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Trayvon Martin: Before The World Heard The Cries

Trayvon Martin

First Posted: 04/ 3/2012 2:21 pm Updated: 04/ 3/2012 6:04 pm


By Daniel Trotta

SANFORD, Fla., April 3 (Reuters) - Tracy Martin had been looking for his son Trayvon since the night before. He went to bed figuring the teen must have gone to the movies and turned off his phone. When Trayvon still wasn't home in the morning, Martin called the police.

After a flurry of phone calls back and forth, an officer told him a police unit was on the way.

"So I went outside waiting for Trayvon to show up," Martin said.

Instead of one squad car with his son in the backseat, three vehicles pulled up: a police cruiser, an unmarked sedan and another official-looking car. Martin would discover the third car belonged to a chaplain.

It was not yet 8 in the morning, barely 12 hours since the shooting that took place about 100 yards away, and Martin was still unaware of the fate of his son.

The Feb. 26 shooting death of Trayvon Martin, 17, at the hands of George Zimmerman, 28, a neighborhood watch captain who said he acted in self-defense, has riveted the nation, largely because of race. Trayvon Martin was black. George Zimmerman is white and Hispanic.

For about 10 days, the story remained obscure. Television news from nearby Orlando aired a few segments. The Orlando Sentinel published two brief articles, and the twice-weekly Sanford Herald ran 213 words. Otherwise, there was media silence.

This is an account of what happened before everyone knew Trayvon Martin's name.


BREAKING THE NEWS

When Tracy Martin greeted the police that morning, a plainclothes detective asked him to describe his son. "He asked me what he last had on. He asked me if I had any recent pictures," Martin said. "I showed him a recent picture in the camera and he shook his head and said, 'OK, let me go to my car and get something.'"

The detective returned with a folder. It was drizzling, and he asked Martin if they could go inside. When they were seated he pulled out a photo.

It was Trayvon, dead at the scene - his eyes rolled back, a tear on his cheek, saliva coming from his mouth.

"From that point, our nightmare," Martin said.

'YOU GOT ME'

The night his son was killed, Martin, 45, was out to dinner with his fiancƩe, Brandy Green.

Martin, who was divorced from Trayvon's mother, Sybrina Fulton, in 1999, is a truck driver from Miami who has a long-distance relationship with Green, a resident of the Retreat at Twin Lakes subdivision in Sanford where Zimmerman also lived.

Martin would visit Green on weekends, making the four-hour drive to the Orlando suburb of Sanford. In late February he was able to bring his son because Trayvon, a junior, was serving a 10-day suspension from Miami's Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School. He'd been caught with a plastic baggie that contained traces of marijuana.

On Wednesday, the day after receiving the news, Martin went to the Sanford Police Department looking for answers - a nd his son's body. Police took him to a room and played some of the 911 recordings of neighbors who called to report a disturbance followed by a gunshot. They did not play an earlier call to a police non-emergency line, during which Zimmerman reported a "suspicious guy" and ignored the operator's suggestion to quit following him.

Investigator Chris Serino then took Martin to another room and told him Zimmerman's version of events. Sanford police have stopped talking to reporters about the case, and Serino has never spoken publicly about his role in it, but here is how Martin recalls what Serino said:

"He told me Zimmerman's story was that Zimmerman was of course following him and that Trayvon approached his vehicle, walked up to the car and asked Zimmerman, 'Why are your following me?' Zimmerman then rolls his car windows down, tells Trayvon 'I'm not following you.' He rolls his car windows up.

"Trayvon walks off. Zimmerman said he started running between the buildings. Zimmerman gets out of his car. He comes around the building. Trayvon is hiding behind the building, waiting on him. Trayvon approaches him and says, 'What's your problem, homes?' Zimmerman says 'I don't have a problem.'

"Zimmerman starts to reach into his pocket to get his cellphone, and at that point Trayvon attacked him. He says Trayvon hits him. He falls on the ground. Trayvon jumps on top of him, takes his left hand and covers Zimmerman's mouth and tells him to shut the F up and continues to pound on him.

"At that point Zimmerman is able to unholster his weapon and fire a shot, striking Trayvon in the chest. Trayvon falls on his back and says, 'You got me.'"

The Martin family has been telling their story as part of a campaign to have Zimmerman arrested. He himself has kept quiet.

Sanford police have declined numerous requests for comment on any aspect of the story, even before a special prosecutor overseeing the case invoked a state law that restricts otherwise public information in the course of an active criminal investigation.

Zimmerman has not spoken publicly, since any statements he makes could affect future litigation against him. Though he is free, he remains in hiding.

His father, brother, and defense lawyer, Craig Sonner, have said in interviews that Zimmerman is not racist and has been unfairly vilified. He feared for his life during his altercation with Trayvon Martin, they say, and was justified in using deadly force.

In his conversation with Martin, Serino referred to Zimmerman's background as "squeaky clean." Zimmerman had been arrested in 2005 for shoving a state alcohol agent officer during an argument at a bar. Charges were dropped after he entered a special program for first-time offenders. Later that year, his then-girlfriend took out a restraining order, accusing him of domestic violence.

Sanford police released Zimmerman without charge, but Martin says Serino told him he would challenge Zimmerman's account.

"The detective's words were, 'I want to interview him again to catch him in a lie,'" Martin said.

A law-enforcement source, who had been informed of the case by investigators, told Reuters that Serino was eager to bring a charge but encountered resistance from the office of the prosecutor, State Attorney Norman Wolfinger.

"Chris (Serino) would have made a recommendation for manslaughter, but Norm Wolfinger's office wanted it to be a slam dunk," said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "They don't want to hear that this is wrong or that is wrong with the case. That's the way this county does business."

Wolfinger on Monday broke a long silence about the case, denying reports he quashed police intentions to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter.

Although police found no contradictions within Zimmerman's story, their decision not to arrest Zimmerman was lambasted by critics and has sparked demonstrations around the country.

For now there is one arbiter who matters.

Special Prosecutor Angela Corey, a state attorney from northern Florida appointed by Scott on March 22, has taken over the investigation and will decide whether charges are warranted.

ZIMMERMAN DROPS OUT OF SIGHT

Immediately after the shooting, while waiting for police to arrive, neighbor Selma Mora Lamilla saw Zimmerman pacing back and forth, holding his head in his hands.

"He was like, 'Oh my God, what just happened?'" said Mora Lamilla's roommate, Mary Cutcher.

Zimmerman understood the magnitude of his situation right away, said Joe Oliver, a family friend and colleague of Zimmerman's at mortgage risk management firm Digital Risk LCC.

"The day after, he went into his job to let them know what was going on," said Oliver, who has spoken to Zimmerman at least twice since the shooting. "That is the last I know of anyone seeing George."

Zimmerman and his wife moved out of the townhouse they rented in the Twin Lakes complex almost immediately, Oliver said, and they are now living in seclusion.

Across town in Sanford's black neighborhood, word spread quickly that a black teenager had been killed. The shooter, said to be white, had gone free.

As in many cities in the South, Sanford has a long history of racial tension, and black mistrust of the police runs deep. In 2011, a previous Sanford police chief was forced out of the job after a white police officer's son was captured on video sucker-punching a black homeless man outside a bar. Sanford police did not arrest the assailant until video of the attack surfaced on local TV and provoked an outcry from Sanford civil rights leaders.

Now, once again, anger was building. A rumor that superiors had quashed an investigator's intent to charge Zimmerman had already made the rounds in the black community, said Velma Williams, the only black member of the five-person Sanford city commission.

"People were getting suspicious, saying we knew that was going to happen based on history," Williams said in an interview. She went to see Police Chief Bill Lee on Thursday, March 1, four days after the shooting.

"I told him, 'I can see a train coming down the track at 50 miles and hour, and you better get a handle on this,'" Williams said. "He said to me, 'You can rest assured that it's a thorough and objective and fair investigation.'"

Three weeks later, on March 22, when there was still no arrest and the city commission had voted "no confidence" in Lee by 3-2, the chief announced his temporary resignation.

Lee told a news conference that while he stood by the Sanford Police Department, he was stepping aside.

" It is apparent that my involvement in this matter is overshadowing the process," he said. "I do this in the hopes of restoring some semblance of calm to the city, which has been in turmoil for several weeks."


TRAYVON MARTIN AS JOHN DOE

At the time of the shooting, Trayvon Martin was not carrying identification - only $22, a cellphone, and the now familiar bag of candy and can of iced tea. His body, taken to the Volusia County Medical Examiner's office, was tagged as a John Doe.

Although Martin had identified his son to police on Monday, February 27, and asked Serino the next day to issue police clearance for releasing the body, not until Wednesday was a funeral director permitted to drive it back to South Florida.

In Miami, the boy's mother, Sybrina Fulton, 46, a program coordinator for the Miami Dade Housing Authority, stayed home in bed.

"Every little thing kind of frustrates you, especially if you don't have the body ... Just to know the funeral home had the body gave us some comfort," Fulton said.

"I cried every day. There was nothing else I could do as a mother. Thank God his dad was able to run around and take care of things," she said.

The family held a viewing on Friday, March 2. The memorial service and interment were Saturday.

The painful work of laying Trayvon to rest was complete. Now would begin the more difficult search for justice.


FINDING BEN CRUMP

Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton wanted George Zimmerman arrested. They believe he stalked their son because he was black, and they were outraged that Sanford police had accepted Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.

Lee, the police chief, would contend under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law that police could not arrest Zimmerman without evidence to contradict his story.

Martin turned to Patricia Jones, his sister-in-law. An attorney herself, she knew whom to call: Benjamin Crump, the state's best-known civil rights attorney, based in Tallahassee.

Crump and law partner Daryl Parks had previously gained renown representing the family of a black teenager who died in a boot-camp-style youth detention center in 2006, winning the boy's family $7.2 million in damages from the state of Florida and Bay County.

On Tuesday, Feb. 28, Crump was at the Duval County Courthouse in Jacksonville, about 125 miles north of Sanford, arguing that public records should be released in civil litigation over Antonio Cooks. Cooks, a black bail bondsman, had been shot and killed by Jacksonville Sheriff's Officer Jason Bailey while Cooks was serving a warrant and Bailey was responding to a burglary call.

During a break in the hearing, Crump noticed messages from Tyrone Williams, another attorney he knows, and Jones. They urgently asked for his help. Soon Jones put him in touch with Tracy Martin.

"I told him to believe in the system," Crump said of that first call. "I really believed they were going to arrest Zimmerman. I said, 'He's a neighborhood watch person with a gun. Of course they are going to arrest him just for that.'"

"Then 48 hours passed and they still hadn't arrested him," Crump said. "After that we just had to do what we had to do."

He took the case pro bono.

Realizing he needed a lawyer who knew Sanford and Seminole County, Crump turned to Natalie Jackson, a former Navy intelligence officer who founded the Women's Trial Group, which specializes in cases for women and children. Her mother lives in Sanford.

Now Crump and Jackson needed a media strategy.

On March 5, Jackson brought in Ryan Julison, a publicist who had worked with her on a number of high-profile cases. After speaking with Tracy Martin, Julison said he also took the job for free and went to work pitching the story to national media.

Crump knew from his experience on the boot-camp case that publicity could force officials to act, but it would require persuading two people who had never stood before a television camera to withstand the spotlight.

"I got on the phone with Tracy Martin and I told him, 'It's not going to be any fun, but this is the only way to find justice,'" Julison said. "You are going to have to bare your soul and express your emotions and your inner grief."

Martin and Fulton agreed. There was only one problem. At first, the media weren't interested. Julison pitched the story to a long list of media contacts.

Eventually, on March 7, Reuters published a story titled "Family of Florida Boy Killed by Neighborhood Watch Seeks Arrest."

The next day, CBS News aired a segment on "This Morning," and by 10 a.m. a crowd of reporters gathered at Natalie Jackson's law office for a news conference with Ben Crump and Tracy Martin.

A media firestorm had begun.

EPILOGUE: THE 911 RECORDINGS

The day after the news conference, on March 9, Velma Williams went back to see Police Chief Bill Lee with community activist Kenneth Bentley.

"We said, look, chief. Last time I was here I told you a train was coming down the tracks and it was going 50 miles an hour," Williams recalled. "I said it's going 150 miles an hour now. And it doesn't have any brakes."

Back in New York, civil rights activist Al Sharpton was monitoring events, his interest piqued by an earlier call from Crump. After the police chief told reporters on March 12 he lacked a probable cause to arrest Zimmerman, Sharpton took up Trayvon Martin's cause on his MSNBC show, fueling cable television competition.

The twist that catapulted Martin's shooting into a world story was the release of recorded 911 emergency calls, including one that captures screams for help in the background that end with a gunshot. Chief Lee had resisted Crump's requests to make the tapes public, but he was overruled by Sanford Mayor Jeff Triplett.

On the night of Friday, March 16, Triplett invited Trayvon Martin's parents and their legal team into his office to listen to each of the calls, which he played on his computer.

"When we got to the cries for help, that was when Sybrina burst into tears," recalled Jackson. "She said, 'That's Trayvon. That's our son.' She ran out of the room crying." (Zimmerman's brother, Robert, would later swear the voice belonged to George.)

"The mayor himself started to cry," Jackson said. "Everybody in the room was in tears."

Mayor Triplett overruled his police chief and distributed disks of the phone calls to the media that night.

They have been broadcast unceasingly ever since.

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By Daniel Trotta SANFORD, Fla., April 3 (Reuters) - Tracy Martin had been looking for his son Trayvon since the night before. He went to bed figuring the teen must have gone to the mo...
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02:44 AM on 05/02/2012
The government & media's Divide & Conquer strategy seems to be working. The sad truth is while people discuss such a primitive topic like racism our government is quietly stripping all Americans (race, color, creed) of there rights 1 by 1. 9/11 was a planned Coup d'etat of the United States by the United Nations and other foreign agents that would like to bring about a global nation of Communism. Educate yourself!
12:08 AM on 05/01/2012
Brutal hammer massacre and rpes of a Hispanic mother & 10 yr old daughter were carried out by a 22 year old black thug who wears a hoodie. His name is Bryan Clay. He was recently arrested for these horrific crimes in Las Vegas as well as the rpe of a 50 yr old woman just hours before just a few blocks from Martin Luther King.
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EastBishop
Freedom is not a given.
02:02 PM on 05/01/2012
Police have YET to charge a black motorist who shot dead a MENTALLY DISABLED and unarmed "white Hispanic". Event occurred on April 3 shooting by the 22-year-old black man -- Daniel Adkins

Not to mention other RECENT EVENTS!!!
- 13yr white boy who was BURNED ALIVE
- the lynch mob that beat a man nearly to death in is own hard (paint cans, bricks, and metal pipes)
- a 19yr walking alone was taken from behind and beaten with a bat.
- and the stories continue.... to be UN-reported.
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10:42 PM on 04/30/2012
I guess maybe this is all too logical a question. I heard that this 13 year old girl was so upset about Trayvon that she went to the hospital that night. I am not sure if this is just more hype or what.
Either way...why did she not call Trayvons parent...or friends..?????
12:54 PM on 04/27/2012
"The death of Trayvon Martin is a terrible tragedy. As a former Deputy Attorney General who argued for the death penalty in the U.S. Supreme Court, I take a back seat to no one in the desire to bring rightful punishment to a murderer. However, it is unacceptable to allow political talking heads to hijack the judicial process and elevate the demands of political correctness over the constitutional rights of the accused. In America, you are presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt...
12:53 PM on 04/27/2012
...at all and it should absolutely not be tried in the court of public opinion by race baiters and the circus of the 24-hour media. If Zimmerman is an innocent man, he must not be railroaded into a long prison sentence because political correctness demands it.
I don’t know whether the facts support Zimmerman’s position. If the facts are what Zimmerman says, then he is guilty of no crime. Although I favor the ā€œStand Your Groundā€ law, as I’ve always been a staunch defender of our Second Amendment Rights, one may not have to address its merits to resolve this case. If Zimmerman is telling the truth, then this is a simple case of self-defense. Anyone has the right to defend themselves when under extreme physical attack, with or without the Stand Your Ground law....Of course, the facts in this case are not that simple. They are complicated. So much so, that we should let an impartial judge and jury sort them out, and we should respect the conclusion they reach. We should not take to the streets and the talk shows to prematurely proclaim Zimmerman’s guilt in ways that disregard our constitutional freedoms. In Harper Lee’s To Kill A Mockingbird, Atticus Finch reminds us: ā€œYou never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view... until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.ā€ As an American, George Zimmerman deserves no less. George LeMieux,Tampa Tribune
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dblohangel
Rebel with a cause and an attitude!
06:12 PM on 04/05/2012
I wish the Special Investigator/State's Prosecutor Angela Corey would move forward, please, to charge GZ so we can stop this public opinion, extralegal media trial. Let's put this matter in the proper venue so justice, whatever the outcome, can be served for Trayvon Martin's family.
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03:31 PM on 04/05/2012
George needs to be arrested NOW.
01:52 PM on 04/05/2012
The coverup for Zimmerman began the night that he murdered Trayvon. IF, and I mean IF, he is arrested and prosecuted, he will either be given a slap on the risk or found not guilty. That is the way the justice system works if a white person kills a Black person.
06:19 AM on 04/20/2012
What an ignorant comment. Speculate the ending by saying if the man is found innocent, it isn't because he's not innocent but this reason is just garbage. If that were the case, no white people who kill blacks would ever be in jail. The simple fact is that 94 percent of blacks who are killed are killed by black people.
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ignorance begets fear begets violence
01:29 PM on 04/05/2012
I'm very glad to hear the Martin family has excellent legal representation. This bodes well for the outcome, however delayed.
01:08 AM on 04/06/2012
When did they change lawyers?
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hypyrwyf
ignorance begets fear begets violence
12:23 PM on 04/06/2012
I don't think they did, but I'm having trouble keeping up with this story these days, so many articles, so little time. It's in the article above.
08:28 AM on 05/01/2012
sry.. this was funny...
10:37 AM on 04/05/2012
Before Trayvon-Shawn Tyson, Florida Teenager (black), Gets Life Sentence for killing British Tourists James Cooper and James Kouzaris
And in another case that I have been screaming at the top of my lungs about, also in Florida, is the case of Terrance Williams and Felipe Santos, a young black man and a young Mexican man. Eight years ago, in Naples, FL, they were both put in the back of Deputy Steve Calkins' police car and never heard from again.
They were never arrested, never brought to jail. They were put into the back of Deputy Calkins' car and never heard from again. And to this day Deputy Steve Calkins is a free man.
Second Black Man: Andrea Penoyer Tianga, Reality Show Cop, Accused Of Shooting Brandon Johnson During NapThird black man- Howard Morgan, Black Off-Duty Cop Shot 28 Times By White Chicago Officers, Faces Sentencing
Fouth man- Elgin Stafford, Former Congressional Intern, Mysteriously Found Dead In Waterway
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11:23 AM on 04/05/2012
Maybe this tragedy will ultimately have some meaning. I hope it gives people pause to wonder about police investigations, and whether justice has aptly been served. I also hope it makes the citizens of states with stand-my-ground laws--and almost half of our states have them--are egregious. They're almost impossible to prosecute, because, after all, half of the eyewitnesses are dead. If a law smacks of being no more than a hunting license, maybe the whole purpose of the law--including any abuse--needs to be very seriously reviewed.

Your list above has one case where it appears probably that justice was served, and that's the first one. That's not an exemplary track record. I hope the Martin case at least reminds us all that every death or attempted murder is a tragedy, and that every tragedy deserves justice in the form of a complete investigation.

There's one other thing going on with this case that I find appalling. We now have a complete split of right v. left, Republican v. Democrat. WTF? Justice is an AMERICAN concept. It's not a concept that you accept or reject depending on your political persuasion.

We certainly have armchair detectives on both sides. Hell, I'm as good a one as any. But this is about a tragedy--and it's about justice. It is about absolutely nothing else, and to prematurely judge for either side ignores both.
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12:35 PM on 04/06/2012
The right vs left split occurred when President Obama stepped into the controversy. I support the President, but on this issue his statement was simply wrong. The President's statement gave the appearance he had prematurely judged the case, and determined that Zimmerman was guilty, and the police department corrupt.

Having trouble figuring out why people interpret President Obama's statement in that fashion? Consider it this way:

Assume in the OJ case, before trial the President said on national news that he felt sorry for the grieving parents, and if he had a son, his son would look like Ron Goldman. He also says he has sent the Justice Department to Brentwood, to do their own investigation of the murder, and that everyone in America needs to do some soul searching -- a not so subtle message that black on white crime is a big problem, and we should do more about it.

Instead of saying that everyone is innocent unless proven guilty, and expressing confidence the justice system will achieve a fair result, President Obama leaped on the Al Sharpton bandwagon. This is insulting to most Americans. Considering how few political slips Obama makes, and how very shaky the Al Sharpton bandwagon has historically been, election year politics guarantee this slip will be exploited.

Justice for Trayvon Martin looks like injustice for Robert Zimmerman. That's the problem.
08:29 AM on 05/01/2012
here is a case for you... http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/mableton-man-arrested-cobb-marines-murder/nNNX6/
Did this make the news?
08:07 AM on 04/05/2012
In light of the Trayvon Martin shooting, I propose new legislation - the Unerring Assessment of Intent Act, nicknamed the "Soothsayer" law.

Under the Soothsayer law, any person who is physically attacked by someone with the capacity to seriously injure or kill them must provide incontrovertible proof that they knew in advance that their attacker would continue their attack until the person attacked is seriously injured or killed before using deadly force to defend themselves.

Further, if the attacker is a member of any recognized minority group and the person being attacked is caucasian, the person attacked must demonstrate that they fully grasp and have reflected upon the range of social and historical inequities that the attacker and their ancestors have been subjected to - how it has affected them and might have contributed to the attacker's present mindset, and whether it's completely understandable that they'd behave in such a manner in light of all potentially applicable injustices.
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11:13 AM on 04/05/2012
Sounds to me like your new law applies to both Zimmerman and Martin equally, since at this point, all anyone knows about what happened is Zimmerman's accounts (whichever one of them you list best), as Martin is inconveniently unable to speak for himself.

Look, we have a tragedy here. That's the whole point, This is not a right v. left, a GOP v. Democrat, issue.

This is an issue about justice. The article above is a recounting of how this case didn't even merit consideration, which is exactly why the national outrage first ensued.

Is there anyone in this country who actually believes that this case should not be investigated? Again, I remind you. We have a dead teenager here. A tragedy. A teenager who would be alive today had not Zimmerman's horrible judgment told him to pursue Martin.

This is a big deal. It's not political. It's about whether you agree that some courtesies be extended to Martin's family, solely in the form of a thorough investigation. It seems to me this is little enough to ask.
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11:54 AM on 04/05/2012
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12:42 PM on 04/05/2012
on point!...MAINTAIN FOCUS ON THE FACTS!
FACT #1. ZIMMERMAN WAS GIVEN A POLICE DIRECTIVE TO "NOT FOLLOW" AND HE DISOBEYED
FACT #2. ZIMMERMAN WAS ARMED (and dangerous based on HIS HISTORY) AND TRAYVON WAS NOT
FACT #3. TRAYVON WAS THE ULTIMATE VICTIM AND THE PROOF IS THAT HE IS PHYSICALLY DEAD TO THIS WORD AND THE ORIGINAL CALL ZIMMERMAN MADE CONFERRED HIS POSITION AS 'PERPETRATOR' AND AGGRESSOR
Let's just STICK WITH THE FACTS!

M.E.
{Mama Earth}
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l78lancer
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03:57 AM on 04/05/2012
Anyone who has had their head seriously whacked against the ground - fearing for their life - might not be stable enough to walk into the police station a half hour after the shooting unaided, or lucid enough to think to wipe their feet coming in the door. And if Trayvon was on top when he shot him, why wasn't Zimmerman cover with his blood since gravity makes liquids drip and run?
10:41 AM on 04/06/2012
I have wondered that myself & the only explaination I can come up with is because the hoodie TM was wearing that night preventing "spraying" of GZ. RIP Trayvon
06:34 AM on 04/20/2012
Q1: This law doesn't require one to have "serious injury" in order to defend yourself but the potential of it along with death. Therefore to speculate the seriousness of his injury which he indeed had as recorded in the police report doesn't nothing but push speculation. I've fallen out of a tree once and hit my head on concrete and got a lump and was in pain (throbbing), but it didnt keep from walking once I got up. Your comment is nothing more than conjecture.
Q2: You obviously have never seen anyone shot and/or watched too much TV. A bullet enters the front and the bigger hole when it leaves the back. There is no force frontward, so there is no spray of blood in that direction...I can't imagine after being shot Trayvon stayed on top of him very long at all; he didn't die right away. Zimmerman says he said "you got me" which demonstrates that as well. I know in the movies you see sudden death, but that is NOT usual at all (as a Marine, I assure you I know this). If any blood did get on Zimmerman though, who is to say we've seen it? He's wearing read and the video you saw is grainy and doesn't show the front, and then red on red. One wouldn't expect to see it and there's no expectatons of a lot of it, just speculation from lack of knowledge of the subject.
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03:52 AM on 04/05/2012
Zimmerman was on the phone with police when he got out of the car. Why would he have hung up to confront Trayvon then claim that he was reaching for is phone? That makes no sense.
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09:50 AM on 04/05/2012
How do you know he hung up?

However, you raise an interesting point. My own son was recently beat up. His girlfriend and her friend stood there screaming. I told them I understood that they were terrified.

But I also said they should have had presence of mind to use cell phones to call 911 and leave the phone on, and since there were two of them, take pictures or record video,

Seems to me that enough kids have cell phones that this should be part of training kids from elementary school on. In elementary school my kid had safety lessons. If somebody's following you in a car, you RUN AWAY. If they get out of the car to pursue you, YOU RUN AWAY FASTER. Of course, you're also supposed to scream your head off too, another one of those things that your extreme fright may prevent.

It sounds like Martin was doing everything right. He died nowhere near Zimmerman's truck, meaning he was pursued on foot, and within I believe 70 yards of his dad's fiance's house. And, of course he was alone, so nobody else could have recorded what was happening or call 911 for him.

I hope the investigation yields enough evidence so this can go to trial. We know two things: Martin would be alive today were it not for Zimmerman's horrible judgment. And had Martin been thoroughly indoctrinated in protecting himself, he should have used his cell phone.
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libby chic geek
03:31 PM on 04/05/2012
When I first moved to Atlanta I worked nights at the IRS. At about 3:20 am one morning as I am driving home, I noticed a car edge up to me in the lane to my left. I thought it was odd, but dismissed it. I continued driving and we got caught up at a light. I could feel him staring at me but I didn't look. The light goes green and I no longer see him so I think no biggie. But then I see him tailing me. I'm thinking, "Nah, I'm being silly". I continue to drive and realize he switched lanes when I did. STILL, I dismissed it. I came to a part of the highway where that splits to 2 different exits. I veered one way and at the last moment veered to the other exit, and noticed that he did the same thing! That's when I finally got scared but even so, at the exit was a red light and I stopped. The guy rear ended me and then drove around motioning for me to come out. I sped off like a bat out of hell. He still followed me until I started running red lights and honking my horn to call attention to myself. I could have been killed had the guy been more sinister and aggressive. Trayvon wasn't so lucky.

It's easy to say what should or could be done but no one knows how to face terror until they face terror.
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Bring on that War on Women, GOP! I'm game.
01:17 PM on 04/05/2012
Oh, BTW I do realize I initially read your comment totally backwards. Sorry. Yes, it didn't make any sense. You know what else is ridiculous? People get shot all the time by police officers when they reach in their pockets to pull out whatever. It would certainly seem to me that a stand-my-ground law would have been in effect right then, if not earlier of course, for MARTIN. I mean, that's pretty threatening, no? We could ask everybody shot for that reason about it, except of course most of them are dead.
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l78lancer
Wisdom is the principal thing
02:36 AM on 04/06/2012
Cool. No problem. I'm glad you caught the meaning of my comment.
02:50 AM on 04/05/2012
Do people say "you got me" when they get shot for real?
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hypyrwyf
ignorance begets fear begets violence
01:30 PM on 04/05/2012
Only in kids' games of cops and robbers.
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chrysostomos
Zizek built my hotrod,
02:00 PM on 04/05/2012
Sounds like Zimmerman's been watching one too many Westerns.
10:22 PM on 04/04/2012
'Before the world heard Trayvons cries, they heard the cries of so many others. Now the straw has broke the camels back.
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l78lancer
Wisdom is the principal thing
03:47 AM on 04/05/2012
True. Fanned.