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SB 1070: Supreme Court Appears To Favor Arizona On Controversial Immigration Law

Posted: 04/25/2012 12:20 pm Updated: 04/25/2012 5:28 pm

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WASHINGTON -- A majority of the Supreme Court on Wednesday morning appeared sympathetic to Arizona's argument that the most controversial elements of its immigration law offer a legitimate helping hand to federal immigration policy, rather than act as unconstitutional agents of chaos.

The politically charged clash between Arizona and the United States was the final oral argument of the court's extraordinarily high-profile term and served as a rematch between D.C. superlawyer Paul Clement and U.S. Solicitor General Donald Verrilli, who faced off in the health care cases over the course of three days in late March.

Clement, arguing on behalf of Arizona and its governor, Jan Brewer, told the justices that the state's law, commonly known as S.B. 1070, "borrowed the federal standard as its own" in combating Arizona's "disproportionate share of the costs of illegal immigration."

Of the four provisions in S.B. 1070 that have been blocked by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, two criminalize undocumented immigrants' presence in Arizona and their seeking work with employers in the state. Another authorizes police officers to make warrantless arrests of anyone they have probable cause to believe has committed a deportable offense. And the fourth is the "papers please" measure, which requires law enforcement to demand immigration papers from anyone stopped, detained or arrested in the state who officers reasonably suspect is in the country without authorization, and further mandates law enforcement to determine all arrestees' immigration status before they are released.

The court's three participating liberal members were Clement's most aggressive questioners, but far from broadly protesting S.B. 1070, they focused narrowly on the prospect that U.S. citizens could be detained under the "papers please" provision for unconstitutionally unreasonable lengths of time.

"As I understand it, when individuals are arrested and held for other crimes, often there's an immigration check that most states do without this law," said Justice Sonia Sotomayor. "What I see as critical is the issue of how long," she said, questioning the length of a time the person would be held while Arizona law enforcement checked his or her status with the federal government.

Justice Stephen Breyer and Justice Samuel Alito, a member of the court's conservative bloc, also seemed troubled by this consideration.

Still, there was no major assault on S.B. 1070 coming from the high court.

On the other side, Justice Antonin Scalia took the most extreme view in favor of the law, sarcastically characterizing the federal government's argument as "the state has no power to close its borders to people who have no right to be there."

The conservative justices saved much of their skepticism for Solicitor General Verrilli's assertions that federal law preempted four provisions of the Grand Canyon State's effort at "attrition through enforcement." Justice Anthony Kennedy, the high court's swing vote, noted Arizona's "massive emergency with social disruption, economic disruption, residents leaving the state because of the flood of immigrants."

"Does that give the state of Arizona any powers or authority or legitimate concerns that any other state wouldn't have," Kennedy asked, strongly implying his answer would be "yes."

Meanwhile, Chief Justice John Roberts argued that the "papers please" provision does no more than assist the federal government's own policy of keeping tabs on undocumented immigrants. "It is not an effort to enforce federal law," Roberts said. "It is an effort to let you know about violations of federal law."

Verrilli insisted that the law still trod on federal prerogatives, leading at least one liberal justice to question the government's position. "I'm terribly confused by your answer," Sotomayor said. "If the government says [in response to Arizona's identification of an undocumented immigrant], 'We don't want to detain the person, they have to be released for being simply an illegal alien,' what's wrong with that?"

The heated controversy over Arizona's law has been driven largely by critics' view that the law was borne of anti-Hispanic prejudice and invites racial profiling -- despite language in the law prohibiting such practices. But Wednesday's case concerned the more technical doctrine of federal preemption of state laws, which is based on the Constitution's supremacy clause. Indeed, at the start of Verrilli's argument, Roberts announced that "no part of your argument has to do with racial or ethnic profiling."

Verrilli nevertheless slipped into this territory after Sotomayor urged him to list the reasons why the law should be preempted. He named first the "problem of harassment," citing Arizona's "2 million Latinos, of whom only 400,000 at most are there unlawfully."

"Sounds like racial profiling to me," Scalia retorted in an attempt to shut down that line of argument.

The Supreme Court seemed to take more kindly to Verrilli's argument that imprisoning undocumented immigrants under S.B. 1070's criminal sanctions for being present in Arizona or seeking work in the state would adversely affect the U.S. government's control of foreign relations. And during Clement's presentation, Roberts raised an eyebrow at Arizona's "imposing some significantly greater sanctions" on undocumented employees than those provided in the federal law, which focuses on punishing employers.

Alito, too, appeared willing to maintain the lower court's blocking of the criminal sanctions. "We are told that there are some important categories of aliens," such as those with pending asylum applications, who "cannot obtain federal registration, and yet they are people that nobody would think should be removed," Alito said.

Justice Elena Kagan has recused herself from the case, presumably because she worked on it while serving as solicitor general. Her absence leaves the possibility of a 4-4 split, which would automatically affirm the 9th Circuit's judgment without creating a nationwide precedent against similar laws passed in five other states and being seriously considered by another eight.

A 4-4 vote did not seem at all likely on Wednesday, however, as majorities of the justices leaned toward blocking the criminal sanctions while allowing the "papers please" and warrantless arrest provisions to go into effect, provided detainees are not held longer than they would be in the absence of S.B. 1070.

While that outcome would be a partial victory for Arizona and the states that have followed its lead, such a ruling would also leave those laws vulnerable to potential and currently pending challenges by civil rights groups on behalf of individuals who allege violations of equal protection and due process protections, among other constitutional injuries.

The Supreme Court is expected to decide the case, Arizona v. United States, by late June.

This story has been updated with the release of the oral argument transcript.

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12:50 PM on 06/10/2012
fortunatly for the real issue and the fact that obama does not care one iotta about imigrants, the administration chose to deal with the federal gov vs. the state gov. part, not the rights of citizens being asked for papers because they happen to be hispanic, and detained so that law enforcement can verify there status. obama is in hot water when it comes to the hispanic vote it is clear that he has deported more than bush jr. did in his eight years in office. shame on obama.
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11:03 PM on 05/04/2012
Chief Justice Roberts gets his "laundry" done....This was in anticipation of his appointment...



We found the smoking gun in the Roberts nomination - the Iran-Contra scandal. PentaPost reports:

One file withheld, regarding the Iran-contra affair, was a draft memo from Roberts to his bosses with the heading "re: establishment of NHAO" -- referring to the Nicaraguan Humanitarian Assistance Office.

The office was one of the ways the Reagan administration got around what were known as the Boland amendments, which prohibited U.S. intelligence agencies from spending money to overthrow the Sandinistas. The office was a way the administration could get funds to the contras for nonmilitary purposes, but once there the money was used for all sorts of things.

In other words, John Roberts "lawyered" the Iran-Contra Scandal - one of the worst scandals in American history.

Now we know why Karl Rove is scrubbing Roberts' files!!!

In the 1990's, Senate Democrats let the architects of the Iran-Contra scandal escape without punishment. Oliver North became a media celebrity (and nearly a U.S. Senator), John Poindexter got hired by George Bush to create the Big Brother ("Total Information Awareness") office at the Pentagon. And Elliot Abrams took over Middle East policy at the National Security Council, where he played (and continues to play) a secret but crucial role in the Iraq War disaster.

Have Senate Democrats learned their lesson? Or will they let a key Iran-Contra lawyer become a Supreme Court Justice?
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01:47 AM on 05/01/2012
For All those screaming Racial Profiling.... all you have to show is your Arizona License, or ANY Gov't document (Most states licenses & ID cards) You don't have to carry anything new.

Here is the Text of the Law:

A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:

1. A VALID ARIZONA DRIVER LICENSE.

2. A VALID ARIZONA NONOPERATING IDENTIFICATION LICENSE.

3. A VALID TRIBAL ENROLLMENT CARD OR OTHER FORM OF TRIBAL IDENTIFICATION.

4. IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.
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DocSkull
My questions aren't rhetorical.
04:11 PM on 05/01/2012
"You don't have to carry anything new."

Sure you do, you currently aren't required to carry any identification, let alone one that proves your immigration status.

"A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW ..."

This also means that you will be presumed an alien who is unlawfully present if you don't have your papers.
04:31 PM on 05/01/2012
What? When you are driving a car you are required to have your driver license with you and present it to any peace offcer when requested. Further if you do not have your ID a citation can be issued for such failure. Most every state recommends you always carry an ID with you.
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04:48 PM on 05/01/2012
Sorry Doc.. you're incorrect here. ALL adults over 18 are required by law to carry and present ID at all times in this country. You better double check the laws you seem to be misquoting.

And in THIS case, since Arizona DOES verify citizenship BEFORE issuing a drivers license, you're good to go if you have one. AZ State ID Cards also have the same requirements. And since you need ID Just about everywhere else, (to use a credit card, write a check, take a flight etc.... really, are you THAT Burdened by carrying your ID in your wallet?) Seems like you're arguing just to argue.

Lets see 14-20 million illegals, and we try to do something about it with I.D. or YOU don't WANT to have to carry your I.D. I'm going with the former, not the latter.
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Gary Strawley
07:00 AM on 04/30/2012
The supreme court has passed a law that allows billions of $$$$$$$$$$ into our ELECTIONS
which is the opposet of what our four fathers wanted! and the opposet of the constitution!!!
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Jerry Bourbon
07:53 PM on 04/30/2012
The Supreme Court PASSES laws? Wow, you are a true constitutional scholar...
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Gary Strawley
06:50 AM on 04/30/2012
The supreme court Passed a law letting billions of dollars of $$$$$$ into our elections! Which is
the opposet the our CONSTITUTION! THAT MEANS THAT THEY ARE NOW AGAINST THE
CONSTITUTION!! AND THEY WILL KEEP PROVING IT! THAT IS FOR SURE!!!
12:30 PM on 04/30/2012
What is the difference? If a union or corporation is funding campaigns and initiatives? Why has it been okay for the unions to do it but not the other side?
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07:55 PM on 04/30/2012
They are both wrong, and two wrongs don't make a right!
06:53 PM on 04/29/2012
if this possible "soon to be law" passes 1070 and it """CLEARLY STATES"""" that this HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE, NATIONAL ORIGIN, ETC" and it prohibits 100% anything that has to do with "labeling and racism" then why are there so many racist comments here? Please keep in mind, everyone that in regards to the "harrasing part" from police officers asking for your legal status, everyone will be and should be ask that question, regardless of your race, your name or what part of town you live in. it doesn't matter if your name is Joe Smith or Jennifer Lopez or Lee Mandarin. a driver's license doesn't proof that you are legal, your look or your accent doesn't proof it, neither your name or the type of car you drive. So, Get used to carry your birth certificate with you and wait for the cop to verify on the phone if you are legal or not. THAT'S WHAT THE LAW STATES AND IT'S ABOUT. if you are going to make a racial comment at all, then you don't agree with this law and you should post comments in another website that talks about racism or something like that.
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09:16 PM on 04/29/2012
Melky: Agree with you! ALL States require people to show proof of ID. The problem now is THOSE IN FAVOR OF LETTING ILLEGALS STAY HERE, *KNOW* that Illegals will not be able to provide ANY I.D. showing authorization to be here. SO, to distract from THAT fact, they start SCREAMING the "BROWN SKIN & RACISM" conversation. It's all about DISTRACTION, so that people focus on the SUPPOSED RACISM, instead of the problems caused by ILLEGALS & THOSE WHO EMPLOY THEM.

ANY TOURIST is LEGALLY required to carry their passport AT ALL TIMES, showing their I-94 card, or VISA if they are from one of the FEW countries that are required to obtain them. (Mexico & Australia are 2 Examples.)

NO ILLEGAL will be able to do that, SO, those who hate Americans from within, want to FOCUS on PREVENTING LAW ENFORCEMENT from checking **ANY** I.D. The LAW to provide ID when asked, has been on the books for DECADES. SO they SCREAM racism loudly to polarize, create fear & distract from the gov't Checking ANY I.D.

It's complete BS. IF I have to show my ID to the FREAKING grocery checker at the Supermarket to use my credit card, then ILLEGALS DAMN WELL BETTER HAVE TO SHOW ID. AND WE NEED TO PROSECUTE BIG BIZ WHO LURE THEM HERE TO EXPLOIT THEM AS WELL! A BIG PART, THAT IS TOO OFTEN FORGOTTEN.
06:11 PM on 04/30/2012
Wanna know the best way to reduce illegal immigration? Raise the minimum wage.
Wanna know the best way to increase the number of illegals? Lower the minimum wage.
This is COMPLETE B.S. and everyone knows this is a law MEANT to give police the unfettered right to question people based on "reasonble suspicion" ---UM can you say racial profiling????
08:58 PM on 04/30/2012
believe me, I am in favor of sod me regulation to get rid of illegals. what could be an illegal? anyone of any race regardless if they are white, brown, blue, purple or red. as the "lets's say proposed new law states" nothing should be based on your race, or national origin. Therefore, everyone freaking person should be questioned by a police officer, i don't care if your name is James smith or Carlos lopez. and your I.D is not enough, everyone should carry their birth certificate and get ready to be interviewed by an officer. if they stop someoned based on their color then this law should not take place. that's all I'm saying, I'm not crying or screaming anything about brown skin and racism. but I noticed all the stupid comments of a bunch ignorant people talking about race, and national origin and all that crap left and right. I'm not Mexican, I don't speak spanish and I'm not illegal. Instead I'm a U.S citizen and yes I look brown, with brown hair. and I live in a wealthy are of Phoenix. the part that I won't accept is if someone is questioning me and they won't question the person behind me just because they "look more white than me" that will be the part that will create a bunch of controversy and a huge but huge problem.
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08:01 AM on 04/30/2012
Melky, Acutally there are MANY States that verify citizenship BEFORE a drivers license is issued.... I don't know about Arizona though. Never had an Arizona License.
09:09 AM on 04/30/2012
Can we disagree without being racist anymore? This racist card is as uneducated as the illegals trying to have welfare babies in our country. THEY ARE ILLEGAL! Heck with the law lets call it racism because we don't know anything else.
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voyager48
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10:25 AM on 05/03/2012
The point is that the overwhelming majority of states require proof of legal residence before issuing a DL or ID. A couple don't such as New Mexico, I think Washington and Puerto Rico.
06:21 PM on 04/29/2012
there are parts of this law that I agree 100% and other parts that I completly disagree. I agree to make it a crime for illegal immigrants to seek for work and I disagree with cops stopping people and harrasing them based on their "looks" for example, I am an American Citizen 1/2 italian and 1/2 puertorican and my wife is native american, we are professional and we live in a nice area of phoenix. and I guarantee you that they will be harrasing me becuase I live in place where the majority are white. if it happens now, it will be worse later and that's why we decided to move to another state when this happens. we have nothing to hide, this is where we are from but for that same reason we are moving, I don't want my kids to grow up in the middle of this tension. we don't speak spanish, we are not even mexican and we are American citizens and I don't want anybody to harrass me or my kids just because we look italian, native american... and I know that it's gonna be a huge mess. as I mentioned, I agree with a law to make it a crime for illegal immigrants to work in this country but now with a law to stop American Citizens and ask them questions related to that when we have nothing to do with any of that's the part that I don't agree at all.
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06:32 AM on 04/30/2012
Melky... don't be so quick to judge. The law has been on the books for decades. That they are about to enforce it, is the NEW part. Already there is a 14% decrease in the number of reported Illegal Aliens in the state. AND for the first time in 2 decades, the number of newly arrived illegals measured by border patrol is decreasing and anchor baby births, new welfare applications, discontinued benefits, are also decreasing rapidly. Word has spread, and even before the law is in force, the tide has changed.

Have you EVER been pulled over and been harassed for the way you look? The new law does NOT give any officer permission to do so. It ONLY allows them to enforce the law to check citizenship IF there is a reason to. ONE Of the most common reasons is, and will be when someone can't or wont' produce ANY I.D... More than 90% of the time, when a person CAN'T or WON'T produce ANY ID there is some criminal reason they don't want to be found out. NO ILLEGAL will be able to produce I.D. that shows they are authorized to be here.

Every Citizen will be able to show ID, and have it verified. Anytime you get pulled over now, you have to show ID anyway. So what is the difference? NOW THEY WILL CHECK TO SEE IF THE DETAINEE IS ILLEGAL. IF you're not illegal you have nothing to worry about.
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07:26 AM on 04/30/2012
The State of Arizona is ALREADY seeing a reduction in expenses to provide these welfare benefits, educate, medicate, & incarcerate illegals. These freed up funds can be used to prosecute the big employers who lure Illegals to the state, and exploit them and sluff their 'benefits onto the taxpayers. This has been eroding the wage/benefits base, as well as the quality of life for Arizonans for decades, as it has gone unchecked.

More funds can be diverted to monitoring the border. Jobs are opening up, income tax revenues are rising, relieving those who've BEEN paying taxes, vs all those who held illegals jobs and did not pay taxes.

It's NOT about Racism as the proponents who keep SCREAMING about it, WANT YOU TO BELIEVE. THEY ARE SCREAMING THIS TO SCARE YOU, IT'S A WELL KNOWN TACTIC.

It's ****ABOUT PROTECTING AMERICAN CITIZENS. PERIOD.****
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DocSkull
My questions aren't rhetorical.
10:20 PM on 05/01/2012
"THEY ARE SCREAMING THIS TO SCARE YOU"

You're the one screaming.

Could you link to these savings?
03:09 AM on 04/29/2012
SB1070 is NOT about immigration.

The intent of SB1070 is to intimidate and control LEGAL American citizens of Hispanic decent.

Hispanics vote mostly democratic.

The intent of SB1070 is to make LEGAL Hispanics live in fear and thus be afraid to vote for fear of illegally being deported.

This has already happened twice within the last year.

SB1070 is nothing but a 21st century Jim Crow Law.
06:34 PM on 04/29/2012
i do but not exactly agree with you. I'm hispanic and I'm a American Citizen, where am I going to get deported to? New York because that's where I was born... I AGREE WITH THE PART TO MAKE IT A CRIME FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO LOOK FOR WORK OR EVEN TO BE HERE. but the part that I don't agree is for cops to be harrasing people like me, American Citizens that have nothing to do with all that. I live in Ahwatukee and it's a side of town where the majority are white, so because I don't look too white, I'm going to be harrased. hey, i have nothing to hide, this is where I'm from and pretty much every hispanic, italian, native american that lives here are going to be the targets. that's why I'm moving out of state, not because I'm illegal because I'm the opposite of that but because I don't want to be harrased by anyone. so, if I'm taking my kids to soccer practice on a saturday morning here in Ahwatukee or if I'm at the golf club they are going and and my taillight is broken, they will be asking me questions related to that. I don't even know spanish.
06:52 PM on 04/29/2012
Read the story of the 18 year old LEGAL Hispanic American citizen that was illegally deported from Arizona back to Mexico just a couple of months ago.

This will become a firestorm if SB1070 passes.
03:05 AM on 04/29/2012
If Arizona really wrote a true illegal immigration bill it would give all white people 10 days to move out so the rightful owners, Native Americans, could regain the lands white people stole from them.
11:12 AM on 04/29/2012
Native Americans? This land had no natives. First, DNA evidence suggest ALL people migrated from Africa and populated the world as we know it today. Second, there has been significant DNA evidence that certain Indian tribes do have ties to Asian peoples. While other tribes have a mix to Asia and Northern European people. Like the Vikings and there travels to here going back as far as 500AD, maybe even earlier.
06:40 PM on 04/29/2012
don't talk about Native Americans please. everyone is going to be a victim of this law, at least on the "harrasing part" if a cop feels like asking you for proof of your citizenship they will do. regardless of your looks, regardless of anything. as the law states, this has nothing to do with your race, national origin, nationality or any of that... so get use to it. in other words, carry your birth certificate with you at all times, no matter if your name is James Smith or Carlos Lopez.
07:18 PM on 04/29/2012
So you admit that your house belongs to some one in Africa.

Please select any citizen of Africa and mail them the Title to your house immediately.

What ????

You wont do that ????

You were just blowing smoke to absolve your own guilt ????
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Jerry Bourbon
12:43 AM on 05/01/2012
"Native" Americans? You mean those of us who were born here? Cool, sounds good to me.
01:28 AM on 05/01/2012
Delusion and denial are your two best friends.
03:02 AM on 04/29/2012
If judges can be labeled conservative or liberal, they are NOT doing their jobs.
12:17 PM on 04/29/2012
Just because someone gives you a label does not mean that it is true. What is simply disagreement is now being branded for those who want mislead.
06:48 PM on 04/29/2012
Labels. We don't need no stinking labels.
06:19 PM on 04/29/2012
You can label anyone anyway you like--that doesn't mean they aren't doing their job!! And you will notice that the Huffington Post mention Justice Breyer with no indication of being liberal, but mentioned Justice Alito and then profiled him as a member of the conservative bloc.Doesn't appear to be 'fair and balanced' reporting.
10:58 PM on 04/28/2012
All the bull aside, illegal? Yeah, its illegal. You want to come here legally do it. Nuff said.
03:39 PM on 04/28/2012
AZ SB 1070 is not an issue of either US or Arizona's "immigration" policies. The framing of the issue as an "immigration" issue is a collusion by both sides arguing in the US Supreme Court today to disguise the projected policies of continuing colonization in the territories under the rubric of "the rule of law", while the crime of colonialism against the Nations and Pueblos of Indigenous Peoples goes unchallenged, and undefined.

It is a ploy to position the NAFTA government states of North America (Canada-US-Mexico) as the only legitimate authorities for the determination of legal status in the region. It is an act of premeditated genocide against the sovereign powers of the surviving Nations and Pueblos of Indigenous Peoples to freely determine their own future in their own terms, and with their own jurisdictions of nationhood, citizenship and nationality.

http://cdb-tonatierra.blogspot.com/2012/04/az-sb1070-is-not-law.html
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Alekxi
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12:31 PM on 04/28/2012
Immigrants do job for a lower pay. This keeps the cost of whatever it is they do or produce, low.

Whether you agree with it or not there is a positive side to this just as there is a negative side.

Besides this country was built on immigrants.

I can just imagine how different life would be if the Natives would have not allowed us to come into the United States. Well, it would not be different because most of us would not know what living in America would be like.
06:55 PM on 04/28/2012
This land had no natives. DNA evidence suggest ALL people migrated from Africa and populated the world as we know it today. If you go back a few thousand years and study the DNA of what we know as the American Indian. For instance, numerous American Indians and Mongolians share a physical trait, known as "shovel tooth" in which the incisor has a distinctive shovel-like shape. According to geneticists, this cannot be a coincidence. Another interesting piece of evidence has to do with skull measurements. According to skull measurements done in 2001 at the University of Michigan, scientists have suggested that Blackfoot, Sioux, and Cherokee Indians may have descended from the ancient, indigenous Jomon people of Japan, and related to the Ainu ethnic minority on the island of Hokkaido.

And on the east coast of north America much of their DNA suggest a strong link to Asia and Northern European people. Like the Vikings and there travels here going back as far as maybe 500AD.
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Alekxi
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08:13 PM on 04/28/2012
So then why do we call them Natives?
Well thank you for explaining that to me.
02:27 AM on 04/29/2012
This land had no natives. :) Since life didn't originate in the Americas, then everyone is an immigrant and I believe that a more correct term would be pre-Columbus. There have been several studies that show the connection of Indians & Mongolians. I think its funny how everyone jumps on the "its raciest" bandwagon when it's confirmed by DNA. The problem is there is so much money tied up in "American Indians" that anything that shows they may not have been the first people in North America is view as a threat and an attempt to re-take land.
The reality of the situation is that no matter where you are in the world, your immediate ancestors where not there first. It's not an insult, it's just a fact.

BTW - I live close to an Indian reservation and when you asked them if they think they should have had a better immigration policy they say "Hell Yes!".
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11:06 PM on 04/29/2012
ALEKXI:

FYI, the "Positive" side of it, is NOT as you think. The savings the Employers of ILLEGALS gain, are NOT passed on to consumers in the form of lower pricing. They are, in fact bundled and stuffed into the BONUSES that the 1%'ers at the top skim.

LEGAL IMMIGRANTS & L-1 Visa workers are NOT a problem here because THEY are protected by law, against the exploitation and sub minimum wages that employers force on ILLEGALS. They KNOW Illegals won't complain, for fear of being turned in, or losing the job to any of the 100+ illegals waiting in line for their spot. AND, they don't pay them benefits for the same reason.

This does NOTHING but ERODE living wages and quality of life here. It creates a whole class of workers who are not paying taxes, which further burdens those who ARE paying taxes. As it continues to progress toward MORE people working illegals jobs, not paying taxes and collecting gov't support benefits, vs those who DO pay taxes to support them, the entire infrastructure begins to crumble. This has already happened in Maywood California (GOOGLE IT.) Los Angeles, Riverside and San Bernadino Counties, SOME OF THE LARGEST AND MOST ILLEGALLY POPULATED COUNTIES in the nation, are fast approaching the point of no return.
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Alekxi
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11:47 PM on 04/29/2012
Sorry, your comment was too long...
12:00 PM on 04/28/2012
Actually the Obama administration has been deporting illegal more and faster than Bush ever did.
01:17 PM on 04/28/2012
Yes it is amazing what technology can do for him. He can keep better track of the revolving door. To bad he does ot count the same person only once.
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01:18 PM on 04/28/2012
You mean like his own uncle?
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10:58 AM on 04/28/2012
The Supreme Court reasoning in the case is common sense. Why won't the Obama Administration enforce current Immigration Laws? With over 20 million Illegals in the Country, this is a major issue which compromises our Nations security and the welfare of legal citizens. Our elections could be compromised by fraud, State budgets are drained in providing services to Illegals, stolen IDs are issued by the millions wiping out peoples bank accounts. Tax refunds by the billions are being given to Illegals. The Supreme Court must take Obama to task for his failure to address Illegal Immigration and challenging States that attempt to comply with the Law.
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DocSkull
My questions aren't rhetorical.
11:39 AM on 04/28/2012
"Why won't the Obama Administration enforce current Immigration Laws?"

I know that the media wing of the Republican party has been chanting that bit of polemic, but deportations are higher than it has ever been and Obama has diverted troops from Bush's unfinished wars to the border. It is a shallow lie. However, I welcome the party to continue to hammer away at Mexican immigrants and Latino-Americans. Their candidate's father was born in Mexico and they can't win without improving their standing with Latinos.
03:07 PM on 05/02/2012
Latinos comprised 7% of the electorate last election. Explain how 7% beats 93%?
11:59 AM on 04/28/2012
1. It is 12 million, not 20 million. 2. Racial profiling us alive and well in Arizona. I was stopped there for having a guy from India in my car. 3. Immigration is thevexclusive jurisdiction of federal authority. When you give states these rights they tend to abuse them. 4. Most important, your federal right prohibiting illegal search and siezure should prevent warrantless harrassment. We can't trust states not to support harrassment
or worse of teenage boys walking home in the rain wearing a hooded
sweater and carrying a beverage and bag of candy. Can we?
12:44 AM on 04/29/2012
I just went to the Grand Canyon with a carload of Chinese, nobody bothered us.
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11:20 PM on 04/29/2012
CD... what was the traffic violation you were stopped for. It's illegal for the officer to pull you over without one. IF you had an Indian (From India) in the car with you, was he An American Citizen, Did he have a green card, a Passport with a CURRENT L-1 Work Visa, or an I-94 card with less than 90days on it. You said "FROM" INDIA, not American of Indian Descent, so I'm just curious. IF he's NOT A Citizen, he MUST carry one of the latter on him at ALL TIMES regardless what state he is in, or he can be arrested and deported. THAT law has been on the books for Decades.

IF you WERE pulled over as you claim, with NO Traffic Violation, it's a VERY simple procedure to file a complaint. EVERY Officer is REQUIRED to give you their full name, as well as their badge number. You call the police department, ask for the commanding officer, and file the complaint. They will question the officer, refer to his dash cam, and any recording device, which they usually have on for their protection against liars, and proceed from there. IF you were illegally pulled over, the officer will be sanctioned. If an officer is sanctioned repeatedly, they can be terminated. It's a very simple process, BUT if you file a FALSE POLICE REPORT, you are committing a crime.