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Jamie Dimon, JPMorgan CEO, Safe For Now Despite Trading Loss, FBI Probe

Posted: Updated: 05/16/2012 12:48 am

So just how much trouble is Jamie Dimon really in? And what would it take for him to actually lose his job?

You'd need an industrial-grade spatula to scrape all the egg off of the JPMorgan Chase CEO's rosy face in the wake of his firm's $2 billion (and counting) trading loss. And yet Dimon still does not seem to be in any real danger of joining the ranks of the unemployed.

In fact, JPMorgan shareholders on Tuesday let Dimon keep not one but two of his jobs, voting down a proposal to split the roles of CEO and chairman of the board. And ears in Tampa Bay are still ringing from the vigorous thwack of the shareholders' rubber stamp on Dimon's $23 million pay package.

Dimon may in fact be starting to get some of his old anti-regulatory swagger back, taking time at the shareholders meeting to defend his bank's efforts to lobby against financial reforms.

But maybe Dimon shouldn't get too cozy just yet, particularly with FBI agents nosing around JPMorgan offices.

The investigation is just beginning, and will likely include a probe into whether JPMorgan properly disclosed the trades that led to the $2 billion loss and an examination of the bank's accounting practices,, according to an official familiar with the probe.

The investigation won't turn on the trade itself, said Thomas Gorman, who writes the SEC Actions blog and is a Washington partner at the law firm Dorsey & Whitney. The betting that triggered JPMorgan's huge loss is legal, for now at least.

But the Justice Department and others are probably looking at whether bank executives made any false statements, Gorman said.

And that's where the greatest peril for Dimon's future employment seems to lie -- in the answer to the questions as to what he knew about the trades and when he knew it.

"The main question for the CEO respected for getting his hands dirty is, how dirty are his hands related to the $2 billion loss," said Mike Mayo, author of the book "Exile on Wall Street" and a banking analyst with CLSA, a unit of Credit Agricole Securities.

The worst-case scenario for Dimon -- and probably for JPMorgan and the banking industry as a whole -- is if it turns out that Dimon directly misled the public and investors about the risks being taken by his chief investment office.

James Cox, a corporate and securities law professor at Duke University, said the most obvious issues are the "carte blanche denials" Dimon issued in April in response to questions from the press. Those questions were prompted by the Wall Street Journal story on the trader behind the bets who became known as "the London whale."

"What did he then know and when did he learn of the problems that caused the firm to become sufficiently concerned to begin unwinding its positions?" Cox asked about Dimon. "Was Dimon then just managing the press or managing the markets to aid in unwinding those transactions?"

Though Dimon is starting to get a reputation for shooting his mouth off and having to apologize later, it seems highly unlikely that he would have been so reckless as to directly mislead investors.

But that still leaves a couple of unpleasant alternative explanations, notes Mayo of CLSA: Either he hadn't done his homework on the bank's risk-taking back in April, or he did his homework and "got the wrong answer." Neither speaks all that well of Dimon's risk management, at the very least.

Separate reports by Bloomberg and The New York Times, citing anonymous former JPMorgan employees, have suggested that Dimon pushed his chief investment office, which is designed to keep the bank's risks under control, to take even bigger risks.

It's not clear that those stories contradict statements Dimon has made to the public, but it doesn't look good for risk management. And Tuesday's shareholders meeting may have seen the first rumblings of some discontent, according to Marc Pado, U.S. market strategist at Dowbull, an investment advisory service in Truckee, Calif.

"I think shareholders wanted assurances that this would never happen again," Pado wrote in an email to The Huffington Post. "It did not come off that way."

Still, for now at least, investors seem to be mostly cutting Dimon some slack for his risk management. After losing about 11 percent in the two trading days after the news of the loss broke, the stock rebounded more than 1 percent on Tuesday.

In fact, JPMorgan's stock price, even after its recent big losses, is still outperforming its banking peers and the broader market, Mayo notes. That may explain why Dimon is still getting plenty of leeway from shareholders. Until the stock price starts to suffer, Dimon's job may be safe.

Neither the FBI nor JPMorgan returned calls seeking comment.

D.M. Levine contributed reporting to this story.

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So just how much trouble is Jamie Dimon really in? And what would it take for him to actually lose his job? You'd need an industrial-grade spatula to scrape all the egg off of the JPMorgan Chase CE...
So just how much trouble is Jamie Dimon really in? And what would it take for him to actually lose his job? You'd need an industrial-grade spatula to scrape all the egg off of the JPMorgan Chase CE...
 
 
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builderman55
Featherless Biped
10:32 AM on 05/16/2012
From 2000-2007 I built a construction business from nothing to a $2 million a year home building business. In 2008, all those years of 6-7 days per week and no vacations ended up in Chapter 7 bankruptcy, the loss of all the retirement money I'd put in a 401k retirement plan during a 16 year career as a teacher, and the loss of my home. Stunned, destitute, and almost broken, I out the toolbags on and for the last 4 years have never been without work. My knees and back hurt,mi have pared my health I surface all the way back to a catastrophic policy, and I am back on the road to rebuilding a new company. Every time I see one of these arrogant, greedy, overpaid parasites whine about too much regulation after make a multi-billion dollar mistake, I want to vomit. I didn't use to hate the rich, but I'm getting there. This is the class that has the true sense of entitlement in America...
09:57 AM on 05/16/2012
Given the meltdown during the Bush years, one would have thought they would be calling for his head. But the banksters have become so powerful that those in political power are afraid to speak out. It is a sure thing that they will blow up the system in the next decade and when that happens we will move back into caves.
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FoxIslander
Fox Island...no relation to Fox News
09:41 AM on 05/16/2012
So where are the shareholders on this? Why dont THEY remove Dimon....oh thats right, GREED.
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da6675
09:40 AM on 05/16/2012
Every CEO on Wall St is safe because Obama won't investigate them, much less prosecute. Obama's head of the Justice Dept., Eric Holder, was a lawyer for the Big Banks when Mr. Change appointed him. So are all his top deputies. And they will all go back to Wall St when they finish helping Obama maintain the status quo. Some already have!
But the Obamapologists just roll on, oblivious and content with personal attacks on true progressives who dare question the deeds of Saint Obama.
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09:31 AM on 05/16/2012
we're all hamsters on neocon "financially engineered" and "financially innovated" wheels

police protect the wealthiest WITH NO PROSECUTIONS!

we're robbed blind

goldman sachs, bernanke, dimon, rubin, immelt, blum and feinstein!

they decimated the middle class
lowered their own taxes
SIT ON TRILLIONS
invest in OTHER countries
NOT THE US
where unemployment
foreclosures
lack of quality healthcare
college students with NO HOPE and huge BANK LOANS
homelessness
all at historic levels.

call out the riot police to keep citizens down
arrest them if they videotape so there's no evidence!
launch an "internal investigation" where there are never any prosecutions in cities across the country.

national "law enforcement" warrant-less wiretaps are rampant. fbi knocks out hundreds of web businesses seizing web servers looking for spammers.

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/21/f-b-i-seizes-web-servers-knocking-sites-offline/

11/16/11

DHS PLANNED COORDINATED RAIDS ON OWS ACROSS THE COUNTRY

PRIVATIZE THE NET

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/16/sopa-internet-censorship-online-piracy-house-hearing_n_1098255.html

this is all about the GREATEST REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH IN HISTORY that republicans droned onabout duringthe lastelection

they just LIED about WHO itwas being redistributed to

it went to the WEALTHIEST OF THE WEALTHY

who want a constant state of war, huge prisons, and a police state because it's good for their businesses.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2010/10/08/Neocons-Talk-Deficit-but-Wont-Budge-on-Defense-Cuts.aspx

welcome to serfdom 2.0
Wib
Liberal former Marine who loves fly fishing and is
09:26 AM on 05/16/2012
Not said in all of this is that Dimon being as wealthy as he is and holding the position he holds would have had to do things so grossly illegal that they could not be ignored for the FBI or anyone else to bring charges against him. Smaller fish would be frying in the grease of the criminal system already instead of running free like Dimon. I suspect he and his lawyers will deflect anything less that murder charges, and there have to be hundreds of witnesses to that murder for Dimon to ge charged. Otherwise, he would go free even from that.
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Angrykitteh
You're on double secret probation....
09:15 AM on 05/16/2012
He and Bo go way back. I'm sure Jamie will be just fine.....
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theaverment
Latine microbios r stolidis
09:01 AM on 05/16/2012
... and people are still lining up to give this guy money... but the family bakery down the street has their rent raised on them and the application for a loan at their bank denied, and their kid goes to jail for getting caught smoking some weed.

Wall Street lives in its own world
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ornery
H.L. Mencken was too kind.
08:59 AM on 05/16/2012
He's doing his Bob Rubin impression.

He's drawing the top salary at the top of the organization chart, and now he has no idea what his subordinates were doing.

It worked for Rubin, but that Casablanca routine wears thin as the din from the casino gets louder and louder and louder.....

Jamie is "shocked--SHOCKED--that there is gambling in his joint!

Time to pull the rip cord on that golden parachute, Jamie.
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bestoftimes1
08:52 AM on 05/16/2012
So we now have the SEC, FBI and the DOJ involved even though it's a total hyped up story by the leftwing media, maybe someone will look into MF Global?
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Katina Cooper
my friends made me dress up and pose
08:42 AM on 05/16/2012
The picture on the front page says it all. It's the hand of a politicians waiting for the cash to be put in his hand for a job well done for the bank. The bank also wishes to thank the politician for making sure that the public pays for any trading loss incurred by the bank and for making sure that only the bank gets any profits from any trade.
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h1ren
I am ghostwriting my micro-bio...
08:14 AM on 05/16/2012
The moral of this and similar stories:

If you are going to commit crime/fraud/theft, it better be BIG if you want to remain unscathed... You might even get invited to more parties and get umpteen bonuses.
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den1953
The National Inquire of Politics the GOP!
07:55 AM on 05/16/2012
Ignorance never played a good excuse for lack of leadership, if any crime was committed Dimon needs to take the blame he is the top manager and gets paid the large compensation because of it, those that served under him have already resigned which means the story hasn't been completed yet!
americanpatriot4ever
brings more than his fair share to the table
07:47 AM on 05/16/2012
American CEOs are evidence that greed has spoiled men's souls.
EnterUsernameHere
The left is wrong because they are not right.
08:23 AM on 05/16/2012
As greedy as those who think they are entitled to "free" stuff from the government merely because they want it.
americanpatriot4ever
brings more than his fair share to the table
08:26 AM on 05/16/2012
You clearly need remedial instruction on the topic of greed.
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phatdaddy51
heros;jefferson, paine and beth warren
07:39 AM on 05/16/2012
i expect he'll find good cause to give himself a raise then he'll look us dead in the eye and laugh
tough shat suckers, now help me pay for this loss.

a true traitor to the american way of life.