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Obama, Boehner Talk Debt Ceiling In Meeting

Posted: Updated: 05/16/2012 11:55 pm

Obama Boehner Meeting Debt Ceiling

WASHINGTON -- Apparently healed from the trauma caused by last summer's debt-ceiling showdown, House Republicans and the White House have begun an eight-month long standoff over the next debt-ceiling fight.

President Barack Obama and House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) met for lunch Wednesday, during which the predictable battle lines were drawn over allowing the U.S. government to pay off its financial obligations for the foreseeable future. According to a readout of the meeting from Boehner's office, the president made it clear that he wanted a debt-ceiling increase without any attached spending cuts.

Boehner responded with the equivalent of "no f-ing way."

"As long as I’m around here, I’m not going to allow a debt-ceiling increase without doing something serious about the debt," said Boehner.

For those who survived last summer's negotiations, the notion that any party would willingly relive those tense weeks is insane. While more than a trillion dollars in spending reductions were achieved (with a trillion-plus more in combined defense, entitlement and discretionary spending cuts set to be triggered at the end of this year), it was not without immense political cost. Both parties took a major hit in the polls (Republicans were blamed more than the president) while S+P downgraded the credit rating of the United States government -- citing skepticism that any constructive debt reduction could be done in the current political climate.

But Washington's pols seem to have limited short-term memories. This week, the House GOP leadership began making it clear that its main regret about last summer's negotiations was that the party didn't push for more.

"When the time comes, I will again insist on my simple principle of cuts and reforms greater than the debt-limit increase," Boehner said Tuesday in a speech at the Peter G. Peterson Foundation's 2012 fiscal summit. "This is the only avenue I see right now to force the elected leadership of this country to solve our structural fiscal imbalance."

The most current projections for when the debt ceiling will be reached is sometime in late winter of 2012. The bipartisan Policy Center has offered up a window of mid-November to early January, depending on what revenues are generated by Treasury.

Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said on Tuesday that the country was "likely to hit the debt limit sometime before the end of the year." But, he noted, "Congress has given the executive branch a set of tools" that could -- if put to use -– "buy them some time" (likely into early 2013). A Treasury official elaborated that those tools were "extraordinary measure(s)" such as temporarily borrowing from the federal employee's retirement plan, "to give us room so that if we hit the debt limit we don't actually hit the debt limit."

With that timetable in mind, the White House on Wednesday made two points. There was a commitment to a clean debt-ceiling increase. There also were admonitions about making politics out of what had historically been, a routine debt-ceiling increase process.

The president, said White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, "simply will not accept an approach that tries to recreate the self-inflicted political wounds that caused harm to the economy last summer."

"I think you have to ask the speaker of the House whether or not he intends or believes it is the right thing to do ... to play chicken with the full faith and credit of the United States government," Carney added.

This, of course, was the same script that administration officials used in the Spring of 2011, only to eventually seek compromise with congressional Republicans. Whether that will happen during the next go-around seems likely to be influenced by other, large-scale events. The Bush-era tax cuts are set to expire on Dec. 31, the same date when the triggered spending cuts will take effect. Obama may be on his way out of office with President-elect Romney heading in.

In short, the impasses could be even more intractable than the first time, with an economic climate even less stable. That said, there was glimmer of good news from Wednesday's Obama-Boehner meeting. The speaker, his office confirmed, "was very pleased with the sandwiches served."

UPDATE: 3:50 p.m. -- More information from the White House meeting is starting to trickle in. According to a Senate Democratic aide, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) urged both sides to put off negotiations over the debt ceiling until after they had finalized talks on the Bush tax cuts and the triggers.

"Since no debt ceiling increase will likely be necessary until after the end of the year, Senator Reid conveyed his view that any discussion of the debt ceiling is premature," the aide emailed.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), meanwhile, remarked mainly on the need to press forward with legislation that could garner 60 votes in the Senate, including a bill to keep student-loan interest rates at their current levels. His comments on the debt ceiling, an aide said, were mainly about the need to "do something serious about the deficit" as part of any deal.

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WASHINGTON -- Apparently healed from the trauma caused by last summer's debt-ceiling showdown, House Republicans and the White House have begun an eight-month long standoff over the next debt-ceiling ...
WASHINGTON -- Apparently healed from the trauma caused by last summer's debt-ceiling showdown, House Republicans and the White House have begun an eight-month long standoff over the next debt-ceiling ...
 
 
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Coinyer101 08:42 PM on 05/16/2012
I suspect that when the Dems finally agree to the austerity the GOP is so adamant about pushing on the 99%, that the people are gonna get fedup once and for all. It's happening all over Europe. The Worldwide OWS movement is in place and organized, and the lessons of the last 8 months of crackdowns have been learned. This could be the moment that Jefferson's 'recommendations' come to  Read More...
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mappy3
Dog loving, political junkie.
07:31 PM on 05/18/2012
Hey Boehner, We understand exactly what you think you're doing- Win an election by taking our country to the brink again.
Guess what? It will do the Opposite. You will Hand the Election to Obama.

Thanks!
MGhamma
Reality is 100% biased!
12:26 AM on 05/18/2012
Capitalism is nothing more than a game people play with each other.

Maybe it's time to stop playing games and grow up.
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axoaxo
GOP goal: 5 cents-an-hour & no bathroom breaks
10:50 PM on 05/17/2012
Which administration's policies are driving the debt:

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2011/07/24/opinion/sunday/24editorial_graph2.html?ref=Sunday
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axoaxo
GOP goal: 5 cents-an-hour & no bathroom breaks
10:49 PM on 05/17/2012
10 Inconvenient Truths About the Debt Ceiling:

1. Republican Leaders Agree U.S. Default Would Be a "Financial Disaster"
2. Ronald Reagan Tripled the National Debt
3. George W. Bush Doubled the National Debt
4. Republicans Voted Seven Times to Raise Debt Ceiling for President Bush
5. Federal Taxes Are Now at a 60 Year Low
6. Bush Tax Cuts Didn't Pay for Themselves or Spur "Job Creators"
7. Ryan Budget Delivers Another Tax Cut Windfall for Wealthy
8. Ryan Budget Will Require Raising Debt Ceiling - Repeatedly
9. Tax Cuts Drive the Next Decade of Debt
10. $3 Trillion Tab for Unfunded Wars Remains Unpaid
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charleshbuchannan
My microbio does not meet guidelines?
10:25 PM on 05/17/2012
I'm just going out on a limb here.

But I think Boener is going to do all he can to undermine Obama politically with this otherwise perfectly mundane process.
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bellaratta
We are not enemies.
12:32 AM on 05/18/2012
Exactly! I have already noticed the trolls going bonkers over this.
07:15 PM on 05/17/2012
I think we should should be just like Greece. Entitled...empowered...and just pissed off at the rest of the world because the people of that fair land expect government hand-outs. It really does not matter that they totally mortgaged their future in the past. 2 plus 2 there really does equal 14.
Oh wait...This just in: Germany is reportedly annexing Greece based on overdue payments. China is considering a foreclosure on America.
08:50 PM on 05/17/2012
Entitled as in entitlements such as Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid? Do you favor cutting them? Empowered? As in defense? Do you favor cutting defense? How about entitled to not pay taxes? Should we let the Bush/Obama tax cuts expire?
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ladyrosedeky
05:41 PM on 05/17/2012
John Boehner, please go stand in the mirror and ask yourself exactly how much of the tax payer's dollars are spent, and how much of the debt is due because of what us in the congress and senate spend on ourselves everday?

If you start there Johnny Boy, and start cutting out those things, you'll finally get some deficit reduction.

Then go look in the mirror and ask yourself, how much of the people's money are we giving to multi-billion dollar corporations?

Then make cuts there Johnny and you'll cut the deficit and budget.

And guess what Johnny, they'll be money for Pell Grants. There will even be money to let grandma keep her Social Security she paid into and her Medicare.
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Value Investor
He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future.
09:53 PM on 05/17/2012
Obama doesn't want the deficit reduced. If he did, he'd have a budget reflecting that. He wants to spend spend spend.....
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ladyrosedeky
11:51 PM on 05/17/2012
And you really think Boehner and McConnell do?

If they did, they would be cutting the waste out of the legislative budget but they aren't.

If you'd like to know exactly how much waste I'm referring to go to thomas.loc.gov and enter bill number S. 162 and check out how much Sen. Rand Paul proposed that the legislative budget be reduced. Legislative budget is the congress and senate's budget.

Try for $1.2 trillion for just one year.

And google stories that talk about Sen. Rand Paul returning $500,000 of his unspent 2011 congressional office budget to the government on Jan. 15, 2012.

Now ask yourself, why is it Sen. Paul had so much unspent money but Boehner, Can't do Cantor and McConnell did't return one dime?

Do you see why they aren't really reducing the budget?

They spend way too much of the tax payer's money on themselves.

So there is plenty of that really not wanting to reduce the deficit disease on capital hill to go around.

Well of course, unless it is at someone else's expense but OMG when it comes to our representatives on the hill, definitely not theirs'.
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mappy3
Dog loving, political junkie.
07:36 PM on 05/18/2012
Let me ask you - Are you getting ANY of the $10 Trillion Bush Tax cuts for the wealthy?
No, didn't think so. So why would you DEFEND these low lives??
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05:06 PM on 05/17/2012
no more hikes....you can't go from broke to broker.....once your broke your broke...
09:34 PM on 05/17/2012
No more hikes? Both the President and Mr Romney will require substantial further increases in the debt ceiling for their programs.
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axoaxo
GOP goal: 5 cents-an-hour & no bathroom breaks
10:07 PM on 05/17/2012
that's like telling your credit card companies you no longer feel like paying the charges from last year ... Typical Repub deadbeats
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ladyrosedeky
05:04 PM on 05/17/2012
Hey Boehner, just cut the legislative budget by that $1.2 trillion that Sen. Rand Paul proposed in his bill, S. 162 and you'll be there.

If you cut the additional $2.4 trillion he proposed to cut from the judicial budget, you'll get there even faster.

But heck John, that would mean you'd have to give up all that tax payer paid for bottled water and coffee. Nonetheless all those other freebies you voted for yourself and buddies over the years. Now that is where the real fat is to be found.

Then try raising taxes on the wealthiest of those who get capital gains earnings.

Cut that much abused corporate jet that there is that loop hole for.

You'll slowly get there.

Then cut all those huge subsidies to multi-billion dollar corporations that you say so deparately need money but there isn't money to fund higher education so you absolutely have to cut Pell Grants.

You'll get there John.

Just do a little self sacrificing that you keep telling the rest of the American public that they have to do.

Fairness in debt reduction, John. That is all this Independent wants to see.
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bellaratta
We are not enemies.
04:55 PM on 05/17/2012
John, John, John, it seem a little premature for that.
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teddy333
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02:42 PM on 05/17/2012
Stand tough President Obama. Do not let the vultures take social security, medicare, or any other good social programs for the benefit of the ultra rich. How many tea baggers are going to respond negatively to this comment? Hmmm...I wonder. They all resist for their own demise. To all the TP-ers and repukeblicans; resist, resist, resist.
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barackvspalin
spreading YOUR wealth around is a better idea
02:48 PM on 05/17/2012
$15 trillion in debt

Budget Fail: President Obama's Plan Gets Zero Votes
04:16 PM on 05/17/2012
good answer teddy, keep spending, keep spending, keep spending. maybe we can reach 20 trillion $ before the election.
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Jakpot
That was then, This is now
02:36 PM on 05/17/2012
Three cheers for Boehner! I hope he can keep that momentum going but Obama seems to have a tool to get his own way, no matter how destructive to America. I would greatly respect our Congress and House if they all would come forward with the same demand. Obama has tried to spend us broke, which means dependent upon other countries. We've already lost our A-1 Credit Rating, along with most of our jobs and all of our money, but Obama is not finished with us yet. As long as we pay taxes on everything, the money continues to roll in, and he wants every dime. It is doing nothing to advance our country. The money we pay in is being sent all over the world, mostly to Muslim nations via the UN. Many of these countries have oil fields in their front yards and the people still have nothing because the Dictators pocket all the money for themselves. When we send more money, it goes the same way. We need to build our own country and let others do the same.
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teddy333
Save Our Planet!
02:42 PM on 05/17/2012
Momentum? What momentum? You tea baggers are dense. Where were you when the last president got us unto this mess?
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barackvspalin
spreading YOUR wealth around is a better idea
03:01 PM on 05/17/2012
tea....

2010 elections...

the greatest rout in the house in many many decades.

looks like some dems and many independents voted for them.

¿Si or No?

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04:18 PM on 05/17/2012
3 YEARS NO BUDGET need i say more.
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bellaratta
We are not enemies.
04:57 PM on 05/17/2012
Nonsense!
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Jakpot
That was then, This is now
06:29 PM on 05/17/2012
Now that's a heavyweight intellectual's input
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DANIELISTICALL
HISTORY IS BUT A FABLE AGREED UPON,,NAPOLEON
02:30 PM on 05/17/2012
THE REPUBLICANS GAVE US A BROKENCOUNTRY_________________
When Clinton left office the National debt was $5 trillion,, the countries operating budget was $236 BILLION SURPLUS,,,, unemployment was 4.2% ,,with 2.4% job growth,,,,,,,,,,when bush left office the national debt was $10 trillion,,,the countries operating budget was $485.5BILLION DEFFICITE,,,,Unemployment was 8.2% with a job growth of..0.5%..... *NOTE* this post has been updated based on estimates bush's deficit was $357 billion,, the stats have come in showing BUSH'S DEFICITE to actually be $485.5 billion,,,{{,UPDATE}}…. THE BUSH ADMINSTRATION LEFT A 1.3 TRILLION BUDGER DEFFICTE ALONG WITH A 5 TRILLIO NATIONAL DEBT
THE NATIONAL DEBT IS NOW . Public Debt Outstanding today.15 TRILLION

George W. Bush 3.0 million JOBS CREATED,,in 8 years,,,,,,,,,,Bill Clinton 23.1 million JOBS CREATED,,,in 8 years
03:00 PM on 05/17/2012
You forgot about Obama. He is President now.
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bellaratta
We are not enemies.
03:37 PM on 05/17/2012
Thank God. It is just too bad that the GOP is too busy trying to make him fail to actually do anything to help this great country.
RedWingFan51
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06:03 PM on 05/17/2012
Hey Moron the Republican Congress created 23 Million jobs for Clinton? He was to busy lookinh under Monica Lewinskys skirt to do his job. And FYI Bush did'nt have to create a whole lot of jobs since unemployment was around 4.5% through alot of his term that's considered full employment and you wont be able to create awhole lot of jobs then.
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02:22 PM on 05/17/2012
One thing is for sure.... North Carolina sure did put Obama in his place.... they were brave enough to oppose Obama.
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02:23 PM on 05/17/2012
Mississippi doesn't much care for Obama either, and that place is/was/and likely always will be a complete mess. Your point?
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05:11 PM on 05/17/2012
a mess as in what the rest of the country is in you mean? YOUR point?
RedWingFan51
11 Time Stanley Cup Champs.
06:37 PM on 05/17/2012
Liberal California is way more than as mess than Mississippi? When i see Liberal Democratic Detroit I see the path that Progressive Liberals will do to the rest of the country when they run amouk and destroy the foundation of the country. Progreesive Liberalism equals 3rd world status.
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Bjay0421
Live the Golden Rule
02:25 PM on 05/17/2012
"Brave enough"???
Not the words I would have used!
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05:12 PM on 05/17/2012
I would. And it's just the beginning.