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Anders Behring Breivik Trial: Norway Killer Pressed On 'Knights Templar' Network

By KARL RITTER 04/18/12 02:05 PM ET AP

OSLO, Norway — The right-wing fanatic on trial for massacring 77 people in Norway says he wants either freedom or death, calling the country's prison terms "pathetic" and arguing for the return of capital punishment, which was last used here to execute Nazi collaborators after World War II.

In the third day of his terror trial, Anders Behring Breivik was grilled by prosecutors about the anti-Muslim militant group he claims to belong to.

He rejected their suggestions that the "Knights Templar" doesn't exist, but admitted he had embellished when describing the network in a 1,500-page manifesto he published online before the bomb-and-shooting rampage on July 22.

"In principle it is not an organization in a conventional sense," he said, describing it as a leaderless network consisting of "independent cells."

Prosecutors told reporters after Wednesday's hearing that they don't believe the group is real or that the meetings Breivik claims took place in Liberia, Britain and the Baltic countries ever happened.

The issue is of key importance in determining Breivik's sanity, and whether he's ultimately sent to prison or compulsory psychiatric care for carrying out Norway's worst peacetime massacre.

If found sane, Breivik could face a maximum 21-year prison sentence or an alternate custody arrangement that would keep him locked up as long as he is considered a menace to society. If declared insane he would be committed to psychiatric care for as long as he's considered ill.

"Acquittal or the death penalty are the only logical outcomes of this case," the confessed killer said. "I view 21 years in prison as a pathetic sentence."

According to Amnesty International, Belarus is the only country in Europe that still applies the death penalty; two young men were executed there last month. Russia announced a moratorium on capital punishment when it joined the Council of Europe in 1996 and pledged to abolish it, but has not done so.

Norway abolished capital punishment in peacetime in 1905 but retained it for war crimes until 1979. After World War II, Norway executed 24 Norwegians, 13 Germans and one Dane. The last execution was in 1948.

Breivik described himself as a resistance fighter ready to die for his cause. He said there were too many "keyboard warriors" among Europe's far-right militants, and that they have a lot to learn from al-Qaida, including its methods and glorification of martyrdom.

The 33-year-old Norwegian claims Muslim immigrants are colonizing Europe, with the tacit approval of liberal "multiculturalist" governments. That's why he says he chose to attack the government headquarters in Oslo and the annual summer camp of the Labor Party's youth wing.

Eight people were killed in the Oslo bombing and 69, mostly teenagers, were slain on Utoya island outside the capital.

"If I had feared death I would not have dared to carry out this operation," he said.

Survivors and relatives of those killed have expressed concern that the trial is giving Breivik a platform to express his radical views. A lawyer for the bereaved on Wednesday questioned him about his faith.

"I am a militant Christian," Breivik replied, though he added he wasn't "particularly religious."

Asked by one of the five judges of his thoughts on Nazis, he called himself an "anti-Nazi" and a "national conservative." The difference, he said, is that "I have a more liberal view on ethnicity" than Nazis. As an example, Breivik said he would find it acceptable if 2 percent of the population was not ethnic Norwegian.

According to government statistics, 12.2 percent of Norway's population are immigrants or children of immigrants.

The prosecutors seized on inconsistencies in how Breivik described meetings of like-minded "knights" in Liberia, London, and the Baltic countries in his manifesto, and in interrogations with police.

"What is it you're getting at?" Breivik snapped at a prosecutor, then answered the question himself, saying prosecutors want to "sow doubt over whether the KT network exists."

Breivik claimed to have met a Serb "war hero" during a trip to Liberia in 2002, but he refused to identify him. He also refused to give details of what he claims was the founding session of the "Knights Templar" in London in 2002.

He conceded, however, that he embellished in the manifesto when he described members at the founding session as "brilliant political and military tacticians of Europe."

Prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh challenged him on whether the meeting took place at all.

"It's not something you have made up?" she asked.

"I haven't made up anything. What is in the compendium is correct," he said.

Later, he answered with more nuance.

"There is nothing that is made up, but you have to see what is written in a context. It is a glorification of certain ideals," Breivik said.

He also said he had used "pompous" language when describing meetings in Estonia and Lithuania in 2004 as a "training course," but declined to elaborate.

Breivik's defensive answers contrasted with the assertive posture he took Tuesday when he read a prepared statement to the court, boasting that he had carried out the most "spectacular" attack by a nationalist militant since World War II.

On Wednesday, he seemed irritated at times, but never lost his calm, and smiled to his defense lawyers when the hearing was over. The trial is expected to last 10 weeks.

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Associated Press writer Bjoern H. Amland and Julia Gronnevet in Oslo and Louise Nordstrom in Stockholm contributed to this report.

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Anders Behring Breivik, a right-wing extremist who confessed to a bombing and mass shooting that killed 77 people on July 22, 2011, arrives for a detention hearing at a court in Oslo, Norway, Monday, Feb. 6, 2012. (AP Photo/Heiko Junge, Scanpix Norway)

Breivik is charged with terrorism and premeditated murder for a bombing in Oslo's government district, killing eight, and a shooting attack at a political youth camp, killing 69. He admits to the attacks but rejects criminal guilt. If convicted he would face a maximum sentence of 21 years in prison, though sentences can be extended if a criminal is considered a menace to society. If declared insane by the court, he would be committed to psychiatric care. Both sides can appeal the ruling to a higher court.

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08:38 PM on 04/19/2012
The obvious answer is the death penalty. He's a murderer. On the lines of Charles Manson.
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dwyer222
The right thing to do is never the right wing
06:08 PM on 04/19/2012
Who cares what he wants? Make him suffer.
02:16 PM on 04/19/2012
I can't believe Norway doesn't even have the option of life imprisonment without possibility of parole for monstrous scum like this (max. 21 years, then a weak type of parole review?!?).
On the other hand, since Breivik finds being found insane a fate worse than death, finding him insane and commiting him to an institution for the criminally insane (if mild-lawed Norway has such institutions) might be better, as long as Breivik is never released of course. Even Hinkley, who shot Pres. Reagan, is less sick and evil than this vermin, and last I heard Hinkley's still in a psychiatric institution after 31 years.

Breivik's trial should not even be publicised to allow him to air his ultra-evil and sick, twisted genocidal mindset.
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12:58 PM on 04/19/2012
If I was the judge: "Oh, really? Life in prison it is then. No parole."
11:14 AM on 04/19/2012
NATURE IS CULLING THE HERD
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12:57 PM on 04/19/2012
You need help.
Holypat777
When the man comes around-JC
02:20 PM on 04/19/2012
You're a sick POS!
07:43 AM on 04/19/2012
Breivik obviously isn't insane and he is turning his trial into a political statement.

He can't be acquitted, but is doing everything that he intended to do, which poses more important question: Who's really in control?

Given that he did not expect to survive his attacks, to begin with, his trial is kind of a bonus.

He is presenting Europe with a dilemma, which is a lot more important than just ranting about evil and how to punish him.

The worst casualty of all this is any rational discussion of "Eur-Arabia", which is likely to make the civil war Breivik claims he was trying to avert become a reality.

It's really all a study in paradoxes.
MHT73
words matter
06:37 AM on 04/19/2012
Stay strong, Norway!

Although this man clearly deserves the death penalty, this is an opportunity for Norway to show its true strength: A nation that adheres to the rule of law, and that, even in the most tempting circumstances, is undeterred from its principles.

Giving Breivik the death penalty would be falling in with his wishes. Don't do it. Keep him locked up forever. He's clearly a sociopath, and will never be rehabilitated.
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crankyCrackPot
My imaginary friend says that you need a therapist
03:56 PM on 04/19/2012
Part of me just thinks he needs a hug, around the neck... with a rope...
Nonetheless, accepting the death penalty requires implicit trust in the legal and justice systems and though I was born at night, it wasn't last night.

Anyone who does extend that implicit trust is just as loony as Breivik.
Everyone deserves a fair trial but they really need to shut this guy up, cut him off from the press. This trial is the best Neo-Nazi enrollment opportunity since the Americans elected a Kenyan Muslim in Hate with his own country (or so we're told from inside the bubble).
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ccraiglamont
Sometimes funny, other times...not!
04:20 AM on 04/19/2012
Hhhmmmn Death sentence or Aquittal? Glad it isn't Harry Hill that decides.
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Jarret Boisvert
03:42 AM on 04/19/2012
Seriously. Freedom or Death should not even be options. Imprisonment for the rest of his life - the opposite of what he wishes for - is the only option!
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hearthammer
If left is right and right is wrong, decide!
05:59 AM on 04/19/2012
Agreed 100%!!!

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02:17 AM on 04/19/2012
My first reaction was, of course, if that's the way he wants it, with no acquittal possible in the future. But, even in this case, capital punishment is wrong. He deserves to have the time to consider what he's done, and we deserve the opportunity to study this tragic case of ideological monomania. Hard to say how many there are like him, but we need to be ready, in any way we can, for any future outbreaks of this kind of madness.
GWBear
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02:05 AM on 04/19/2012
I believe he is evil, but not insane. He clearly knows the consequences of what he is did, and is doing now. It sems a bit far fetched that the ntire country of Norway can't come up with a third option which is to fond the man guilty, totally evil, unreclaimable by any means, and sentence him to life in prison without parole... maybe in solitary confinement, which he would find unacceptable.

I actually agree with him on one thing: 21 years for all those people is just too little. It comes to about 4 months served per person: it's too... trivial. If they have to make some new law to make an an appropriate response, then so be it. Do not further insult or damage Norwegians by saying the nation had no means or method to respond appropriately according to law and the national will. That would imply a country too unable to respond to the reality of the evil it was forced to face and accept.

Such a new and separate act of law would allow Norwegians to keep their sense of law, respect for life, and still respond appropriately to the tragedy in their own way... which is the least they can do to respond with dignity and yet respect the scope and loss of their dead.

I do respect a country advanced enough to NOT inflict the death penalty, even for such overwhelming provocation. I wish we were as civilized in the US.....
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mudshark12
Now who are you jiving with that cosmik debris?
01:40 AM on 04/19/2012
"The right-wing fanatic on trial for massacring 77 people in Norway says he wants either freedom or death, calling the country's prison terms "pathetic" and arguing for the return of capital punishment, which was last used here to execute Nazi collaborators after World War II."

1st paragraph quoted verbatim

Okay, if Anders feels THAT strongly about this then I say give him a 77 man firing squad comprised of family members of the victims who feel the need for closure. Let them use automatic weapons for a sure kill, showing NO mercy as that is what HE did.

Anders can be pathetic dying in a hail of bullets.
12:41 AM on 04/19/2012
This murderer does not deserve the freedom of death. He deserves to live out the rest of his life... in solitary in a small cell... where no one speaks to him or listens to him. Total silence. Total separation from humans. 24/7 monitoring so he cannot commit suicide. May he live to be 100.
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dave ochs
12:30 AM on 04/19/2012
well death penalty it is.
dave
11:47 PM on 04/18/2012
I have to agree with him on the death penalty. He certainly deserves it. But it is also obvious that he is deranged and not part of any group.
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shalebrook
Use your intellect-not your emotion.
12:47 AM on 04/19/2012
Yes, the death penalty-----but hang, draw and quarter him-while he watches a montage of the faces of those innocents he slew. then feed him to the hogs.