living a great life outside the sick Beltway. Bye .
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bccpn
Links are not posted to be ignored
07:24 PM on 03/29/2012
I see a few liberals have gotten some talking points together. You are asking how to get health care I have a very good plan that has worked since 1972 it is called a job.
jgrant129
aut viam inveniam aut faciam
07:32 PM on 03/29/2012
Let me get this straight... you are expecting them to work? That's crazy talk!
08:45 PM on 03/29/2012
Let me get this straight... you have met every single liberal in the country? Gasp! A conservative talking out of their rear? No... couldn't be!
08:38 PM on 03/29/2012
And what about those who, through no fault of their own, are physically unable to work? Oh, wait.........I forgot the republican philosophy regarding that ; they should just quietly die.
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cskirk
07:12 PM on 03/29/2012
A great quote

"Let me get this straight...

We're going to be "gifted" with a healthcare plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it, but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke...!"

"What the hell could possibly go wrong...?"
07:20 PM on 03/29/2012
Best post in a long time,,...congrats!
jgrant129
aut viam inveniam aut faciam
07:29 PM on 03/29/2012
Makes perfect sense. The government is here to help! LOL