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Derby Line, Vermont Windmills Cause Controversy In Canada

AP  |  By Posted: Updated: 05/17/2012 10:36 am

STANSTEAD, Quebec (AP) — The winds blowing through Canada's broad St. Lawrence Valley and across Vermont's hilltops are stirring up an international tempest over which country's laws should govern how those breezes are harnessed for electricity.

Some residents of the Quebec town of Stanstead are upset about plans in Vermont to erect just south of the border two industrial-size wind turbines — one of which would be about 1,000 feet from a few Canadian and Vermont homes.

Quebec requires wind turbines to be at least 1,640 feet from homes, and the Canadian homeowners are demanding those rules be followed. But in Vermont, the allowable distance is determined by the sound of the spinning blades, and the project's developer says the turbines would meet those requirements.

The plan has yet to win approval from Vermont regulators. But the dispute has gotten so rancorous that the mayor of Stanstead threatened to cut off water to some homes on the American side. The issue has even come up on the floor of Canada's Parliament.

"You know, there really is no precedent to follow here," said Chad Farrell of Encore Redevelopment, the Burlington, Vt., company working with two dairy farmers to build the 425-foot windmills, each of which would be capable of producing enough electricity for about 900 homes.

Stanstead's Lynda Hartley lives on a horse farm about 3,700 feet from the turbine site, well beyond the Quebec setback distance, but is leading the opposition in the community. She said her 8-year-old autistic son is hypersensitive to noise.

"This is going to be stopped," she said. "I am not going to allow this to happen. This is crazy."

The Vermont farmers are counting on the money they would be paid for hosting the towers as a steady source of income in an era of up-and-down milk prices.

One of them, Bryan Davis, said his neighbors in Derby Line who live close by are not complaining. The opposition, he said, is "scaring people with these tactics."

It is the other proposed turbine in Derby Line that has generated most of the opposition. Seven homes in Quebec would be less than 1,640 feet from it. The owners of the farm on which it would be erected did not return calls for comment.

Julie Fauteux lives with her husband and two young children in Quebec, about 1,500 feet from where that second turbine would be. In front of her house is a sign in French that translates as "health and quality of life," with an image of a turbine inside a circle with a slash through it.

"There is not going to be any quality of life with the sound of this," Fauteux said. She added: "They don't consider the closeness of our house. In the United States there's no law about how close you can put one, but in Canada there is."

The farming villages of Stanstead, population 3,000, and its American twin, Derby Line, a section of the broader town of Derby, which has about 4,600 people, are practically one community, even though many people in Stanstead speak French as their first language and the international boundary cuts through yards and even houses. It was only after security was tightened following 9/11 that residents had to start reporting at border stations before visiting friends or relatives on the other side.

The breeze in Derby Line isn't as strong as it is on the mountaintops where most Vermont wind projects are situated, but it is steadier, making the village ideal for generating power, Farrell said. The whooshing of the turbines would meet Vermont's 45-decibel noise limit, he said.

Supporters say the turbines would produce green energy, create jobs during construction and provide income to the farmers. Opponents say wind power harms the environment, wouldn't be practical without huge government subsidies, and is an eyesore. The giant spinning blades in Derby Line would be visible for miles on both sides of the border.

Hartley said she and her neighbors did some research on the Internet and found complaints about shadows and glints of light from the turbines, noise and vibration, and electromagnetic radiation.

"It was amazing the different things that we heard and how horrible they were," she said. "It was things we'd never thought about."

Farrell said scientific studies have found the health concerns unfounded, and he added that those aren't even the real reasons for the opposition: "I think what it comes down to is some people just don't want to look at them."

Pat Parenteau, an environmental law professor at the Vermont Law School, said there is no law requiring a Vermont developer to follow Quebec rules, but that would be a good practice. It's a legal concept known as "comity."

"If the Canadian requirement is reasonable, there's sort of a diplomatic principle of why not honor it. If the shoe was on the other foot, wouldn't we want Canada to respect our laws and requirements?" Parenteau said. "That's soft law. That ain't hard law. It's simple respect."

Stanstead Mayor Philippe Dutil said he hasn't seen people in his community so worked up about something in Vermont since the early 1980s, when there was talk of building a nuclear waste dump in the state.

"I am there to defend my citizens. If my citizens are worried, I am standing behind them all the way," Dutil said.

Last month, he threatened to cut off a Vermont neighborhood served by a Stanstead water system. "I said that to catch everybody's attention. And it did," Dutil said.

Last week, a member of Parliament who represents the Stanstead area called on the Canadian government to "ensure that my citizens are consulted in the development of this type of project."

The project is awaiting approval from the Vermont Public Service Board. Farrell had hoped to finish the turbines in time to take advantage of a wind power tax credit that expires at the end of the year, but said he is willing to take extra time to work with the Canadians.

Still, Farrell said moving the turbines farther from the Quebec homes would just put them closer to Vermont houses.

"Every location has its challenges," he said.

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JScott
John Galt's last name is McGuffin-Smithee
03:06 AM on 05/19/2012
Hmm what if they made these like the old Dutch or English style windmills (not wind turbines), would they be more acceptable, like 3 or 4 of em (since they don't produce as much power) and you don't hear of many old bird kills or noise of the old windmills in the Netherlands. The did this at a brewery in Germany the outside is like an old windmill but the inside is like a wind turbine producing electricity
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Linus521
In wildness is the salvation of mankind
02:00 AM on 05/19/2012
Several years ago, I witnessed my first windmill factory in the Coachella [sp] Valley of California on the way to Palms Springs. I was stunned. The windmills were almost close enough to have touched. They stole every thought in my mind with their frantic, convulsive movement. The valley, the hills the mountains were frenetic, about the most horrible sight I've ever seen. I could no more live there, than could any other living thing.

Just recently discovered, the bird and bat butchery of these monsters is far more immense than anyone could imagine. One of these brain blasters is in a site that until, the windmills -- boasted of more golden eagles than any place on the Earth. Not anymore...These windmills have slaughtered so many golden eagles, they are now struggling to survive!

Sheep have died amongst windmills because of "sleep deprivation"; if sheep cannot survive in this hellish earthly holocaust, how can anything? I very quickly comprehended, no way could I survive in this retched environment.

I had rather have an oil rig next to me, any day and so would golden eagles!
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JScott
John Galt's last name is McGuffin-Smithee
02:55 AM on 05/19/2012
Visit now at San Gorgonio Pass (where these are) they are replacing many of the small ones with fewer larger slower turning ones, I notice the change each time I drive thru there, they also red tip the vanes so birds avoid them and there's never been any sheep grazing around these in the first place. The bigger threat is the cities around them allowing even more (esp. residential) development which is a big stupid in the first place. Besides most people don't want to live in that area just because it is too windy, you can't go outside on the patio and you're always sweeping up your floors.
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June25
10:27 PM on 05/18/2012
Does Canada have enough minority neighborhoods to place all it's needed windmills in?
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undsoweiter
but I know where to look it up
02:15 PM on 05/18/2012
I had wondered why video of wind farms seldom included sound. Then I saw one that did.
24/7? Woof,woof,woof all night long?
No thankee.
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yeti7
don't need no stink'n badges
07:13 PM on 05/18/2012
then there are sub-sonic and hyper-sonic noises that you don't hear but you feel and it also bothers animals with more sensitive hearing.
Plus they are killing millions of birds and bats. And they are ugly
11:53 PM on 05/19/2012
"woof, woof, woof"

Is that a dog barking in the background, or just some repressed memory rearing it's ugly head. Perhaps in a previous life you were a mailman ... stranger things have happened.
01:55 PM on 05/18/2012
I wonder how many migrating song-birds those blades are going to chop every year ----- but hey, we don't wanna think about that 'cause it's greeeeeeen tech and we all know green tech does no harm...
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yeti7
don't need no stink'n badges
07:14 PM on 05/18/2012
those and the large raptors and vultures, if you cause the death of an Eagle you could go to jail but not Big Wind
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Linus521
In wildness is the salvation of mankind
02:05 AM on 05/19/2012
Brilliant commentary. Just recently, I discovered, vastly many more birds and bats are being slaughtered or sliced to pieces by these monsters than previously thought. Search this and google it. You will be stunned.

In one area in California, they supported more golden eagles than any place on the Earth. Since these monstrous slicing swords, they have severely reduced their populations, dramatically. You will be stunned.

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EAPrince
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09:42 AM on 05/18/2012
This is always the problem. The 'not in my neighborhood' syndrome. We all want power but we don't want the plants or mines or refineries or turbines of solar arrays in our line of sight or audible. Everything in life is a tradeoff. But nobody wants to admit that. There are only so many places to build power generating facilities, of any kind. They can't all be built 100 miles offshore. And even if they could be, some people would still find something to complain about. There is no perfect solution, I'm afraid.

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Jmaximus Spartacus
05:19 AM on 05/18/2012
These people really need to put away the tin foil and jump on the reality bus.
10:20 AM on 05/18/2012
Would you please do yourself a favor and try to become a little more educated on this issue. The fact is that turbines being sited too close to homes is a growing problem worldwide, especially as turbines have gotten larger and the low frequency noise emitted by them has grown apace. I personally know people who have abandoned their homes because of the health problems they've suffered from being in proximity. It is not the absolute decibel level so much as the character and frequency content of the noise that creates problems. As a beginner to the subject I suggest you look up the Acoustic Ecology Institute for more info on noise related effects, as they provide a decent unbiased primer for learning more on the subject. A 1000 feet or 1600 feet from a turbine that large is too close from a noise standpoint for neighbors. But, because state governments and the wind industry have done a good job ignoring residents' concerns, we see these proposal repeated elsewhere, despite all evidence suggesting much greater setbacks are in order.
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Jmaximus Spartacus
08:01 PM on 05/18/2012
Please most Americans are subjected to constant noise from a variety of sources. The notion that your home has to be a fortress of solitude is laughable. There are 3 types of people against wind power. 1., Fossil fuels barons. 2.,Rich people who cry about it spoiling their scenic views. 3., Luddites who also are also against smart meters and vaccines. If you are so concerned about I suggest you get rid of the following: computers, TV's, radio, all electronics and appliances, all forms of transportation, and then move into a cave.
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yeti7
don't need no stink'n badges
07:23 PM on 05/18/2012
yeah natural gas is where that is at
we have plenty of it, it can be filtered further down (emissions) natural gas gen plants have a much smaller foot print than wind and can be built almost anywhere.
Doesn't decimate the bird and bat populations. Natural gas is a good source of fuel for vehicles and even ship engines.
Also can be used off the grid in fuel cell applications, though depending on your needs a solar setup might be better.
Plus wind energy turbine towers/farms are fast becoming the leading cause of industrial personnel accidents and deaths, it will only get worse as more and more towers are put into operation. Big Wind = Big Bad
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ItsEmu
A revolution is long overdue.
03:21 AM on 05/18/2012
Electromagnetic radiation? Really?? How can you complain about something that doesn't make any noise, doesn't produce pollution and provides energy to the community? Why not sue the wind, too.

Why aren't the same people complaining about highways, cars, trucks and heck loud people?? Instead they choose to go after the thing that causes the least trouble. Those darn windmills!
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Jmaximus Spartacus
05:23 AM on 05/18/2012
Because they are crazy. That one woman probably blames a vaccination for her sons Autism.
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yeti7
don't need no stink'n badges
07:23 PM on 05/18/2012
makes noise, have you watched "Turbine Cowboys" yet?
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Linus521
In wildness is the salvation of mankind
01:33 AM on 05/18/2012
I witnessed a windmill factory erected over a fragile desert ecosystem. I was utterly horrified! I couldn't believe my eyes. Every valley, hill and mountain was frantic with these immense frenetic, slicing immense swords. This frantic commotion stole the human mind. It would have been far more restive and peaceful had they flooded the valley, hills and mountains or paved them with dead, hot concrete.

No living thing could live in this desert, ever again. I couldn't live there; I would have lost my mind. You have to see this and experience to understand. The windmills were so close, their huge, slicing swords almost touched. I would go insane living there. The frantic movement stole everything that was quality of life and peace.
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Jmaximus Spartacus
05:24 AM on 05/18/2012
Is this a joke or are you actually insane?
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gloriaswanson43
Ask and you will get more info.
09:40 AM on 05/18/2012
Not insane; I can't stand the wind turbines either.
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yeti7
don't need no stink'n badges
07:30 PM on 05/18/2012
Go to Mojave California and have a look see.
Ever seen the old NYC (or other us city) photos from around the late 1800?
So many telegraph poles and wires in the air that in some parts of the city it blocked the sun !
Talk about eye pollution.
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gloriaswanson43
Ask and you will get more info.
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Linus521
In wildness is the salvation of mankind
01:13 PM on 05/18/2012
I wish I had a film to show the windmill factory I saw. This now dead, fragile ecosystem is remarkably more dense with windmills than anything on your windmill site. They had to destroy vast quantities of plant biodiversity, the habitat/homes, food, shelter, nurseries and cover for all the animal biodiversity. Nothing can make a living from this ecosystem now.

I couldn't survive in that environment. Take Interstate 10; the bird and bat killing machines, west of Palm Springs.
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Andrew Harvey
Don't F with the Jesus
09:10 PM on 05/17/2012
Stop the subsidies, problem fixed.

http://www.masterresource.org/category/windpower/subsidiescost-of-windpower/
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Jmaximus Spartacus
05:27 AM on 05/18/2012
Right, lets also stop them for oil, nuclear, gas, and coal too which get about a 1000X as much. Problem fixed.
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08:28 AM on 05/18/2012
yes, and oil, nuc, gas and coal supply about 10000X more power.

But also yes, end ALL the subsidies.
08:16 AM on 05/18/2012
Almost no facts given in your link, most was personal opinion. With that said, I am for stopping all subsidies, ALL! Problems solved.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
07:35 PM on 05/17/2012
This is why wind turbines should be offshore.
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Andrew Harvey
Don't F with the Jesus
09:09 PM on 05/17/2012
Offshore wind power costs over five times as much to produce as land based, due to the costs of setting up and maintaining equipment on the ocean.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
09:31 PM on 05/17/2012
No, It costs about the same when the Europeans do it. It has higher up front costs, but the wind is better. They manage 6 cents per KWH, but our utilities claim it will cost 24 cents here.

Wake up.
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Jmaximus Spartacus
05:28 AM on 05/18/2012
No it isn't.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
12:33 PM on 05/18/2012
More detail please?  
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Conspiracy2Riot
Go ahead, try and eat that fiat currency
03:20 PM on 05/17/2012
perhaps some testimony from people whose farms/lives/property have been ruined/ruined/rendered useless from wind turbines is in order.

it's all well and good to just assume wind power is awesome and the answer, but there are many unpleasant realities to wind farms.
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Jmaximus Spartacus
05:29 AM on 05/18/2012
Ruined? Please, ask the farmers in Iowa how much it has ruined their now fat wallets.
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gloriaswanson43
Ask and you will get more info.
09:41 AM on 05/18/2012
You both need to provide links.
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yeti7
don't need no stink'n badges
07:42 PM on 05/18/2012
some big fire was started in Idaho when one of these things blew up and dropped hot metal on the grass then it just spread.
You watched "Turbine Cowboys" ? I think it's on Discovery Ch.
worth watching a few to get a better understanding of the wind turbine industry.
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Conspiracy2Riot
Go ahead, try and eat that fiat currency
10:50 AM on 05/20/2012
will check it out, thx for the info!
01:28 PM on 05/17/2012
Here is a solution: build a coal fired generating plant. See how they like that.
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Jmaximus Spartacus
05:30 AM on 05/18/2012
Exactly, would rather have a coal fired power plant or windmill behind your house?
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yeti7
don't need no stink'n badges
07:43 PM on 05/18/2012
I'd rather have a hydrogen fuel cell to power my house but the cost needs to come down.
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Linus521
In wildness is the salvation of mankind
02:29 AM on 05/19/2012
I spent time in Coachella Valley, CA. I would rather spend time on Mars than there. I would lose my cuckoo clock in that horrific windmill factory, the windmills spaced so close together, that they steal the thought, the mind and the peace of anyone viewing them.

They are inverse to everything that spells quality of life, peace, beauty and a wonderful world. Yup, Mars is less an eyesore than these monstrous bird and bat killing holocausts, and they are killing far more birds and bats than anyone can possibly guess. There goes man's pest control, seed dispersal, green Earth and man's protection from deadly human pathogens that cause deadly human epidemics. There goes all the reasons man breathes...
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yeti7
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07:43 PM on 05/18/2012
A natural gas plant could work.
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Roosevelt Democrat
01:09 PM on 05/17/2012
Unpopular green energy? Is that possible?
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yeti7
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07:44 PM on 05/18/2012
manure power plant
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yeti7
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08:07 PM on 05/18/2012
I don't think either one of those are the types to be used in this story.
I do find the inhabitant story interesting for single use application.
There is another company you might find interesting.
http://sauerenergy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50