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Greece Nears 'Moment Of Truth' As Coalition Talks Fall Apart

Reuters  |  Posted: 05/13/2012 11:45 am


By Lefteris Papadimas and Harry Papachristou


ATHENS, May 13 (Reuters) - Greek political leaders on Sunday ignored a final plea from the president to form a coalition government to avert a repeat election, pushing the debt-stricken nation closer to bankruptcy and a possible exit from the euro zone.

Leaders of the three biggest parties met at the presidential mansion for a final attempt to bridge their differences, but the talks quickly hit an impasse as they traded accusations on a deeply unpopular bailout package tied to harsh spending cuts.

Conservative leader Antonis Samaras, who finished first in last week's election, pinned the blame on the far-left SYRIZA party, which flatly rules out backing a pro-bailout coalition with Samaras's New Democracy and Socialist PASOK parties.

"They are not asking for agreement, they are asking us to be their partners in crime and we will not be their accomplices," said Alexis Tsipras, who has become an overnight sensation since leading SYRIZA to a surprise second place in the vote.

The other leader at the morning talks - Socialist leader Evangelos Venizelos - said he was holding on to hopes that a deal could still be salvaged, but warned time was running out.

"Despite the impasse at the meeting we had with the president, I hold on to some limited optimism that a government can be formed," said Venizelos, whose PASOK party finished a humiliating third in the election, a shadow of its former might.

"The moment of truth has come. We either form a government or we go to elections."

Both New Democracy and PASOK - which have taken turns in ruling Greece for nearly four decades and jointly negotiated a bailout that requires deep cuts in wages, pensions and spending - are eager to avoid facing the voters again.

Polls since the election show the balance of power tipping even further towards opponents of the bailout, who were divided among several small parties but now appear to be rallying behind Tsipras, a 37-year-old ex-Communist student leader.

Tsipras has injected a dose of enthusiasm into the squabbling left and offered hope to millions of austerity-weary Greeks by promising to rip up the bailout deal without abandoning the euro, saying Europe cannot afford to cut Greece loose.

European leaders have retorted that the country will not get new loans to stay afloat if it fails to honour its pledges, while banks and some companies like travel operator Kuoni have begun to prepare for a Greek exit from the eurozone.

But Greek voters remain unfazed. Indeed, they are expected to hand SYRIZA a first-place finish in a new election, winning the party an automatic extra 50 seats at the expense of Samaras.


ELECTIONS AGAIN

President Karolos Papoulias now meets the small parties that made it parliament from 1630 GMT onwards in a last-ditch bid to stitch together some form of a "national unity" government.

His final hope rests with the small Democratic Left party led by lawyer Fotis Kouvelis, which could provide enough seats to form a government with New Democracy and PASOK. But it says it will not do so unless the coalition also includes SYRIZA.

Papoulias' list of meetings also include the far right Golden Dawn, which made it parliament for the first time in its history on an anti-immigrant and anti-politician platform.

In one of the unfolding drama's many sub-plots, Greeks will watch with interest to see how the president, a revered 82-year-old veteran of the World War II anti-Nazi resistance, receives a group whose members give Nazi-style salutes.

The constitution sets no deadline for Papoulias to complete his search for a deal and he has given no indication how long he will spend trying before he calls a new election.

Greeks seem resigned to returning to the polls.

"Why would we believe they'll agree on something? All they care about is being in power and we're sitting here not even able to pay our electricity bills," said Maria Kissou, 53, a corner shop owner in Athens. "Let us go to elections again."

Kissou voted for Tsipras on May 6.

"He's young, I like him because at least he's trying to renegotiate with the Europeans," Kissou said.

Supporters of the two establishment parties will be hoping that if a new election is held, Greeks will be frightened of the prospect of leaving the euro and return to the fold.

Polls show an overwhelming majority of Greeks reject the bailout but want to keep the euro - a position widely regarded as untenable. As many as 78.1 percent want the new government to do whatever it takes to keep their country in the currency, a poll by Kappa Research for To Vima daily showed.

In a sign of the shifting mood in Europe towards Greece, Germany's influential Der Spiegel magazine suggested an exit from the euro zone may now be the best option in a front-page

Its front page headline read: "Acropolis, Adieu! Why Greece must leave the euro."

"The Greeks were never ripe for the currency union and they still are not today," the German magazine wrote in an editorial.

"Only an exit of Greece from the euro zone gives the country a chance in the long term to get back on its feet."

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Susan Shaffer
watching you...
03:21 PM on 05/15/2012
try this exercise on how to solve Greece's problems

http://crookedtimber.org/2012/02/16/so-what-would-your-plan-for-greece-be/
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Brent Christiansen
09:30 AM on 05/15/2012
California, is Americas Greece.
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Southern Cali Native84
Waitin' 4 the race-istG.O.Pgeneration 2d+i+e off
03:22 PM on 05/15/2012
I think you're just jealous that you don't live here, let alone, can't afford it. Which dusty, dead-beat state do you live in?
09:35 PM on 05/14/2012
Greece is facing a terrible choice that may be made for them - not by a person or a nation but by market forces.

Eventually they may recover. But inflation will take off like a rocket. Savings will become worthless. Greece will be shut out of the world economy for at least a couple of years.

Of course the situation is already very bad. But default produces inflation that can destroy an economy in a matter of weeks.

Argentina - a fundamentally wealthy nation - has been an economic basket case since various governments destroyed what was once one of the world's wealthiest nations starting in the 40s. When they defaulted they lost whatever credibility they still had left and the suffering was incredible.

Greece doesn't have that sort of history. But it will suffer a great deal - even more than they do now.
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Alux
Pull the Wool Over Your Own Eyes!
02:47 AM on 05/15/2012
Argentina exports stuff the world wants to buy.

Greece, well, Greeks get lots of vacation time!
09:04 PM on 05/14/2012
This whole globilization fiasco had turned into nothing but a debt based economy. ok so when will the central planners share and put themselves into debt to become the more sustainable society they preach about. For the conservstives when will they make sacrifices for their grandkids. Giving up their ss and free healthcare. People are being chumped.
08:53 PM on 05/14/2012
Greece has nothing to lose but debt so how is that a bad thing. Russia and thailand defaulted, didnt brazil?
09:29 PM on 05/14/2012
Brazil did not, but Argentina did. Russia did as well as part of the general chaos after the collapse of communism.

It may be inevitable but it will be devastating for Greece. It will become an economic pariah. Inflation will surge and there will be a run on the banks. Living standards - already falling - will collapse.

But - again - it may be inevitable.
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Susan Shaffer
watching you...
03:11 PM on 05/15/2012
and there will be another diasporia
yesiamaconservative
waiting for an intelligent reply ...
06:16 PM on 05/14/2012
Austerity doesn't work ... so let's see how full total economic collapse does ... Hope all you socialists liberals here in the US are watching cause next is spain, then Italy ... maybe France ... there will be an enormous run on all banks for fear that upon default all the banks will close and when they reopen under the local currency massive inflation will occur ...

... the the tsunami will wash across the atlantic to the US - head for high ground NOW ---

You libs. will rue the day you ever said "Austerity doesn't work" ... enjoy the crash and goodbye Obama if there is a silver lining ...
09:32 PM on 05/14/2012
Oh Boo Hiss! All you ever ramble is more conservative nonsense fantasies. The plain fact of the matter is austerity and supply-side economic garbage has now been proven for the umpteenth time now to be an utter failure. If it worked, we wouldn't be here discussing Greece leaving the Euro zone and throwing out the bailout terms now would we? Don't come on here whining about this. Change your garbage philosophy to something that actually works.
yesiamaconservative
waiting for an intelligent reply ...
11:55 PM on 05/14/2012
let's see - Austerity -- tried that for a long weekend -- didn't like it - wanted all my free stuff back ... I liked that much better ... So now we have Chaos - Ah Ha Chaos - that works for you?

Or Socialism ?? One Nation , Under Government, with Socialism and Fairness for
ALL ...

Capitalism never worked did it -- Now OWS - there's a strategy that worked ... uhhh ... if YOU can tell me what strategy that is ... LOL ...

So Capitalism and Free Markets don't work, you'll never allow the SOCIALIST label so that doesn't work - how about tooth fairy or Santa Clause ?? Or make up a new term for Obama's "spending is the solution for everything" ...

Enjoy the next few months and soon it will all just be a very bad nightmare and we can them BLAME OBAMA FOR THE NEXT 8 Years ... LOL ...
yesiamaconservative
waiting for an intelligent reply ...
06:12 PM on 05/14/2012
Game Over Greece -Curious why the topic of tomorrow's €430 million non-Greek law bond maturity payment (which was first pointed out as a D-Day type of cash outflow for the Greek people) is particularly touchy? Simple: if Greece makes the payment it will see its already in the red cash balance drop by another 30% to a sub redline €1 billion. Which would mean the country will likely not pass go and go straight into looting mode once the people realize that some evil, evil hedge fund hold outs (who are doing precisely what they are contractually entitled to, and what we said back in January would be the event that breaks the bank, i.e., holding out) have been paid in full despite the Greek restructuring, while there is no money to pay anything else... Because as Bloomberg points out, "the level of funds in Greece’s state coffers has fallen below 1.5 billion euros ($1.9 billion), Imerisia reported, citing “reliable information.” If the state doesn’t receive predicted revenue for the rest of this month, it will find it difficult to pay for social services, pensions and public-sector wages, the newspaper said." Translation: when the money runs out, it's game over. But it will also be game over if and when Greece either does not want to or does not have the cash to pay tomorrow.

Things are moving fast now.
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billw8017
History looks like this
03:37 PM on 05/14/2012
Can Greece supplement the Euro with government script?

States and cities within the United States have resorted to script at different times...
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Brent Christiansen
01:26 PM on 05/14/2012
We have seen what Obama has brought To American and that is another 5 tillion (1,000 Billion X5) of added debt since he took office, and each day we are adding other 4 billion of new debt that your grand children will have to pay back or default on... and if that were to happen Then all heck will break lose.... The only difference between Greece and the US is that we are much bigger and can print money out of thin air But as the saying goes, the bigger they are, the harder they fall.....
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billw8017
History looks like this
03:47 PM on 05/14/2012
1) Our grand children will treat the debt in the manner that seems most fit to them. The main reason to honor debts is to maintain credit worthiness, but a total reform will sometimes be exactly what it takes to restore credit worthiness.
2) We pay today for what we use today. More money may cause prices to rise until production and consumption are balanced. Banks like unemployment and a recession's tendency to reduce prices. However, you cannot take bread made tomorrow from tomorrow's mouth to eat today.
3) The most likely method of repaying our debts is the same way we pay them now: By devaluing them and reducing the actual value whatever the nominal value. Since 1980, our inflation has been 93% -- that is, all by itself, the amount of debt was reduced to about half.
4) Institutions based in debt actually extend their sway. The European debt of the Napoleonic Wars introduced a century of colonial expansion that was often a method of collecting debts from places like Egypt or North Africa that did not have enough such institutions.
12:50 PM on 05/14/2012
OH my ...Another Republican making no sense .

"We get to see our future under Obama"

Actually guy Obama has a record .... The record is taking the Economy he inherited from the Republicans that had us loosing 700,000 jobs per month, the Economy collapsing, Wall Street on a free fall , two unpaid wars, and tax cuts to pay for the wars (how no one ever found out) .....

And here we have another Amnesiac Republican talking about a future under Obama ...On a Conservative idea that did not work in Europe no less !!

Guy Obama is supposed to be a Liberal, not a Conservative ... We could NOT HAVE THE KIND OF A FUTURE you describe... For that sole reason .

Unless of course you meant the future under Mitt ..
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12:50 PM on 05/14/2012
I didn't know they followed the Obamanomics plan. Go figure.
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ghostoftompaine
02:35 PM on 05/14/2012
who's parameters were largely set by the mess the President Inherited. The banking industry basically shifted their risk on to the American public an idea which was promoted during the Bush mess, and foisted on us at the close of W term. essentially making the U.S. taxpayer the insurer for the 1%. This was not done by President Obama, he is let trying to fix the mess in a lousy bargaining position, essentially fighting against the money which was given to the banks. Get a clue man
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sks504
right is right and left is wrong
11:31 AM on 05/14/2012
We get to see our future under Obama.
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aforbes808
Naked is a state of mind.
11:18 AM on 05/14/2012
.....ashes, ashes, we all fall down, like toy soldiers. Love deeply. Live deliberately. May peace be upon you in your journey.
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Valmiki2
11:11 AM on 05/14/2012
The Democratic Party follows the ideology of Marxism. Strange how I never hear them quoting Marx, Stalin and Socialist Hitler.
12:53 PM on 05/14/2012
That might be because you either need a Brain Scan , or a battery of brain tests .

If we followed the ideology of Marx pal .... Wall Street would not have doubled under Obama ... Or you think Bankers are Marxists now ?

OH why am I asking you .... People like you that have more mouth than brains are precisely the ones we should be ignoring .
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Brent Christiansen
09:29 AM on 05/15/2012
Oh they do, your not listening.
10:14 AM on 05/14/2012
There are question that need answering about Greece . How to put the country back on track in the short term . What were the causes . What policies need to be put in place for a long term recovery. The causes are easy to look at. In short ,it is known today that Goldman/Sacks cooked the books for the Greek goverment . If it were not for this act of fraud ,the problems would have come to ligth a long time ago. It would been address at a time when the world economy was not in a free fall.To put it another way is ,your spouse is handling all the bills . Everyday they tell you everything is fine. Then one day there is a foreclosure notice in the mail.Then your spouse tries to blame you for the mess.This is what has been done to the people of Greece. While the people that were the cause just walk away with bonus pay.
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OzzieTonto
“Hatred, the only thing that lasts.”
10:47 AM on 05/14/2012
Goldman's bonus for this bastardry was one billion dollars. Then they turned around, with the help of ex-Goldman, ex-First Boston banker, G-Pap, ‘The Technocrat’, and set up their very own market in which to sell Greece short. Nice one, eh?
And to read all the debt-boogers on this page rabbitting on about Lazy, Ouzo-swilling Greeks - it makes you sick.
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aforbes808
Naked is a state of mind.
11:11 AM on 05/14/2012
Clarity, slowly breaking through to daylight. f/f