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House Votes To Cut Census Survey Done Since Thomas Jefferson

Posted: 05/09/2012 8:27 pm Updated: 05/09/2012 11:11 pm

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Rep. Daniel Webster, author of the measure to eliminate the census American Community Survey.

WASHINGTON –- The House voted Wednesday to eliminate the detailed surveys of America that have been conducted by the Census Bureau since the nation’s earliest days.

House Republicans, increasingly suspicious of the census generally, advanced a measure to cut the American Community Survey. It passed 232 to 190.

The survey is not part of the constitutionally mandated population count, but some version of it has been done by law as part of the decennial survey since the time of Thomas Jefferson to assess the needs of the nation. It’s generally considered a vital tool for business.

Republicans, acknowledging its usefulness, attacked the survey as an unconstitutional invasion of privacy, arguing that the government has no business knowing how many flush toilets someone has, for instance.

“It would seem that these questions hardly fit the scope of what was intended or required by the Constitution,” said Rep. Daniel Webster (R-Fla.), author of the amendment.

“This survey is inappropriate for taxpayer dollars,” Webster added. “It’s the definition of a breach of personal privacy. It’s the picture of what's wrong in Washington, D.C. It's unconstitutional.”

The survey used to be done every 10 years, along with the census, when 1 out of 6 Americans were required to answer the so-called “long form.” But the administration of President George W. Bush reformed the process in 2005 to do an annual survey of 250,000 households, making the survey more manageable, cheaper and more timely.

Democrats were perplexed by the move, which would deprive policymakers and businesses of vast, vital troves of data that they use to make decisions,

“The Republicans have earned a reputation as the ‘do-nothing party’ and now they want to also be the ‘know-nothing party,’ “ said Rep. Carolyn Maloney after the vote. “This vote repeals the work done by Presidents Clinton, Bush, and Obama and six Congresses to modernize the census, and does so without even a hearing or full debate.”

Rep. Chaka Fattah (D-Pa.), who ran the floor debate for Democrats, seemed especially vexed.

“We've been doing surveys in the long form since 1790 as a nation," Fattah said, referring to the time when Thomas Jefferson oversaw the census. "It's critically important. The idea that we're going to leave the greatest country in the world with less information about the condition of communities and of our families -- and that we're going to do that appropriately -- defies logic.”

It was one of two attacks Wednesday on the census. Earlier, the House passed by voice vote a measure to bar the federal government from enforcing penalties against people who refuse to fill out the longer survey.

“I think it's important to have the information, but it's important that people have freedom and liberty and we do not have an intrusive federal government that would impose a fine on people if they didn't let the information come out about whether they had a flush toilet,” said Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa).

It is unlikely that the Senate would pass such a measure, but it also could be attached to other legislation, as the House GOP has managed before with measures the Senate does not like. Webster said his cut would save $2.4 billion.

Michael McAuliff covers politics and Congress for The Huffington Post. Talk to him on Facebook.

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WASHINGTON –- The House voted Wednesday to eliminate the detailed surveys of America that have been conducted by the Census Bureau since the nation’s earliest days. House Republicans, increasin...
WASHINGTON –- The House voted Wednesday to eliminate the detailed surveys of America that have been conducted by the Census Bureau since the nation’s earliest days. House Republicans, increasin...
 
 
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confuseddemocrat 10:30 AM on 05/10/2012
Republicans, acknowledging its usefulness, attacked the survey as an unconstitutional invasion of privacy, arguing that the government has no business knowing how many flush toilets someone has, for instance.
Let us analyze  that ridiculous argument for a moment.  "The government has no business knowing how many flush toilets someone  Read More...

Water is THE premium resource. 

Some states out West, in the Midwest and in the South are fighting over water rights and the use of rivers (NV and CA  controversy over the use of Colorado River comes to mind).  Even the Keystone pipeline controversy involves water right issues.

It might behoove the federal government to know what  are the water demands of different regions so that it may be able to mediate fights among states as well as  allocate appropriate resources for improving or building  water delivery, conservation  and sewage systems. Moreover, the information could be used to predict future Water needs of the  nation.

The lack of appropriate water resource allocation could lead to shortages, public health crises and thus imperil our nation.  

And I do believe the federal government does have a constitutional mandate to ensure the general welfare.

JUST SAYIN'
07:23 PM on 04/15/2013
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11:22 AM on 11/07/2012
This is really interesting! There job has to so difficult. They would have been smarter to just work in real estate in stamford ct. Actually probably not because of how bad the economy is now.
05:44 PM on 10/02/2012
You wouldn't be pooh poohing this if you actually got one of these surveys. No, do don't need to know where I work or how much I make-talk to the IRS. No you don't need to know if I can clean my funky old hide-unless of course you're really cute then I wouldn't mind half as much.
06:29 PM on 09/07/2012
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08:26 PM on 06/26/2012
ACS
good riddance..........
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dbrett480
07:30 PM on 05/31/2012
It's amazing what the Republicans will make into a controversy.
06:47 PM on 05/25/2012
Haha! It REALLY is Bush's fault this time!

"George W. Bush reformed the process in 2005 to do an annual survey of 250,000 households, making the survey more manageable, cheaper and more timely."

Tyrants! The whole lot of them.
06:34 PM on 05/25/2012
Silly Republicans. Trying to protect people's individual liberty and uphold the 4th Amendment of the Constitution.

What will they think of next?
Tara Hunkoff
I could have been Sheila Noyeau
11:10 PM on 05/17/2012
Is there no limit to the GOP's pandering to fools?

The ACS-isn't-mentioned-in-the-Constitution argument falls flat, since the "elastic clause" clearly makes such things allowable. Not to mention that plenty of other things weren't mentioned either: like the National Science Foundation for starters. Should we abolish it too?

ACS response is voluntary. This means no one's privacy is being "invaded". Don't even get me started on how the GOP conveniently forgets privacy when it come to gay marriage or women's reproductive choices.

It is illegal for ANY CENSUS REPORT, ACS INCLUDED, to report any response that could allow deduction of someone's identity.

The very laws that GOP members voted for in the last 100 years contain language that requires the use of Census data to support expenditures in many programs.

I starrted my first little shop years ago by digging through printed Census tables in the 1970s to determine where to locate. Oh, Big Bad Census Table User me!

The GOP has devolved into something worse than most people can even imagine. As crazy as they act, they keep finding ways to act crazier. I don't see how anyone can take them seriously, but millions of people do. It's very troubling.
06:27 PM on 05/25/2012
Under what authority can the federal government compel me to answer the questions on the ACS?

I feel strongly that to do so is a violation of the 4th Amendment.
Tara Hunkoff
I could have been Sheila Noyeau
07:35 PM on 05/25/2012
The so-called "elastic clause" provides that authority, as I said in the second paragraph of my previous post.
 
I did a 9th Grade Civics class report on it, which remains unpublished to this day, much to my amazement.
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BlueCollarChick
Be the person your dog thinks you are.
10:25 PM on 06/06/2012
I'm about a month too late for this debate, but I was doing a search and came across this welcome news that the census workers will never again bother me. I figured they just gave up, but now I see that they no longer have jobs! I was one of the unlucky ones that received the ACS survey in the mail in the winter. It was intrusive, so I simply didn't fill it out. Then my bell started ringing ... I was told that the survey was absolutely mandatory. I still refused.

I am VERY liberal with most issues, however, when it comes to my privacy, I want both Dems and Reps to butt out. This survey didn't just ask race, age, gender, or other generic questions ... they wanted to know my specific nationality breakdown, how much I paid for utilities, what time I left for work, (so a stranger can know when no one is home??? No thanks!) how many flushable toilets I have, and my exact income!

The gov't assures you of privacy, but if you Google "Census Bureau Loses Hundreds of Laptops", you will see that there is a lot of lost data somewhere out there! Also, people should keep in mind that it was the Census Bureau that gave up the names of Japanese-Americans in WWII so they could be rounded up. It's not paranoia on my part, we're talking real privacy concerns!

Thank you for understanding the Constitution, Hugh!
03:59 PM on 07/11/2012
A voice of reason. Thanks.
03:33 PM on 05/16/2012
Think about how many industries/jobs this vote will affect: Insurance, Actuaries, Developers, Engineers, Land Use Planners, Lawyers, Non-profits, Contractors, Farmers, the list goes on... . We need the data more than the insignificant amount privacy we will gain.
05:20 PM on 06/10/2012
Tell that to the 1940 European Jews....Oh, you can't........
12:53 PM on 05/16/2012
They do not want Americans to know what change is going on with the data that it collects and what it probably is is that this data is looking infavorable upone republicans and the population is changes which would involve redistricting of elected officials which could essentially cost them their seats in office in the near future.
Tara Hunkoff
I could have been Sheila Noyeau
11:15 PM on 05/17/2012
Redistricting is done in reliance on the 100% Count via something called PL 94-171 (Google it if you want to geek out on this topic :-) not ACS, so that is not a factor is their opposition.
01:03 PM on 05/15/2012
Hey, just like in Canada! The Harper-crites got rid of our Census, and are now gutting Statistics Canada and hobbling all scientific publication and the CBC. "Truth is the enemy of all lies"....remember someone in WWII said that...and he weren't on OUR side...
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ThomasMc
Christian morality is an oxymoron.
10:34 AM on 05/14/2012
Conservatives think Ignorance = Holiness.
12:23 PM on 05/12/2012
My first reaction? Oh God...and I don't even believe in god.
04:12 PM on 05/23/2012
You must be a Democrat
05:09 PM on 05/23/2012
Actually I am not. But thank you for playing.
10:28 AM on 05/12/2012
Wow -- & here I thought my "number of flush toilets" was a big secret. It's *definitely* not publicly available information, right?? ;)