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Enhanced Interrogation Techniques: Little Evidence That Harsh Treatment Used By CIA Produced Any Counter-Terrorism Breakthroughs

Reuters  |  By Posted: 04/27/2012 1:00 am Updated: 04/27/2012 5:23 am


By Mark Hosenball

April 27 (Reuters) - A nearly three-year-long investigation by Senate Intelligence Committee Democrats is expected to find there is little evidence the harsh "enhanced interrogation techniques" the CIA used on high-value prisoners produced counter-terrorism breakthroughs.

People familiar with the inquiry said committee investigators, who have been poring over records from the administration of President George W. Bush, believe they do not substantiate claims by some Bush supporters that the harsh interrogations led to counter-terrorism coups.

The backers of such techniques, which include "water-boarding," sleep deprivation and other practices critics call torture, maintain they have led to the disruption of major terror plots and the capture of al Qaeda leaders.

One official said investigators found "no evidence" such enhanced interrogations played "any significant role" in the years-long intelligence operations which led to the discovery and killing of Osama bin Laden last May by U.S. Navy SEALs.

President Barack Obama and his aides have largely sought to avoid revisiting Bush administration controversies. But the debate over the effectiveness of enhanced interrogations, which human rights advocates condemn as torture, is resurfacing, in part thanks to a new book by a former top CIA official.

In the book, "Hard Measures," due to be published on Monday, April 30, the former chief of CIA clandestine operations Jose Rodriguez defends the use of interrogation practices including water-boarding, which involves pouring water on a subject's face, which is covered with a cloth, to simulate drowning.

"We made some al-Qaeda terrorists with American blood on their hands uncomfortable for a few days," Rodriguez says in an interview with CBS News' "60 Minutes" that will air on Sunday, April 29. "I am very secure in what we did and am very confident that what we did saved American lives."

For nearly three years, the Senate intelligence committee's majority Democrats have been conducting what is described as the first systematic investigation of the effectiveness of such extreme interrogation techniques.


NO SCIENTIFIC ASSESSMENT

The CIA gave the committee access to millions of pages of written records charting daily operations of the interrogation program, including graphic descriptions of how and when controversial techniques were employed.

Sources agreed to discuss the matter on condition of anonymity because the report has not been finalized.

The committee members' objective is to conduct a methodical assessment of whether enhanced interrogation techniques led to genuine intelligence breakthroughs or whether they produced more false leads than good ones.

U.S. intelligence officials have acknowledged that while the harshest elements of the interrogation program, including water-boarding and other tactics which cause severe physical stress, were in use, the CIA never carried out a scientific assessment of the program's effectiveness.

The Bush Administration only used water-boarding on three captured suspects. One of them was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

Other coercive techniques included sleep deprivation, making people crouch or stretch in stressful positions and slamming detainees against a flexible wall.

The CIA started backing away from such techniques in 2004. Obama banned them shortly after taking office.

One source cautioned there could still be lengthy delays before any information or conclusions from the Senate committee's report are made public.

One reason the inquiry has taken so long is that in 2009, committee Republicans withdrew their participation, saying the panel would be unable to interview witnesses to ensure documentary material was reported in appropriate context due to ongoing criminal investigations.

People familiar with the inquiry said it consisted of as much as 2,000 pages in narrative accounts of how the CIA interrogation program worked, including specific case histories in which enhanced interrogation tactics were used.


'PROCEDURES' UNJUSTIFIED: FEINSTEIN

The Intelligence committee has not issued any official statements about what its inquiry has found or when it expects to wrap up. But committee chair Sen. Dianne Feinstein has made relatively strong statements about the lack of evidence that enhanced interrogations played any material role in generating information leading to bin Laden's killing.

Only days after the commando raid in which bin Laden was killed, Feinstein told journalists: "I happen to know a good deal about how those interrogations were conducted, and, in my view, nothing justifies the kind of procedures that were used."

Current and former U.S. officials have said one key source for information about the existence of the al Qaeda "courier" who ultimately led U.S. intelligence to bin Laden was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

KSM, as he was known to U.S. officials, was subjected to water-boarding 183 times, the U.S. government has acknowledged.

Officials said, however, that it was not until some time after he was water-boarded that KSM told interrogators about the courier's existence. Therefore a direct link between the physically coercive techniques and critical information is unproven, Bush administration critics say.

Supporters of the CIA program, including former Vice President Dick Cheney, have portrayed it as a necessary, if distasteful, step that may have stopped extremist plots and saved lives.

The purpose of using physically coercive methods was not directly to extract information about imminent plots but rather to put suspects in a frame of mind to cooperate with interrogators during future questioning, they say.

Critics also say that still-classified records are likely to demonstrate that harsh interrogation techniques produced far more information that proved false than true.

Some U.S. counter-terrorism officials have acknowledged that in the years after the Sept. 11 attacks, U.S. agencies were overwhelmed with bogus tips about possible plots and attacks. (Editing by Todd Eastham)

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W L Simpson
03:07 AM on 05/01/2012
Real torture produces lasting physical damage, water boarding does not. Saying please doesn't work very well either.
08:53 AM on 05/01/2012
If you don't know the subject, don't post.

Use of the waterboard in SERE training was discontinued specifically because of the irreversible physiological -and- psychological damage it causes.
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phal4875
The world is run by cats; we just feed them.
01:45 PM on 04/30/2012
Republicans just love being seen as tough. What says "tough" any more than torturing a helpless prisoner? Allen West would confirm that statement.
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phal4875
The world is run by cats; we just feed them.
01:43 PM on 04/30/2012
Rodriguez said "I am very secure in what we did and am very confident that what we did saved American lives." That statement is about as non-specific as it gets. He is saying that torture seemed fine to him and that it might have done some good. That is very weak.
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mschroe477
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12:31 PM on 04/30/2012
Regardless of how much the U.S. Government disavows the use of Hard Interrogation Techniques, I believe they’re lying in the name of defending Democracy and the American way of life. Because the U.S. is the most virtuous country in the World, who is going to put the U.S. Government or Military on trial for illegal, enhanced, and hard interrogation techniques? No one. Even if a nation, nations, or NATO charged U.S. Government CIA Agents, Military Operatives, or the President with War Crimes, who is going to arrest those charged and physically transport them to the International Criminal Court (ICC) at The Hague? We have seen the U.S. Government charge, hunt down and capture the Leaders of other countries for War Crimes and even put them to death. Who would even dare, lay serious charges against a President of the U.S.A.? Even if the majority of countries in the free world together charged a President with War Crimes, what are the chances of them coming to put that President in custody, much less taking them to the Hague for a trial? I can only imagine how many people are outraged at me suggesting such a thing. Well, I am writing this as a hypothetical, so please don’t go slamming me too hard, but on the other hand I really would like to know what other people’s thoughts are if such a situation were to actually arise.
12:36 AM on 04/30/2012
Isreal tried torture and found that the information you recieve is unrealiable, Isreal said torture doesn't work.Now when one of our soldiers get captured and tortured we can no longer stand on the high ground and complain about the treatment the soldier recieved.
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Sundalecat
We love Obama!, by an angry White Man
12:13 AM on 04/30/2012
Jose Rodriguez is a little wimp who has to order others to do his dirty work. He defends his decisions on the fly. Tea Party People you don't like government, but I just bet you like Jose.

After watching this interview I felt like I needed a little Jose............Jose Cuervo!
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Skypilotbaby
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10:46 PM on 04/29/2012
Jose missed his calling in Chile in the 70's.

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MJinCanada
Safe from zombies until my 2nd cup of coffee
10:37 PM on 04/28/2012
In 866, Pope Nicholas I wrote:
If a [putative] thief or bandit is apprehended and denies the charges against him, you tell me your custom is for a judge to beat him with blows to the head and tear the sides of his body with other sharp iron goads until he confesses the truth. Such a procedure is totally unacceptable under both divine and human law (quasi rem nec divina lex nec humana prosus admittit), since a confession should be spontaneous, not forced. It should be proffered voluntarily, not violently extorted. After all, if it should happen that even after inflicting all these torments, you still fail to wrest from the sufferer any self-incrimination regarding the crime of which he is accused, will you not then at least blush for shame and acknowledge how impious is your judicial procedure? Likewise, suppose an accused man is unable to endure such torments and so confesses to a crime he never committed. Upon whom, pray tell, will now devolve the full brunt of responsibility for such an enormity, if not upon him who coerced the accused into confessing such lies about himself?
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splashy
Really?!?!!!
05:24 PM on 04/28/2012
Of COURSE it doesn't work. Hurting people only leads to false information, because they will say anything to stop the pain.

The best interrogators are ones that make people comfortable, relaxed, and trusting. They will tell you all kinds of things then, either with boasting, or from feeling that they will be protected by you, or from guilt.
12:44 PM on 04/28/2012
The torturing of Prisoners of War is a War Crime. We are a Nation of "laws", why haven't We tried those responsible???
12:37 PM on 04/28/2012
Name, Rank, and Serial number, if I gave any other information I could be "in trouble" with my Country. The torturing of Prisoners of War is a War Crime. Why aren't shrub and the neocons in prison or hanging?
11:49 AM on 04/28/2012
Don't we usually have one of our allies do the torturing for us? Turkey?

Kidding aside, don't philosophers and ethicists have a rationale for this?

The avoidance of harm to millions at the expense of a few?

Whats so morally wrong with that?

We apply that rationale everywhere else?

End of life care? We dont fund ( even the UK does not ) endless array of surgeries to the terminally ill ( in hopes that they live a few years more ) because those resources and monies are better spent to the remission of others.

Americans should get to used to the reality that we live in an increasingly hostile world that does not play fair.

Wars are not fair and square. They never have been.

We dont learn of "smallpox and cholera laced blankets" ( whether or not Native Americans were actually given them to wipe them out ) and other foul tactics used to defeat the enemy is because the victors usually write the
accounts of history.

The Mongols could not claim ancestry to nearly a dozen nations from East Asia to Central Asia if they had played fair and signed trade treaties and pacts.
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12:58 PM on 04/28/2012
Revenge is a very short term mental bandaid. The best long term solution is work with the overwhelming majority of Muslims that disavow violence and accept a low (but violent) percentage of betrayal. Logic is useful but without feelings for Life, it doesn't accomplish anything worthwhile.
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indeedie
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04:10 PM on 04/28/2012
"Kidding aside, don't philosophers and ethicists have a rationale for this?

The avoidance of harm to millions at the expense of a few?"

Were there ANY evidence of harm to a few ever saving millions, thousand or even hundreds, this might be a valid question to ask. However, the evidence is that tor.ture does not produce valid intelligence.
07:04 AM on 04/28/2012
Why is the govt. wasting $ on old news?
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Lawyer13
retired Lawyer, General and Psychiatric Nurse, wit
11:24 AM on 04/28/2012
Spot on post. F & F from London England.
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Elbrando
The dream shall never die - Ted Kennedy
06:52 AM on 04/28/2012
Torture doesn't work. It only fills a sick need to cause pain. The only information you gain is what you want to hear not what is true.

But enough about the republican debates.
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Lawyer13
retired Lawyer, General and Psychiatric Nurse, wit
11:25 AM on 04/28/2012
Well said I just love the last line. F & F from London England
05:12 AM on 04/28/2012
In other words : Because there is no evidence that these proceedures worked, they obviously were not effective and therefore the harshness of these methods is not adequate and therefore we can find no reason to outlaw them. In other, other words : Nothing will change - a very effective doublespeak whitewash inquiry.