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Treasury Tries To Bail Out Public Image Of Bailout

Posted: 04/13/2012 4:05 pm Updated: 04/13/2012 4:16 pm

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Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner

WASHINGTON -- The Treasury Department is worried that the high political cost of some of its key economic intervention programs -- most notably, the bank bailout -- will deter future officials from undertaking meaningful action in the midst of a future crisis, senior officials said at a background briefing Friday. To win back the public, agency officials are doing what any good economist would do: hoping some persuasive charts will do the trick.

This week, Treasury released its latest cost estimates for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), which has been perhaps the most controversial economic policy of both the Bush and Obama administrations. First signed into law by President George W. Bush in 2008, it was designed to save the financial industry, but it ended up spawning the Tea Party movement, whose followers saw in it all the problems of a too-big government.

The public in general, and the Tea Party in particular, quickly conflated the $700 billion Wall Street bailout with the $787 billion stimulus, damning the latter politically. (A senior official Friday stressed that only $400 billion was actually expended in the bailout, and most of that was returned to the Treasury.)

The effort to defend TARP comes three years after CNBC personality Rick Santelli delivered his famous anti-bailout rant on the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, which would spark the Tea Party movement. Notably, Santelli was objecting not to the Wall Street bailout, but rather to some homeowners receiving mortgage relief while others didn't.

When asked by reporters at the Treasury briefing why the agency was undertaking this defense of TARP now, a senior official acknowledged that there is no good time to do so. Other officials denied that the timing had anything to do with the politics of the presidential campaign.

Still, they said it was important to get accurate information about the success of TARP out to the public before misperceptions harden even further. One senior Treasury official called TARP one of the most effective, yet least understood, actions the administration took to pull the country out of the financial crisis, stressing that officials want their successors to make decisions based on facts, not on political myths.

The new Treasury charts are intended to underscore the severity of the economic dip, the fact that the recovery has been happening faster than many people realize, the lower-than-expected costs of the financial stability programs, and the long way the country has to go as it still lives in the shadow of the recession.

However accurate in their specifics, the charts are still unlikely to change the minds of critics on either end of the spectrum. Free market ideologues will point to the moral hazards created by a bailout and argue that a bailout that turned a profit would only encourage governments to step in during a crisis, which would therefore make crises more likely. Progressive critics, meanwhile, can still point to the festering foreclosure crisis, rising poverty and unemployment at 8.3 percent.

Whatever Treasury's own accounting shows, since the beginning of the financial crisis the poor have gotten poorer, the middle class has shrunk, and the rich have gotten richer. Somehow, money transferred up, whether it was the specific dollars Treasury and the Federal Reserve doled out or not.

View the Treasury Department charts on TARP (right-click on the document to view larger version):

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WASHINGTON -- The Treasury Department is worried that the high political cost of some of its key economic intervention programs -- most notably, the bank bailout -- will deter future officials from un...
WASHINGTON -- The Treasury Department is worried that the high political cost of some of its key economic intervention programs -- most notably, the bank bailout -- will deter future officials from un...
 
 
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
03:39 PM on 04/16/2012
The TARP taxpayer bailouts appear to reward the financial institutions and managers that caused the trouble in the first place.

Many of these same financial managers had pushed for congressional repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act (GSA) and promotion of other lax regulation policies that allowed this crisis to happen.

Glass-Steagall was more than simply legislative backlash from the Great Depression.

For almost 70 years, it made law of the simple idea that if we're going to insure bank deposits, then we need to segregate them completely.

Otherwise give government bank deposit guarantee to the entire banking business.

President Clinton repealed the Glass-Steagal Act with the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999.

President Clinton also destroyed the US domestic industrial policy with NAFTA, GATT, WTO, MFN trade with China, H-1b visas, etc., that ecomonically required that US businesses relocate their jobs to foreign nations.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
11:48 AM on 04/16/2012
The TARP Funds that the Government borrowed from industrial wealth producing nations and then handed out to the "Wall Street Financial Geniuses" should have been spent re-industrializing the USA.

The TARP money just rewarded those Master Financial Criminals that created those "freshly printed toxic paper assets" and also allowed those that created the financial crisis to keep their jobs.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
02:41 PM on 04/16/2012
I believe that GM and Chrysler should have gone bankrupt before their US dollars from the US taxpayers bought ownership in their company.

I guess that GM will not give back any of the US dollars that the US Government took from me and then spent to purchase GM.

Is there anything of value going to be left after the auto industry executives and the auto union members bleed GM to death?

The banks probably had mortgage lien on the title to most of their remaining factories and other assets anyway.

Since they have been allowed to continue to go to the public feed trough again and again, they will never stand on their own two feet.

It is very offensive for the President of GM to brag on TV that he has paid back the loans from the taxpayers on time and with interest.

The US Taxpayer is still saddled with the responsibility for paying for the union financial obligations of GM such as healthcare, retirement benefits, etc.

The US also now liable to pay for General Motors union retirement obligations since the US government now owns most of the company.

I guess that the US government can just borrow more money back from the foreign industrial nations and hand this money out to pay for the UAW retirement costs.

Should the taxpayers via congress continue the auto Industry's bad behavior with taxpayer funds and outright theft of company dollars?
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
02:47 PM on 04/16/2012
How can we get rid of these financial geniuses and the UAW feather beds that caused these problems without costing the taxpayer some of his/her hard earned tax US dollars?

General Motors does not need any more Financial Genius Type Master Criminals to manage their affairs.

Are there any more Lee Iacocca type people in that industry that could revive these sick Auto Manufacturing companies from their impending deaths?

Is Lee Iacocca still alive?

CAN LEE IACOCCA BE DRAFTED INTO THE U S ARMY, AND THEN BE ASSIGNED TO HEAD GM BY THE US GOVERNMENT, IF HE IS STILL ALIVE?

Lee Iacocca was a mechanical engineer that knew how to design, market, and manufacture automobiles.

He supposedly fought the Ford financial MBA educated managers tooth and nail to let him build the financially successful Ford Mustang.

Later in his career he was credited with saving Chrysler from their MBA financial geniuses.

I tend to believe that GM is probably managed by MBA financial geniuses that are experts at draining company assets into their own pockets, but know very little about making automobiles.

I guess that the US Government will not get the previous taxpayer billions of US dollars out of the GM assets before all other creditors get theirs.

The US taxpayer should have had priority over union retirement contracts, union benefits, union medical plans, bank mortgages, bond holders, preferred stock, medical benefits, etc. and other claims.
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carolgregor
09:19 PM on 04/15/2012
The exact same people in government and banking are still in charge. Geitner and the banks are the problem. Obama has totally let the previous corruption of the Bush administration continue. All sold out and the middle class is broke regardless of what they say, they lie anyway.
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stingjim
Conservative
01:06 PM on 04/15/2012
We're living in utter destruction, brought by Obama. Obama has no economic recovery. His stimulus proved that.

January 2012, the White House was going bonkers over the 243,000 new jobs added that month. It was all smoke and mirrors. The true (unadjusted) number was 2.7 million jobs lost, not 243,000 added!

Obama's recovery doesn't hold water.

There were 39.8 million on Obama’s inauguration day (Jan. 20, 2009) unemployed and today 46.2 million. The difference: Gain 6.4 million people unemployed.
What was the unemployment rate when Bush left office and Obama was inaugurated? 7.8%. In a year and a half, from June 2007 until January 2009, the unemployment rate went from 4.4% to the 7.8% discussed above.

Are you better off today?

Gasoline was $1.87 when Obama took Over. Obama cause gasoline prices to rise by not Drilling. Drilling makes us independent . Drilling increases unemployment. We have more recoverable oil than the rest of the world to fuel every passenger car in the nation for 430 years.

Obama Infrastructure was ONLY FOR THE UNIONS.

4. Read usdebtclock.org. National Debt $15.6 Trillion dolars,
Tax Revenue $2.26 Trillion -
Our spending is $3.58 Trillion.
We owe SEVEN Times more that we take in.

We have 313 Million People, 113 million tax payers.

Debt per Citizen is $182,774 Dollars. Debt per Family is $690,971.

46.8 Million people on food stamps
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greeneyes51654m
Retired, finally...
02:43 PM on 04/15/2012
Well said and fanned.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
12:53 PM on 04/16/2012
I really like your statements,
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Mr e MaN
Political Atheist
11:20 AM on 04/15/2012
They have not fixed the problem but the solution that worked is there. Glass Stegal
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
12:54 PM on 04/16/2012
"Glass Stegal" was there!
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tosc
11:12 AM on 04/15/2012
LOL...so the blatently tell us they are going to be using propoganda in an attempt to improve their image and the financial blunder they made? LOLOL Is it just me or are millions of americans not even caring what washington wingnuts do?
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unfoxworthy
We:ScottOlsens,the misfits,out to change the world
10:50 AM on 04/15/2012
"...since the beginning of the financial crisis the poor have gotten poorer, the middle class has shrunk, and the rich have gotten richer. Somehow, money transferred up, whether it was the specific dollars Treasury and the Federal Reserve doled out or not."
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nothing says success better then money landing in the hands of "job creators".
Oh - and all the newly crated jobs are there - we just can't see them. We have CHARTS though!
11:33 AM on 04/15/2012
Putting nearly free money in the hands of those who play the carry trade is not the same as putting money in the hands of job creators. Spin, spin.
Appreciate Sheila Bair's piece on how ordinary "folks" (what Obama calls us) could benefit from millions in virtually no-interest loans.
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greysells2
grey cells matter
12:33 PM on 04/15/2012
Could also be tax laws and enforcement policies.
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BeerLover
Carpe Diem!
09:49 AM on 04/15/2012
Hmmm.......yep, still wanna punch him in the face.
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KarmaPatrol
Riverboat Gambler, satellite whisperer. Independe
09:11 AM on 04/15/2012
It was presented as saving western civilization back then, but the banks just soaked it all in to save their CEO pay and/or perks. In hindsight, maybe giving everyone a $50,000 home credit (to help with a mortgage or put towards a first home) through the tax system, putting the banks last, would've been better, realizing it could turn inflationary. What other choices are left if we want Norman Rockwell' America or little punk houses for me and you (to paraphrase John Cougar) though?
11:19 AM on 04/15/2012
Obama supposedly said that trickle down economics doesn't work. But isn't that what he has practiced in dealing with the Great Recession, continuing the bail out/ bonusing of banking and Wall Street top dogs? The effectiveness of help to "folks" (as he calls us) through HAMP has been a dismal failure with bank servicers rewarded for participating but dual tracking as a race to see if modification or foreclosure emerges first. Ever notice how nobody talks about Obama's family connected with Geithner's family - in banking?
08:54 AM on 04/15/2012
At the time TARP was passed Senator Dodd was clear that we had better reform the system because wee would never get a TARP II passed. He also wanted the banks and financial system to build a pool to bail themselves out if every needed. How is that going?
RealistBC
Micro-bios must pass muster.
06:15 AM on 04/15/2012
Here we go again! Setting up the justification for another round of deficit spending without any corrections to the regulations. Once I can understand considering how bad things were and how little time there was to act. But it's been four years since the Wall Streeters blew up the economy, and they still get to act with impunity. Spitzer was right about Obama. He really is only for the 1%, just like his "opponent" for President. Neither candidate represents the 99%.
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BeerLover
Carpe Diem!
09:44 AM on 04/15/2012
Sad but true....and indeed realistic.
11:52 AM on 04/15/2012
Interesting little point emerged in a recent foreclosure case in Hawaii. The mortgage was not assigned to the trust timely, took two years according to paperwork. Trusts under New York and Deleware law have a short time window, no more than about 60 days, to put mortgages in or mortgage assignment is void. The interesting factoid was that the mortgage remained kicking around in the MERS private system where it could be used as security for overnight bank borrowing. In other words, mortgage was double pledged - if info in the case was correct. This may be the MERS enabled practice - double pledging assets. But it works to rip up the economy if nobody is looking. Obama administration has not wanted to investigate frauds, calls them unethical but not illegal. But we wouldn't be where we are without multiple layers of fraud, at least some of which continues.
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dzadzey
Afflicting the comfortable
05:45 AM on 04/15/2012
"Could'? Absent any meaningful reform of financial market regulation...you know,like re-instituting Glass-Steagall...try "Will".
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dennidus1680
08:31 AM on 04/15/2012
Exactly. You think these guys don't realize that the solution to a problem caused by deregulation could simply by solved by re regulating what was deregulated? That's not what they are rewarded for doing. Campaign contributions outweigh what they are elected to do.
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Mr e MaN
Political Atheist
11:24 AM on 04/15/2012
You guys seem to have something against the dark market of finnacial innovation(the vortex of greed) that brought the country to it's knees. And against socialism for the weathy. How unAmerican is that?
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Nathan Brittles
Duc,sequere,aut de via decede
02:31 AM on 04/15/2012
Terkels guilt lay in not convincingly addressing the deficits and debts that have been amply incurred post-TARP. Indeed, the Fed is leery about doing anything that adds more cheap money which would neccesarily commence [ actually enhance] inflation, a slap to the face of Krugman and his liberal-left adherents. Reasons vary, but these include an ACA/Obamacare that did not exist when TARP was considered, nor did it include debt ceiling raises, deficit spending, and other social program device outlay from unemployment extentions to ''cash for clunkers'' that were no portion of the TARP imbroglio, yet only added to the nations weighty deficit.
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01:51 AM on 04/15/2012
Be patient, another financial crisis will happen...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-30/mobius-says-fresh-financial-crisis-around-corner-amid-volatile-derivatives.html
Mobius Says Another Financial Crisis `Around The Corner'- Bloomberg

"Mark Mobius, executive chairman of Templeton Asset Management’s emerging markets group, said another financial crisis is inevitable because the causes of the previous one haven’t been resolved.

“There is definitely going to be another financial crisis around the corner because we haven’t solved any of the things that caused the previous crisis,” Mobius said at the Foreign Correspondents’ Club of Japan in Tokyo today in response to a question about price swings. “Are the derivatives regulated? No. Are you still getting growth in derivatives? Yes.”

The global financial crisis three years ago was caused in part by the proliferation of derivative products tied to U.S. home loans that ceased performing, triggering hundreds of billions of dollars in writedowns and leading to the collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. in September 2008..."
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BeerLover
Carpe Diem!
09:46 AM on 04/15/2012
Oh I have NO DOUBT. And now that the crooks on Wall Street and in Washington learned how EASY it is to syphon out the dollar out of tax payers' pockets, they are no doubt planning another cash windfall......because there were no slaps on the wrist to prevent those kids from stealing that candy again.
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12:10 PM on 04/15/2012
Then people like Jamie Dimon wonder why people hate them.
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AZreb
equal-opportunity Independent heathen
09:52 AM on 04/15/2012
First steps have already been taken by the banks - eniticing those with "risky" credit histories to apply for and receive credit cards. Then when those creditors cannot pay their bills, the banks will be crying for another bail-out and will more than likely get it.
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12:10 PM on 04/15/2012
Amen
Nightangle
NPA - no party affiliation
01:07 AM on 04/15/2012
IT IS COMING. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. GET READY FOR THE TSUNAMI !