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Utah Senate Race: Nominating System Poses Challenges For Orrin Hatch Re-Election

Orrin Hatch Utah Senate Race

By JOSH LOFTIN   04/17/12 03:08 AM ET  AP

KAYSVILLE, Utah -- Every handshake counts in Utah's unique nominating system, even for a senator seeking his seventh term.

At Granny Annie's Cafe, just outside Salt Lake City, Sen. Orrin Hatch treated about 70 people to scones and juice – and nearly two hours of his time – one morning last week. Nearly all were delegates set to vote for a nominee at Saturday's state GOP convention.

To avoid a primary, Hatch needs at least 60 percent of the 4,000 delegates expected to vote. In spite of Hatch having spent more than $5 million since the beginning of 2011 to defend his seat, the fate of one of the most powerful senators in the country is coming down to just a few hundred votes.

"The process in Utah is either an unmitigated disaster or the best way to have a true democracy," says Tom Chapman, 63, a delegate from South Jordan who hasn't yet chosen a candidate.

"This gives people an opportunity to do something that you can't do with sound bites and ads," Chapman says. "Everybody has a chance to ask the question important to them and (the candidate) can't dodge them."

Hatch and his two key challengers, former state Sen. Dan Liljenquist and state Rep. Chris Herrod, have been appearing every day, several times a day, at restaurants, in backyards and at school libraries with mere handfuls of people, trying to secure votes one delegate at a time.

Hatch's opponents have spent far less money on the race. Liljenquist has only spent about $225,000 while Herrod has spent just $20,000. By most accounts, Hatch supporters came out in force for caucus meetings last month and overwhelmed the tea party crowd angling for a change, putting him close to that 60 percent threshold.

The candidates generally agree on some of the biggest issues, especially the importance of lowering the national debt and overhauling entitlement programs such as Medicaid and Social Security.

Hatch is urging delegates to back him so he can focus on helping likely presidential nominee Mitt Romney defeat President Barack Obama and on raising money for other Republicans running for the Senate. He emphasizes his congressional seniority, especially his position as top Republican on the powerful Senate Finance Committee. He also has promised to do everything possible to protect Hill Air Force Base in northern Utah and to open more public lands in the state for oil and natural gas wells.

"We can solve the problems, but we need a different Congress. We need more Republicans," Hatch told delegates at Granny Annie's Cafe. "You're here early in the morning and asking questions, which is important. But your real job happens during convention."

Hatch's opponents argue that his support of a lower debt rings hollow because he has served during the time when the debt spiraled ever higher. Even a balanced budget amendment Hatch has sponsored fails to impress his critics because it's never passed the Senate.

Liljenquist, who is generally considered the strongest challenger, is focused on the need for new leadership and has continually assured people that having two freshmen senators from Utah – Mike Lee, also a Republican, is the other senator – will not hurt the state. While it is doubtful that he could win the nomination at the convention, Liljenquist understands that if he can swing just a few hundred delegates away from Hatch there will almost assuredly be a primary.

A focus on the threat of entitlement programs to future generations has drawn people, especially tea party voters, to Liljenquist. He also criticizes Hatch for using scare tactics about the dangers of losing a powerful voice in Washington.

"Politicians already walk a fine line between confidence and narcissism," Liljenquist said during a recent gathering with about two dozen delegates at an International House of Pancakes. "They cross that line when they start claiming they're too big to fail."

Utah's caucus system has come under fire since 2010, when three-term Sen. Bob Bennett was defeated at the convention by a tea party surge. Even people who supported the system were concerned then about the ability of such smaller offshoot groups to seize control and direct the outcome.

This year, tea party groups such as FreedomWorks, which has spent more than $600,000 on anti-Hatch mailings and ads, hope to unseat Hatch in a similar fashion. Their chances were dimmed when turnout at the caucuses more than doubled, especially because many of the new attendees were there because of what happened with Bennett.

"The benefit of the caucus system is that it designates people who will do their job and listen. But I didn't like what happened to Bennett, which is one of the reasons I got involved," said Brian Grow, 28, a first-time delegate from Layton who is tentatively supporting Hatch. "It was frustrating to see him ousted by a fringe group that doesn't represent my views."

In Utah, candidates and interest groups are forced to organize at the grassroots level, which can give power to those who may not reflect a majority of the party. That certainly happened in 2010, both with tea party Republicans knocking off Bennett as well as environmentalists who forced Democratic Rep. Jim Matheson into a primary that he easily won.

Defenders of the Utah system argue a key advantage is that it reduces the influence of money in a race.

Hatch's spending – as well as more than $1 million from outside groups that funded television ads and brochures aimed at keeping the senator in office – certainly helped drive supporters to caucus meetings.

The outcome of Saturday's convention now comes down to candidate performance, likability, and just how many hands were shaken and minds changed.

"We start with our neighbors, and our views come up from the neighborhood and are carried to the convention," said Doug Smith, 59, a Hatch supporter from Bountiful. "If you want to have your voice heard, this is the system for it."

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KAYSVILLE, Utah -- Every handshake counts in Utah's unique nominating system, even for a senator seeking his seventh term. At Granny Annie's Cafe, just outside Salt Lake City, Sen. Orrin Hatch treate...
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Gaylord P Farqua 08:50 AM on 04/17/2012
The Tea Party sounded like a great idea until they turned up in Washington and started their campaign to block everything and anything positive to help the struggling economy and get Americans back to work. Now it time for Act II, the removal of any and all elected officials who do not strictly follow the marching orders from Koch Brothers Tea Party Headquarters and eliminate all reason left lurking around.  Read More...
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dbrett480
08:37 PM on 04/18/2012
This caucus system seems pretty silly and ineffective. It is designed to give more power to the extremes of either party.
09:24 AM on 04/18/2012
The problem with the Republican party is that it's been hijacked by the Tea Partiers , who's only concerns are anti abortion , birth control , gay marriage , gun rights , the president's birth certificate ,
and high end tax breaks . I'll bet no one can actually name just one thing they've done to spur job growth, bring affordable health care to those without it , fix underwater mortgages, and getting the economy on track. The magic bullet and fix-all to them are two magic words, - tax cuts - we had 8 yrs. of tax cuts under Bush and it didn't help anybody but the corporate fat cats the " job creators " who still atren't creating many good paying jobs.
08:50 AM on 04/18/2012
TERM LIMITS, term limits, term limits
07:35 AM on 04/18/2012
We need a new Congress....void of all incumbents! Get out and vote and vote out an incumbent. Let's take our country back from our elected officials.
07:33 AM on 04/18/2012
Another Congressional member that needs to be ousted. 7 Term Congressional members are not their to serve the people. Vote him and other incumbents out. Get out and vote and vote out an incumbent
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Frank-ly Speaking
This ain't my first time at the rodeo. . .
01:09 AM on 04/18/2012
The Tea Party: Rejecting Orrin Hatch and recruiting their new candidates in the booby hatch.
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madHenry
He came; he saw; he bummed everybody out; he left
12:50 AM on 04/18/2012
Heaven help me, but how I DO like seeing Hatch squirm. Lugar, not so much. But Hatch? You betcha!
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12:49 AM on 04/18/2012
Very few Senators can stand out as Senator Hatch, having supported him for years, I always hoped that he would become a Supreme Court Justice. The man has delivered and never been controversial in his regard for the electorate and his accomplishments.
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BRAINS4USA
Vote. Just do it. Always.
01:32 AM on 04/18/2012
Whoehahahahahahahaha. WHAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...LMAO !!! Supreme hahahahahahahahahah Court WHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAH..Justice.... HAHHAHAHAHHHAHAHA!!! What a great joke!!
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12:26 AM on 04/19/2012
What could expect, that there is always one who does not make it back for bedcheck.
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truly moderate
Paleo-conservative and Anti-tea party
12:48 AM on 04/18/2012
..."In Utah, candidates and interest groups are forced to organize at the grassroots level, which can give power to those who may not reflect a majority of the party"....

In some ways this is a bad thing. The polarized views of a strong minority can be different from the majority and yet its those minority views that get the "vote". However, its not all bad because it allows strong minorities within the liberal and conservative communities which are less mainstream and feel high degrees of change are needed to be heard. The con of this then comes down to the ideal that there's less chance of bi-partisianship if say a tea party conservative gets the nomination vs a more mainstream moderately conservative one. Most people would view this as ultimately bad (I am one of those people). Of course, its only fair that the opposing view be made clear as well, which is that there isn;t much difference between Moderate conservative republicans and moderately liberal democrats, and that electing strongly liberal dems or high conservative repubs is the only way for real change. The problem of-course is gridlock. Nobody can have all the cake, but if we all get a slice (bi-partisianship), atleast we won't go hungry.

The third solution is for third parties like the Reform and Green parties to come to prominance. I genuinely favor THIS third way.
12:31 AM on 04/18/2012
whats happening to the GOP?

its like getting to the last 20 pages of a book, you just cant read it fast enough
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terry63
treasure hunter.
12:29 AM on 04/18/2012
The loss of Hatch, by the GOP, would be devastating.
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BRAINS4USA
Vote. Just do it. Always.
01:32 AM on 04/18/2012
Its going to happen...
11:47 PM on 04/17/2012
What goes around, comes around, Orrin. Too bad you didn't work to have equality in voting before now, huh?
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Allen Reed Jensen
10:18 PM on 04/17/2012
Unless his health declines he is not leaving. I live in Deseret myself and know the people and the politics. It's not 2010. The Tea Party is less enthusiastic about kicking out labeled RINOs and more interested in getting Romney and other Republicans who can get things done elected.
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BRAINS4USA
Vote. Just do it. Always.
01:33 AM on 04/18/2012
In your dreams maybe...
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Allen Reed Jensen
10:09 PM on 04/17/2012
I believe Hatch is safe. He is no more conservative than his former colleague Bob Bennett but he has had three years to appease and suck up to the Tea Party while Bennett only one. It is true that popular Mitt Romney supported Bennett back in 2010 but that was in a Tea Party year and as the inevitable nominee it is Mitt's correlation and Hatch undoubtedly benefits from that. Hatch has also been a more prominent Republican and better politician. Bennett knew how to bring home the bacon and that is usually a great thing to constituents but not in 2010. If Rep. Chaffetz challenged him he would be (politically speaking) dead meat. I would be surprised if Chaffetz wouldn't take Hatch's place by 2018 or maybe sooner.
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BRAINS4USA
Vote. Just do it. Always.
01:34 AM on 04/18/2012
Please. 'popular romney'? on which planet are you living? Hatch is going down the...
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Allen Reed Jensen
01:51 AM on 04/18/2012
He is popular in reference to Utah voters. In 2008 he won the GOP primary with 90% of the vote. He'll survive.
10:03 PM on 04/17/2012
Orrin Hatch will say and do anything to be reelected. He is pathetic and a fool. it is time for him to go. The problem. We will end up with another idiot like Mike Lee. I guess Utah deserves it. They vote their religion not on the issues. It is sad. Didn't used to be that way. But it is now.
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DocTonyNYC
11:20 PM on 04/17/2012
I was born and raised in Utah (and fled for the nearest border at age 18). A majority of voters in Utah have ALWAYS voted based on the influence of the church. It's not a new thing at all.
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Frank-ly Speaking
This ain't my first time at the rodeo. . .
01:12 AM on 04/18/2012
John McCain said and did ANYTHING to get re-elected. The Mittster will certainly say anything to get elected. It's a political way of life in both parties, but particularly on the right. They have to cover more territory in their policy shifts.