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Etsy Scandals Highlight Thin Line Between 'Handmade' And 'Factory Made'

Posted: 04/27/2012 1:32 pm Updated: 04/29/2012 10:26 pm

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In January, e-commerce site Etsy.com banned Tracy Robertson from selling goods on its marketplace after discovering that she had outsourced some of her work.

"My business is completely crippled right now," Robertson, a model and fashion designer, wrote in an email to Etsy after the company pulled the plug on her account. "I moved my entire catalog over to Etsy and closed my personal Web site because I loved and trusted your platform so much."

Etsy, which promises shoppers handmade items, stood by its action. Robertson had delegated too much of her operation to other people, leading Etsy to flag her items as "factory made" and revoke her right to sell on the site.

When asked about the Robertson incident, Etsy declined to comment.

The company's closure of Robertson's shop is not an isolated incident. As six-year-old Etsy has grown into the largest online crafts retailer in world, the prospect of eBay-style resellers invading the site and flooding it with mass-produced items has prompted the company to step up its policing of sellers.

This year, Etsy nearly doubled the size of its now 16-person detective staff whose sole job is to investigate if merchants are breaking its rules.

Those rules are not easy to understand and in certain areas are quite vague, much like the craft industry's definition of "handmade."

Etsy staff say the guidelines have changed considerably since the site started in 2005.

"Over time, as the marketplace grew and individual shops became more successful, we came to better understand the realities of Etsy shops as businesses," said Lauren Engelhardt, an Etsy policy manager, in a blog post this week on the company's blog.

"For some shops, remaining a one-person operation has been the right approach," Engelhardt added. "For other shops, the business opportunity grew to involve more people -- either within the business or from outside. 'The seller' is now more accurately referred to as 'the shop,' meaning all the people within the business, not just a singular shop owner."

Etsy allows multiple individuals to sell wares on a single shop account under its rules as long as the majority share of their items' creation is done at one physical space where at least one Etsy account holder is supervising. That means an Etsy seller can pay a team of employees, so long as they all work together under one roof.

Sellers on Etsy can even employ "assistants" to do work on their items outside their place of business so long as the assistants' work does not collectively "comprise a majority share of a handmade item's creation."

Despite Etsy's attempts to clarify and better enforce its rules, some users still fear that Etsy's fast-growing marketplace will cease to serve as a haven for truly independent designers, ultimately hurting craftspeople who don't have the resources to scale up their operation.

"What I fear is this wonderful marketplace that is supported on a huge cloud of little people will leave us all behind as it goes to this next level," one commenter recently wrote in an Etsy forum. "We cannot compete with mass production when it's under that same banner."

"It now seems to me that Etsy wants to stretch its umbrella so as not to lose the companies that have outgrown it," another forum commenter noted.

The number of Etsy users and the value of sales that it facilitates have indeed grown by leaps and bounds in recent years. As of mid-April, the site reported 15 million members, a rise from 3.8 million in 2009. Last year, goods worth $537.6 million changed hands on the platform, a spike of 71 percent from 2010. That pace of growth has largely kept up this year. The value of goods sold on Etsy in March was $62.8 million, which is 41.5 percent higher than the value of goods sold last March.

Etsy charges sellers 20 cents to list an item for four months and takes a 3.5 percent commission on sales made through the site.

The company does not release its revenue figures to the public. But according to a TechCrunch analysis of Etsy's business model, the company generates revenue that is roughly 12 percent of the value of goods sold on its site. So if the company's sales in March are representative of the monthly average for this year, Etsy will generate an estimated $90 million in revenue in 2012.

As it has grown, Etsy has built a vocal community tracking its marketplace through the company's blog, which has also given rise to several other amateur Etsy blogs. Such engagement by users has at times magnified minor slipups by the company.

A series of online comments last week accused Etsy of featuring on its site a mass-produced brand of wooden furniture. Etsy issued an apology, noting that it had failed to include critical information in its original description of the seller, including the fact that the furniture maker was working with four other carpenters.

"We know that the lines we’re walking -- to protect what makes Etsy special but allow our members’ businesses to flourish -- are tricky," Engelhardt wrote on the company blog.

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09:30 PM on 02/18/2013
I was a good seller with Etsy for a year and a half before Etsy's true colors showed. What Etsy is engaging in these days can only be compared to a witch hunt. I get the whole concept of Etsy, and my store fits right into that. I have always followed Etsy policies, been a good seller, paid my bills...the whole nine yards. But Etsy shut my shop down regardless of these facts. Etsy's so called "investigators" do not investigate anything prior to closing a shop. They simply make accusations against shop owners and then expect the shop owners to prove their innocence against outrageous accusations all while their shop is forced closed with out warning and without any evidence to support their claims. You can read my story of what happen to my Etsy shop here: http://www.blissfulmondays.com/2013/02/14/307/ It is an eye opener!
09:43 AM on 05/07/2012
I have been a seller on Etsy since 2007! Each year it becomes more difficult then the year before to even get noticed. I am truly a handmade one woman operation. I hope I can continue to make a profit but I do not have high hopes. Collectives will become mass produced imho. So for small shops like me , it will soon be the end of the road. UNLESS, Etsy goes back to its original business model and tries harder to keep to its core business values. But I have no delusions
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dreamsugar
05:38 PM on 05/04/2012
HA -- ok -- so the Admins deleted what I had to say.... WOW talk about being up Etsy's butt. What a horrible article! It completely misses the point and only tells the story from Etsy's side.... My word - bad reporting - fire this dude!
07:55 AM on 04/30/2012
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Sara Lira
Baby Girl due Sept. 16 :)
08:13 PM on 04/29/2012
Regretsy
04:47 PM on 04/29/2012
I say Hip-Hip-Horay for Etsy! Keep struggling to keep it "Real"! Yes there is a fine line, people will always push the lines, it is up to the Company to Police it when they go too far! More power to the People, turn 'em in folks! If you know someone is violating, jump in and make some noise!
marinade
Not if a pipeline will break, but when.
11:21 AM on 04/29/2012
It's pretty easy to tell the mass produced stuff. There is so much of it that the website is cumbersome and hard to use.
12:04 PM on 12/13/2012
I looked on Etsy as a possible seller of my handmade items but I was mystified in what looked like factory made items. As someone who loves to work with my hands to create something, I was very discouraged to see that and I thought to myself how can I compete with their inventory and prices?
11:07 PM on 04/28/2012
http://wapminh.com/iwin/iwin.html like it
07:53 PM on 04/28/2012
I have been selling on etsy since 2006 and as of the last couple of years seen my sales continue to drop. Everytime their people would tinker with the search engines sales went down. I used to be a daily seller! Meanwhile their revenue increases and the items being sold are starting to just blend together. Frustration is what I feel most of the time...do I stay or do I go? I've built a "following" of loyal customers but as I wander my section I see bead sellers (I make handmade glass beads) that I know have a staff of people that make beads as well as list and do all of the things a person needs to do to make it on etsy. What to do?
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Shawn Longino
04:01 AM on 04/29/2012
hello neighbor! My sister is using these two:
Zibbit.com
craftisart.com

Or I can set up a shop for you on your own domain if you want.
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Shawn Longino
04:12 AM on 04/29/2012
In fact-- zibbit has an importer from etsy, to make it even easier. And you can let your clients know.
marinade
Not if a pipeline will break, but when.
11:34 AM on 04/29/2012
zibbet not zibbit
09:00 AM on 04/28/2012
I've bought stuff on etsy & I am disgusted at etsy's recent conduct.

Many of my friends are Artists & Artisans, & I know how hard it is for them.

I also care about where my money goes - my actions have consequences, & this includes where I spend my cash.

Of huge concern to me, & many other buyers - is that etsy supports resellers - resellers who employ under paid sweatshop workers in developing nations.
Workers with no rights who live & work in appalling conditions.
Etsy is activley deceptive about this, while using genuine makers & sellers to give the storefront an ethical & wholesome image.
Knowing that we are buying in an ethical environment is why we've shopped on etsy.

Etsy has branded itself as a storefront with a concience & a place where where makers are respected. Exactly the opposite is true.
Stores can be arbitarilly shut down for no reason - causing real hardship - while blatant resellers & the possibly criminal who have flagrantly broken etsy rules, are protected.

Etsy is behaving like the worst kind of corporate bully, censoring dissent & ignoring the real concerns & questions of unhappy members (check out the etsy forums; check out regretsy).

Etsy has used words with precise, real meaning, distorted & "re-purposed" them in order to manipulate, mislead & cover up.
Two of these being 'handmade' & 'collective'.
This is reminiscent of big brother in Orwell's 'Nineteen Eighty Four' - doublethought, newspeak & memory hole.
08:07 AM on 04/28/2012
After selling on Etsy for quite some time, my husband and I got disgusted with the direction it was going and it looks like it has continued down this slope into becoming another mass market import supporting site...sad really. There are some start up sites that are focusing on handmade and you can speak with your money. We started www.HandmadeArtists.com and are determined to create a truly handmade marketplace where the artists and their work are center stage. Even if you don't want to join the shop...there is an open forum where your comments are free to discuss everything from crafting, to art, to life with like minded, creative people.

You can speak louder with your money as Etsy has proven that they really don't care what the little artist in their shop has to say but instead only cares for the bottom line that the big importers can bring in.
07:52 AM on 04/28/2012
Etsy has always touted itself as "a place where people can make a living making things". As someone earlier pointed out, it's hard to really "quit your day job" when you have to make everything yourself, photograph it, describe it well and promote it. You don't own the business, the business owns you.

Most buyers really don't care if the item is handmade, they want something that looks handmade/original/unique but they're also interested in getting the most bang for their buck. That is always true and in this economy it's more true than ever.

Due to their sellers' efforts over the past 7 years, quirky PR and many tens of millions of dollars in VC money, Etsy has become a destination site. The up side is that there is a lot of traffic. The down sides are: little to distinguish one shop from another, they all sort of blend together. The navigation is circuitous, counter-intuitive, as is their very bizarre search engine. Fees for low priced goods can run very high. Their SEO causes the general site search to come up on search engines before individual items: sellers are more dependent on the internal traffic. Handmade items are promoted far more than vintage or supplies so a spotlight like being their FS can make a seller into an overnight success.

It's easy to understand why, in that environment, disallowing commercial items is so important to sellers. I'm glad I left and went to ArtFire.com years ago.
04:44 AM on 04/28/2012
Etsy promoted an obvious reseller as the featured seller.

This was not because they didn't do their research as they have claimed.
"Ecologica Malibu" is the "handmade" seller.
Store opened Nov 2011
Items listed: 217. Only 6 months and she made nearly 300 pieces of wood furniture.
70 sales.

I'm guessing the average sale is about $500. They made 3.5% x 35,000 = $1,225
They didn't promote her because she has a good story. It's because they're making a lot of $ off her.

They (Etsy staff) do this for a living. There is no way in hell you could think this was a handmade vendor. If they claim they thought she was making her own furnature they are LYING to hide their own greed.
04:26 AM on 04/28/2012
We have been selling (our own) hand crafted art on Etsy for about 5 years now.

The REAL rules for handmade are as follows:
IF YOU SELL A LOT, THEY DON'T CARE IF ITS HANDMADE.
If you are small change, they'll shut you down without hesitation. If you have over 1,000 sales, they are making a money off you and they will not shut you down. If you complain about a cheater, Etsy will threaten YOU and the cheater still doesn't get shut down.

There are thousands of Etsy stores selling cheap imported factory crafts bought off Alibaba. Search "owl pendant" on Etsy and Aliexpress and see how many items you can match.

A company that will gross almost $100 million this year has no doubt spent a few bucks calculating how much revenue comes from the cheaters and if you've looked on Etsy it's insane how many cheaters are thriving and not getting kicked off. Do you think they want to give up 10 or 20 million by cutting off cheaters?

Here are some wonderful examples of etsy "handmade"
http://www.regretsy.com/category/not-remotely-handmade/
(warning: Regretsy is funny, crude, vulgar and profane. Not for the easily offended)

Handmade on Etsy? It's a joke. Call it "Handmade and Cheap Factory imports"
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Scholastica8
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12:19 PM on 04/28/2012
Here's a twist on the problem of mass produced items appearing on Etsy..... There have been instances of overseas producers following the success of certain crarfts items (such as jewelry) on Etsy, then going into cheaper quality mass production. There are few legal protections for artisan goods. The original creator and seller of the item is left in the dust... and if they continue to sell, they are sometimes then accused of buying mass produced goods and selling them as crafts.

So the problem has multiple facets.
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ForwardLeaningWoman
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01:25 AM on 04/28/2012
I sold there for almost 6 years.

Etsy's handmade movement has moved, it has shifted and no amount of fighting, petitions or campaigns for change will change it back. Etsy of 2005-2006-2007-2008... is gone. Make the best of it as it is now, or not.

In my view, this shift was to be expected.