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UFO Encounters With Airplanes: Pilots, Officials Discuss Potential Safety Hazards

Posted: 04/13/2012 11:55 am Updated: 04/17/2012 1:18 pm

Ufo South Korea
An unidentified object was videotaped from a passenger plane over Seoul, South Korea, on Saturday.

There's been a buzz in the air this week -- literally -- about a video allegedly showing a UFO flying near a passenger plane over Seoul, South Korea.

The video, which has been viewed several million times, has brought out a myriad of theories to explain the strange-looking oval white object viewed on Saturday. When a passenger on the airline tried to zoom in on the object with a video camera as it moved upward from the ground, pacing near the plane, it suddenly flew away.

Was this an alien visitation, a computer-generated image, a water droplet on the plane window or a white plastic bag moving in the wind?

As skeptics and true UFO believers battle it out over the origin of this latest unexplained object, they are engaging in an unresolved decades-old debate: Can unexplained UFOs become a safety issue for the commercial airline industry?

Watch the video of the alleged UFO over South Korea.

"It's beyond dispute that airline personnel see them and see them a lot," said professional pilot David McDonald, who runs a school for pilots and aircraft dispatchers and owns charter company Flamingo Air in Cincinnati. "However, to the best of all of our knowledge, there has never been an incident where an airplane ran into one or was attacked by one."

"[Pilots] have done evasive maneuvers to get out of the way, but that's what we're trained to do," McDonald, the new international director of the Mutual UFO Network, told The Huffington Post. "Whether [the UFO] would have veered off, it's really hard to say if they are a hazard to flight or not."

At least one scientist -- and former UFO skeptic -- strongly suggested that mid-air UFO encounters could be hazardous.

"I was trying to be a conscientious scientist and let the chips fall where they may and I immediately found a great deal of bias and fear by people who shouldn't be afraid," said former NASA research scientist Richard Haines, referring to UFOs. "Science should not be afraid."

After commercial pilots began sharing their UFO experiences with him, Haines created the National Aviation Reporting Center on Anomalous Phenomena. His organization offers a confidential reporting venue for pilots, crews and air traffic controllers hesitant to make UFO reports. Haines does not publish records that publicly reveal the names of pilots reporting incidents.

"Our objectives are to make flying safer for the flying public and we're convinced there's a potential threat posed by nearby unexplained aerial phenomena to commercial and private airplanes," Haines recently told HuffPost.

In a number of cases, the UFO or the unexplained aerial phenomena gets close enough to an aircraft and results in some sort of electromagnetic effect on certain cockpit instruments, Haines added.

"Roughly 5 to 9 percent of the total sightings have some form of electromagnetic influence in the cockpit, so our interest is trying to alert the aviation industry ahead of time to do something positive, rational, before it's too late, before an airplane goes down," Haines said.

When asked about Federal Aviation Administration policies to deal with UFOs, an FAA official told HuffPost, "Our standard response is that the FAA does not track UFO activity."

"As far as any procedures for reporting, that's probably on an airline-by-airline basis if, in fact, they do have any procedures at all for that," the official added.

Watch a video of former FAA official John Callahan discussing how the FAA and government handled a UFO incident in 1986.

One former FAA official, John Callahan, has been very outspoken about how his agency has handled UFO information in the past. Callahan, a former head of the FAA's Accidents, Evaluations and Investigations Division in the 1980s, believes that Earth is being visited by extraterrestrials.

"Oh, I think we really are," he told HuffPost. "And the government doesn't tell you the truth all the time. Part of the stuff I was doing in my last 10 years with the government was lying to the public. I gave out disinformation -- an approved tactic in the government -- because the people can't handle the truth."

Callahan's bold statement stems from a highly publicized 1986 case involving a Japan Airlines 747 crew who reported two UFOs that were pacing by their aircraft over Alaska; this was followed by the appearance of a third, huge circular craft.

"When the controller checked with military people, they said they did have a target [on radar] -- not just one target, but a double primary target," Callahan said.

Following the 30-minute airline close encounter, Callahan said, he was ordered to attend a meeting with members of the CIA, FBI and President Ronald Reagan's scientific staff. He claimed he also had to hand over all information, including radar reports, about the Alaska case to them.

"After I showed them the materials three times, one of the them stepped forward and said, 'This event never happened. We were never here. We're confiscating all this data, and you're all sworn to secrecy,'" Callahan recalled.

Callahan said he asked a CIA agent if it would be okay to contact the media about the UFO incident and he was told, "You can't do that. It would frighten the American public -- they can't know about this."

Watch a recreation of a military encounter with a UFO.


Another airborne encounter took place in 1964 over the South China Sea when Navy pilot Frederick M. Fox was behind the controls of a tanker aircraft. "All of a sudden, this dark, unlit shape showed up 20 to 30 feet off my left wing," Fox told HuffPost. "I called to ask if there was anything else showing up on radar besides me, and when they said, 'No, why do you ask?' I immediately said, 'Disregard.'"

"As I looked at this thing, it was a classic domed, saucer-shaped object about 30 feet in diameter, with no discernible lights, windows or markings. I was able to see it because of my collision lights shining off it," Fox recalled.

For 20 minutes, while Fox performed several maneuvers and turns, the UFO stayed with him until it simply vanished, he said, adding that he decided to not report the incident because of an existing military regulation.

"There was a page that said unlawful disclosure of any UFO information is a $10,000 fine and 10 years in jail," Fox said. "If I had mentioned anything to anybody, they would've grabbed me and sent me for a Section 8," he added, referring to a military discharge when someone is deemed mentally unfit. "So I just kept my mouth shut."

Fox spent more than 30 years with American Airlines, where, he said, he experienced other UFO sightings. He logged more than 20,000 hours in his flying career.

Mutual UFO Network's McDonald agreed there's a historical taboo among pilots not to discuss their UFO encounters.

"Up until just a short time ago, if you reported one of these, it was a guaranteed medical disqualification," he said. "The airlines don't want pilots [who say] they saw a flying saucer."

"It's been pretty well established that when they go and shoot their mouth off about this stuff, chances are they lose their jobs, and that's been documented," McDonald said.

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There's been a buzz in the air this week -- literally -- about a video allegedly showing a UFO flying near a passenger plane over Seoul, South Korea. The video, which has been viewed several millio...
There's been a buzz in the air this week -- literally -- about a video allegedly showing a UFO flying near a passenger plane over Seoul, South Korea. The video, which has been viewed several millio...
 
 
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1deepstar
02:15 AM on 07/20/2012
Interesting comments all but NARCAP refers to "UFO" phenomena under a broader heading of "UAP" or "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena" and has never promoted the idea that UAP are alien spaceships. The term is plural and implies that there could be more than one source of UAP reports including poorly documented natural phenomena..... bottom line is that, if you read the NARCAP reports, the hazard to aviation arises in several ways: near midair collisions - perceived by pilots as such and near enough to cause fear for safety regardless of what anyone thnks a UAP can do. Further concerns include transient and permanent electronics systems failures that seem to occur with some kinds of UAP encounters. Also, they seem to be intermittently detected on radar meaning that if they were ever involved in a catastrophe we would not necessarily know.... bottom line is that pilots told us for decades that they were seeing lightening leaving the tops of clouds and were told it was nonsense. Now we know about sprites... so if they were right about that maybe we could at least take a close look and be sure before dismissing them outright. We might learn something if we aren't careful...
10:24 PM on 04/28/2012
WE all should know that their are experimental weopons and aircraft being tested by Governments all over the world, and of course the natural phenoma the atmosphere produces. I can believe anything, yet I find it hard to believe that with all the technology we have, the proof of another life form outside of our known origins has not been seen to debunk all of our question about alien life.
09:06 AM on 04/18/2012
Let's get something straight:

There are not, have never been, and will never be intelligent (or un-intelligent) life visiting our planet from elsewhere in our solar system, or the universe. There CAN be unidentified flying objects, of course, but the need to assign extra-terrestrial origins to them is asinine. Life on planet Earth is challenging, delicate, fragile, short-lived and enigmatic enough without needing to make up stories and passing them off as reality. Leave that to the religious.
12:39 PM on 04/18/2012
Yes, because you know everything that has happened everywhere for all times. In ancient times, you would no doubt be one of the people shouting down Gallileo. What an absolutely ridiculous comment.
12:58 PM on 04/18/2012
Those are just my opinions, Saul. I don't think I know everything. I just lump people who think they've seen UFOs in with people who think Jesus is coming back during THEIR lifetime.
Oh...and ghosts. People who 'believe' in ghosts. They're in that group too.
06:12 PM on 04/18/2012
This is an absurdly uneducated comment.

UFOs != aliens != Jesus. Get back to your armchair.
07:27 PM on 04/17/2012
What? Do you think aliens don't have radar? I'm pretty sure that aliens don't want to be hit by airplanes anymore than airplanes want to be hit by aliens.
07:23 PM on 04/17/2012
BTW can anyone translate the passenger? (Seriously)
07:22 PM on 04/17/2012
That was Crazy, but to short to determine whether it was man-made or just unknown... What are some serious theories on this???
05:15 PM on 04/17/2012
Sphere UFOs released magnetic force black out my digital camera:

http://ufo-spacelife.blogspot.com/2011/04/sphere-ufos-released-small-orbs.html
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psandysdad
The older you get, the more excuses you have.
04:04 PM on 04/17/2012
Aliens are really stupid and have no idea why we hurl tube shaped machines full of people into the sky. That's why they insist on threatening airliners by buzzing them or getting in their flight path. They're trying to figure out what they mean.

Yes, if I was an alien, it would never occur to me to observe Earthly activities and monitor communications safely from orbit. No, it's far more fun to violate somebody's airspace and risk getting shot down by these terrestrial barbarians.

Then we do some crop graffiti, raid your cattle, and abduct imbeciles. It's all so entertaining, and we need stories for the long journey home.
07:38 AM on 04/20/2012
Your problem here, is that you're looking at this phenomena from "our" point of view..what would a group of highly advanced visitors be doing poking around our planet? The answers are endless, and quite possibly beyond our comprehension. One theory from "our" understanding would be that they have never been really far away- have always kept track of our planet as we would a nature preserve. When someone says that it's impossible for them to travel 20,000 light years..blah, blah- again, that is coming from our understanding of physics- which may be elementary compared to the maneuvers these craft have demonstrated time after time.
MRoM
My micro bio's not empty it's just a good Buddhist
12:33 AM on 05/22/2012
Ah yes, because humans certainly aren't that stupid either! Whenever we observe another species, we don't invade their habitat, abduct them in strange vehicles, take them to labs and perform tests, and then drop them back off in that habitat.

Oh wait, that's right, that's called SCIENCE, and that's EXACTLY what is done. Would it never occur to you that there is an unlimited number of reasons as to why a species would want closer study of another species? Do you seriously think that an advanced civilization's research and work would stop at mere observation? If an advanced civilization WASN'T abducting a small sample of people for their own purposes (or perhaps even ours, as we do for other species), THEN one could say that the idea doesn't make sense.

As it is, I'll trust the testimony of former DOD personnel that I know, pilots, astronauts, military personnel, my own eyes and the eyes of others with me, and plain common sense unhindered by bad assumptions, uneducated guesses and false logic that many people seem to cloak themselves with in order to preserve their illusory view of the world around them.

You can choose to believe what you want to believe, but for some people this isn't a matter of belief, but of fact and investigation. It's called science.
03:05 PM on 04/17/2012
Why is it with all the digital technology commonly available, for instance my dinky little cell phone takes killer, clear as a bell pictures, ufo's are always blurry? I had an astronomy professor in college that posited that intelligent life on other planets might exist, but that distances are so great that, wormhole fantasies aside, they could never get here, and vice versa. That's made sense to me ever since and determined that we need to content ourselves with Mother Earth - and take better care of her.
07:28 PM on 04/17/2012
I can see what your saying, but I am going to have to agree to disagree with the last part of your statement. Your Professor had a good point, if we could possible comprhend what they would be like, and as for "Worm-Hole" fantasies, my opinion on that is this, I truley think that we are at-least 30+ years ahead with technology then what the common man knows, so you don't think if top scientist are playing with that theory there isn't a more viable reason for it!?!
06:10 PM on 04/18/2012
I'll just leave this here.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1C8A669F6B2EA894
MRoM
My micro bio's not empty it's just a good Buddhist
12:35 AM on 05/22/2012
Aw, that woulda been a great link!
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kdyumaaz
Semper Fi
04:17 PM on 04/16/2012
Proof that ET is not here.. He has No Facebook Page
Proof that ET is Here.. Have you read some of the Liberal Post on Huff Post..Out of this world..lol

You make the Decision
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Dogma
A sense of humor is no laughing matter.
03:56 AM on 04/17/2012
Proof he's wasting his time here– see kdyumaaz's above post.
02:12 PM on 04/16/2012
Should we be worried about potential crashes with Santa's sleigh too? I guess I won't fly on Christmas Eve anymore.
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Vanderbil Covington
It is better to be wise than just knowledgeable
07:43 AM on 04/16/2012
With ET levels of advanced technology, collisions with aircraft are extremely remote. Human science fiction concepts of ETs are so removed from actual reality, even if most people came face to "face" with them, they wouldn't recogize them for what they really were
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butchbuss00
06:58 AM on 04/16/2012
SO TELL ME HOW MANY HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ???
I DOUBT THEY WILL BE CRASHING OUR PLANES , SOME PEOPLE HAVE MUCH TO MCH TIME IN THEIR HANDS
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rgray222
01:04 PM on 04/16/2012
I have seen one and it was not a far off light in the sky. You can read about it here
http://www.educatinghumanity.com/p/my-ufo-experience.html
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freedom1947
San Juan River Fishin'
11:46 AM on 04/17/2012
Eating the right mushrooms will allow you to see throught the eyes of ET.
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CHARLIE X
Yield to the logic of the situation.
03:20 AM on 04/16/2012
THEY'RE HERE!
02:30 AM on 04/16/2012
I love comedies like Independence Day.

We defeat far superior beings by uploading a virus into their computer system ????

The aliens can travel the galaxies, but they have never heard of Norton Anti Virus ?????

Hilarious !!!!!!!!!!!!
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OregonDoug
Kilgore Trout Lives.
03:52 PM on 04/16/2012
Silly, certainly, but who knows? You may be assuming that all civilizations have evolved like us and have similar social networks.

Nor should we assume that the more technologically advanced a civilation becomes the less fallible they are.
04:58 PM on 04/16/2012
Yes. They certainly would not fall for a 1970's ruse.

I was illustrating how lazy the screenwriters were. No imagination what so ever.

It also shows how stupid most people are for not questioning such a lame outcome.

H.G. Wells is crying in his grave. His point was that our technology had ZERO chance of winning against superior technology. His point was Earth got lucky. Nature NOT technology or any effort by mankind saved Earth.

He was warning us against reliance upon technology to answer our questions about who we are or solving problems of the future..

Plus, I was attempting something called humor. ar. ar.

Someone who's Micro-Bio is a character of the greatest writer of the 20th century should be able to recognize my post for what it was. Vonnegut and his alter ego Kilgore Trout were geniuses, and would agree that movies like Independence Day, Armageddon, et. all were written by hacks.

What I find more objectionable are those who praise the work of hacks.

There was a great article on HuffPost last week on Vonnegut's 8 rules for writing.

The one I liked best was, "Start as close to the ending as possible". You should check out the article if it is still on the website.

P.S. Do not mistake my reply as my flaming you. I would never flame a Vonnegut fan.
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mikeyaz17
a conservative's worst nightmare
10:26 AM on 04/17/2012
hey come on now... we defeated the aliens with an apple laptop

totally believable.. don't be a hater

and i love my mac

;)
05:01 PM on 04/17/2012
Well, if the aliens were using PC's you have a point.