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Protesters At Party Conventions Could Be Armed Because Of Concealed Weapons Laws

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TAMARA LUSH and MITCH WEISS   04/27/12 04:54 PM ET  AP

TAMPA, Florida — The thousands of protesters expected at the Democratic and Republican national conventions can come armed with a lot more than signs and slogans: State law in Florida and North Carolina allows concealed weapons, including guns.

In Tampa, where the Republicans will hold their festivities this fall, officials are starting to worry about people toting guns in such a politically charged environment. The City Council voted Thursday to ask Republican Gov. Rick Scott to help them temporarily ban concealed weapons. Charlotte officials have yet to publically voice concern, but with both cities trying to balance public safety with First and Second Amendment rights, it's likely the host city for the Democratic convention will also have to address the issue.

The Tampa City Council wants Scott to issue an executive order, preventing people with concealed weapons permits from carrying guns.

"We believe it is necessary and prudent to take this reasonable step to prevent a potential tragedy," council member Lisa Montelione said in a draft letter to Scott.

Tampa city leaders have already proposed a host of banned items (lumber, hatchets, gas masks, chains and "super soaker" water cannons) – but they are prevented from outlawing concealed guns.

Tampa Mayor Bob Buckhorn said the state law has made the city "look silly," particularly because officials can ban water guns but not real ones.

"We're kind of constrained by the state law," he said.

The issue is a more complicated in Charlotte. The city in January adopted an ordinance allowing it to set up "extraordinary event zones" – designated areas where people won't be allowed to carry backpacks and other items.

The city wanted to ban guns in those zones. State law, though, allows people to carry concealed weapons – unless they're at a parade or protest.

"The zone is going to be far bigger than a demonstration area. So if I have a demonstration that marches us down main street, but the extraordinary event zone covers all of downtown, what about the area outside the demonstration? That's the piece that been hitting us here," said Mark Newbold, an attorney with the Charlotte police department.

Tens of thousands of delegates, journalists and political junkies will stream into the mid-sized cities for the multi-day conventions. Republicans hold their event at the Tampa Bay Times Arena Aug. 27-30. The Democrats' party is a week later at the Time Warner Cable Arena. Inside the arenas, the Secret Service has banned civilians from carrying guns.

Both cities have hosted large gatherings before – Tampa has held four Super Bowls and Charlotte has entertained the Atlantic Coast Conference basketball tournament and the National Rifle Association convention – but neither has really experienced an event such as this.

In the past 50 years, political conventions have become a magnet for protesters, and they have sometimes turned ugly.

In 1968, demonstrators tried to disrupt the Democratic National Convention in Chicago. Scenes of police clashing with protesters on the streets played on TV screens in living rooms across America. Four years later, anti-war demonstrators disrupted the Republican National Convention in Miami Beach.

More recently, thousands of protesters descended on St. Paul, Minnesota, in 2008, when the city hosted the Republican National Convention. Some demonstrators smashed cars, punctured tires and threw bottles in a confrontation with pepper-spray-wielding police. Hundreds of people were arrested over a few days.

"Everything we are doing is based on something that happened at another convention or another national security event," Tampa City Attorney Jim Shimberg said.

The federal government has given $50 million each to Charlotte and Tampa to help them pay for new security-related equipment, training and officer salaries.

Tampa is proposing a "Clean Zone" protest area with portable toilets, water, a stage and a microphone for protesters. Outside that area, people will be allowed to march down an official parade route as long as they have a permit.

The exact location of the protest zones and security perimeter will be decided by the city commission in the coming weeks.

Joyce Hamilton Henry, the director of the mid-Florida office of the American Civil Liberties Union, said her organization is concerned about protests that will be limited to 60 minutes, and a ban on masks.

"We feel it's totally unrealistic, especially if groups are coming in with large numbers," Hamilton Henry said.

The Tampa Police Department is expected to rotate most of its 1,000-officer force into convention security during the event, which could draw up to 45,000 people. An additional 3,000 officers from other agencies around the state will help.

The Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department plans to add 2,400 to 3,400 officers from outside departments to its force of more than 1,750.

For the convention there, a coalition of groups has formed because they said they are angry the city has refused to share information about where they can gather.

The Coalition to Protest at the DNC has threatened to gather without permits, and promised a massive demonstration Sept. 2 in what they call the Wall Street of the South. The groups promised the demonstrations will be peaceful.

Charlotte, a city of 760,000 people, is home to Bank of America Corp., one of the nation's largest banks.

"This is something we have to do. They can't stop our right to protest," said Ben Carroll, a coalition spokesman.

Members of the coalition said they're still angry about how police in February disbanded an Occupy Charlotte tent city on the lawn outside the old City Hall. Protesters had been camped there since October.

The move came one week after Charlotte adopted the extraordinary event ordinance, which gave police more power to stop and search people when the convention comes to town

The city said it has the right to restrict demonstrations, but wants to be fair to protesters. So the city has added a "speakers' platform," a location with microphones and amplification equipment.

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Mitch Weiss contributed from Charlotte, N.C.

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sackman
I am Jaguar Paw
10:59 AM on 05/04/2012
The Democrats convention should be weapons free. This isnt a shooting party. Its a gathering of like minded persons electing a leader for the country. If you want to shoot something do it somewhere else........................Obama 2012.....
11:15 AM on 05/06/2012
When you can guarantee that violent criminals will not carry, then I may consider not carrying. Otherwise, no uncontrolled area can be considered "weapons free".
06:49 PM on 05/02/2012
Failing to see how this is news. It's a given, and has been that way for 5 decades. I attend political rallies and protests all the time, and am always armed, as are many of the people around me. It's never a big deal as it's not illegal in most states. In fact, I've met two Presidents and two Vice-Presidents, as well as many officials and other important people all while armed. It's never been an issue.
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hagagaga
You can't take the sky from me.
09:29 PM on 05/01/2012
I don't see a problem with this.
SFnomad
They only call it class warfare when we fight back
07:22 PM on 05/01/2012
I'm really looking forward to seeing the pretzel logic Republicans use to explain how they're for concealed carry laws, except for around the Republican National Convention.
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JimInHouston
Arma virumque cano...
11:14 PM on 05/01/2012
Boy will you be surprised if they don't object.
01:39 AM on 05/02/2012
I don't see where in the article it says Republicans are opposed to concealed carry laws around the RNC. Just that the Tampa city council is trying to do an end-run around the state laws.
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RevJimIII
Grin and Barret...
07:08 PM on 05/01/2012
I have carried at all sorts of political events.. what is the issue?
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ditto head
Grateful Dad
09:19 AM on 05/02/2012
And why Rev Jim would you need a gun?
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David Carson
01:39 PM on 05/02/2012
because it is his right to do so
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RevJimIII
Grin and Barret...
05:07 PM on 05/02/2012
I have many reasons, but since it is a RIGHT, I don't have to justify the exercise of it. I have at times had a firearm for the following activities; defense, competition, hunting, investment.. sometimes you just get a good deal.
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1rpp
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07:48 PM on 04/30/2012
I'm looking forward to this one.
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LJ P
aut viam inveniam aut faciam
06:25 PM on 04/30/2012
Sure!!! let's temporarily suspend the constitution and State law while the convention happens. that makes sense. In order to have our political system happen as designed, we must step on the the laws of the land. The carry permit holders are the least likely to use their weapon illegally. That is shown indisputably by the statistics. This is just silly and will never happen.
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rikilii
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
12:32 PM on 04/30/2012
During the 2008 election, thousands and thousands of protesters and attendees at political events were NOT shot by people legally carrying weapons.
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Patriot 70
08:10 AM on 04/30/2012
The Secret Service a few weeks ago have already said that they will not allow any weapons into the conventions - against state law. But when do the feds really care about state law or people's rights?
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LJ P
aut viam inveniam aut faciam
06:26 PM on 04/30/2012
IF you can supply proof of that I can supply legal action against it.
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Patriot 70
09:00 PM on 04/30/2012
There were news stories about them refusing entrance to the convention if you are armed. I did look for the stories, but was unable to find them now.
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ghkusa
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
09:58 AM on 04/28/2012
Protesters won't be "Armed Because Of Concealed Weapons Laws"; if armed, they'll be armed because they possess weapons.

When Chicago had the strictest gun laws in the US, it had among the highest of violent crime rates -- clearly not "because of" laws allowing gun ownership or concealed carry. Likewise, the murderous Haymarket bombing, the Bath, Michigan school bombing (45 killed), and more recent events weren't caused "because" bombs were legalized.

Are we to believe that those willing to shoot, kill, and injure people would scrupulously obey gun ownership and possession laws? Given the criminal, violent and irrational conduct of many Occupy protesters (not to mention the violent leftists who disrupted the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago, etc.), why think that such anarchists and ultra-leftists respect any laws or limits whatsoever? Same for nuts like Bill Ayers, Tim McVeigh, et al.
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01:39 AM on 05/02/2012
Well said.
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ghkusa
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
10:13 AM on 05/02/2012
Thank you very much!
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OCerInTN
Hoplophobics worst nightmare.
05:57 AM on 04/28/2012
The people who would be protesting at either (or both) of these conventions are the ones that Obama is counting on to vote for him at the polls. These people would never harm a single soul, let alone carry a gun! (Oh, that is sarcasm)

On a side note, concealment isn't a requirement in NC.
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PatrickforO
America needs a Labor Party
01:44 AM on 04/28/2012
I hope the Secret Service has this prostitute thing out of their system, because they're gonna have to be on high alert - in BOTH conventions.

Because divisive, polarized politics and concealed weapons don't really mix.

Hey, I've got an idea: NRA, since you're such an effective lobby, why don't you work toward having Congress ensure companies like Verizon and Wells Fargo pay their fair share of taxes, eliminating the Bush tax cuts, strengthening social security and medicare at the expense of the gross military bloat. And, hey, lots of people dying in the drug wars down in Mexico - might be a good idea to pressure the government to legalize marijuana and tax it!

What?

No, not under any circumstances?

What do you mean you think I'm crazy?
05:52 AM on 04/28/2012
The NRA only cares about enriching gun manufacturers, twisting the Constitution and pushing their bloody agenda into law.
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
04:45 PM on 04/28/2012
Your established history of dishonesty disqualifies you as a credible source of information.
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wolflover3825
Hungry Like the Wolf.
09:48 PM on 04/30/2012
This message has been posted by SSDD Broken Records. We post until you're sick of it, then we keep posting just to make sure. Remember, it's all about your discomfort, not truth.
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
04:47 PM on 04/28/2012
The National  Rifle Association exists to advocate civilian firearm ownership freedoms.  While I acknowledge that they have, recently, become too visibly partisan in their activities, your suggested advocacy is outside of the scope of their purpose.
04:27 AM on 04/29/2012
The NRA exists to enrich gun manufacturers and put a gun in anyone's hand. Their tyrannical in their deadly destruction of our freedom. They exist to cultivate fear that they use for their own agenda.
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l78lancer
Wisdom is the principal thing
09:59 PM on 04/27/2012
Don't worry about it. Just stand your ground.
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l78lancer
Wisdom is the principal thing
09:57 PM on 04/27/2012
"In Tampa, where the Republicans will hold their festivities this fall, officials are starting to worry about people toting guns in such a politically charged environment. The City Council voted Thursday to ask Republican Gov. Rick Scott to help them temporarily ban concealed weapons."
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Surely they can't be worried about their own laws or people maintaining their 2nd Amendment right? Why the concern now? If they have to consider temporarily suspending the law, then the law is stupid.
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1rpp
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07:46 PM on 04/30/2012
uh huh
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blackraisin
Life, Liberty, Property.
08:46 PM on 04/27/2012
"State law in Florida and North Carolina allows concealed weapons, including guns."

Don't 49 out of 50 states allow concealed weapons? Kind of a misleading quote.
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DeceptionIsReality
Ignorance is bliss, go back to sleep
11:41 PM on 04/27/2012
Indeed. I guess it would depend on the ease of getting said permit. In Florida it is very easy to get a concealed weapons permit. For the other states I have no idea.
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
12:36 AM on 04/28/2012
Most states in the United States of America issue permits on a "shall-issue" basis: any individual who completes a training course and who is not legally ineligible to hold a concealed weapons permit (typically, states only disqualify individuals who are federally prohibited from carrying firearms or who are under twenty-one years of age) will be issued a permit upon submission of an application.  Only a minority of states allow for government discretion to disallow permits from otherwise qualified applicants.
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hagagaga
You can't take the sky from me.
09:34 PM on 05/01/2012
In 40 states, you just have to be able to legally purchase a firearm and possibly go through a few hours of training. In California, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Maryland, and a few other states, the chief law enforcement officer of your county or city has to sign off (so it's usually given as a reward from the sheriff for campaign contributions or something). In Hawaii, you have to be a security guard, police officer, or prosecutor and get the law enforcement signature. In Illinois, you can't carry at all outside of Pike County, and in Vermont, there has never been any mention of carrying a firearm in any law.
01:41 AM on 05/02/2012
Yes. But to shed some light on the poor writing in the article, Florida and North Carolina also have laws preventing municipalities from restricting carry in certain places. That is to say the law says that only the state can make laws about where guns can be carried, and local jurisdictions can't make them more strict.

A lot of states don't have this, which is called "state preemption".
06:36 AM on 05/02/2012
Only 5 states expressly deny preemption. Two more are conditional. 42 have some level of preemption. Just happens that preemption was my first journal published piece. 8-)