Republican Troops Keeping Ryan’s Budget Plan At Arm’s Length

nytimes.com:

TAMPA, Fla. -- Even as Mitt Romney and Representative Paul D. Ryan exhort Republicans to embrace their proposed Medicare changes and spending cuts, the party's rank and file is growing less enthusiastic about the fight than the top of the ticket.

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Comments

[l78lancer]

08:55 AM on 09/10/2012

By now the republican reality should have readjusted to inform them that they really aren't gaining ground, and that the Medicare issue is here to stay. It will be the Waterloo for some of their cantidates.

But that's right, don't let that pesky reality get in the way.

[CAMBEL]

10:10 AM on 09/04/2012

The fact that even Fox News called out Ryan for being a liar could be waking them up to the fact that this guy is just Palin with a better haircut.

Fox called him out as a liar BEFORE the lie about his marathon time became public. He is one of those kids who always got away with lying, and was never called on it.

[CaptRuby]

03:59 PM on 09/02/2012

Instead of medicare - you give a person a voucher, and tell him he/she will losing NOTHING...

Biggest LIE IN THE WORLD!!!!

[freeasabird]

11:38 AM on 09/02/2012

Not enough voters realize that the Ryan plan for Medicare is out to destroy Medicare and not fix it.
If that succeeds, then Social Security is next. Then all that money that is in those two programs will be transferred to the Private sector. Think of what your bank or credit card bank can do to you, and how you could wind up in a precarious situation with no way out, well, multiply that by ten, and that would be your Medicare and Social Security programs if you are eligible for those programs.

[Genders]

01:41 PM on 09/02/2012

Not enough people seem to understand that the GOPT plan is to gut all programs that help the poor and the citizens, and make our republic that serves the rich. You can lie to these dupes ever day, get caught over and over again, but inside the Fox Rush bubble it's all Obama's fault.

[cerdayes]

11:31 AM on 09/02/2012

Nuns are abandoning Ryan budget.

As Catholic Sisters, we must speak out against the current House Republican budget, authored by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI). We do so because it harms people who are already suffering.

The Ryan Budget would:

•Raise taxes on 18 million hardworking low-income families while cutting taxes for millionaires and big corporations.
•Push the families of 2 million children into poverty.
•Kick 8 million people off food stamps and 30 million off health care.

[HLL]

11:36 AM on 09/02/2012

F & F ~ I'm not Catholic but I agree regards Ryan's budget. Thank you for speaking out against it and for the poor and middle-class. (I mind a handful of billionaires buying my government too!)

[Computer Geek]

01:49 PM on 09/02/2012

"Sister Joan Chittister, a Benedictine nun, had this to say: "I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases , your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is." "

[cerdayes]

09:09 AM on 09/03/2012

love it, i add this to the above statement .

[NMGladiator]

11:10 AM on 09/02/2012

Mitt called the Ryan Budget "Marvelous."

Dems running against these deniers need to remind their constituents.

[Pecan Sandies]

10:48 AM on 09/02/2012

The more people find out that it's just another republican give away to the rich, the more people will dislike it.

[Robert Turner]

10:48 AM on 09/02/2012

I think it's got more to do with his B.O. than his policies.

[thinker43]

10:20 AM on 09/02/2012

They backing away from Lyin' Ryan's plan because they've been hearing from their constituents who are finding out about Ryan's plans for destruction and are saying "You better not vote for this".

[joeThibo]

09:57 AM on 09/02/2012

Wow I just love Liberal NYT columnist making comments about how the Republicans are divided about budget proposals
Talk about reality the liberals don't have a clue on how to budget government programs and yet they think they can identify the Republican policy in their articles.
Get over yourselves libs and work on your own budget policy problems
For the liberals to make statements about the republican budgets when they ran a government into 6 trillion in new debt is at best a joke.
Work on your own budget plan first and then lets see if the Republicans can agree on portions of the liberal budget plans
Talk about fantasyland articles this takes the cake.

[thinker43]

10:19 AM on 09/02/2012

Well, Joe, I suggest you do a little research - not on the Heritage Foundation website, but real stuff.

Not one time in the 200+ year history of this country has a Republican administration balanced the budget and not created and/or added to and left a deficit - big deficits. Republicans are the most fiscally irresponsible, fiscally stupid people in the country. They inherited billions in a surplus built by Clinton. Did they pay down the deficit with it? Nope. Did they "save it for a rainy day...like Hurricane Katrina rainy day"? Nope. They blew it! Every cent gone in less than 2 years.

And if that wasn't bad enough, they just kept on blowing money - and borrowed to do it, raising the national debt and deficit higher than it had ever been in the history of this country.

Liberals didn't run the debt to 6 trillion dollars. 99% of that is a direct result of Republican spending in the previous 8 years. Liberals were the ones who said repeatedly during the Bush Administration that the country was building up a huge deficit. Did you listen to them then? I'm guessing no. Dick Cheney, one your heroes, came right out and said "Deficits don't matter"...did you raise questions about that statement. I'm guessing no. Do you really understand why the deficit is so high now? I don't have to guess on this one...No you don't.

[joeThibo]

11:21 AM on 09/02/2012

RE: "Liberals didn't run the debt to 6 trillion dollars. 99% of that is a direct result of Republican spending in the previous 8 years."
====Now anyone who knows how government spends their money knows each years the treasury reports the sending for that year and supplies the deficit amount.
So please there are no carryover. Each and every year the government decides the amount of approved spending and pick any of the 8 years of Bush and see the government averaged about 175Billion in deficit spending
Look at the last four years of Obama and notice Obama averaged 1.3 trillion in deficit spending. You do know what deficit spending is right.
The people know who the big spenders are and spending a trillion more than Bush did is not the fault of the Republicans
Nice Liberal try but it's just another liberal lie.

[marijam]

10:21 AM on 09/02/2012

Fantasyland is forgetting who was president when the bail outs occurred and that it was BOTH democrats and republicans who allowed the bail out to happen. Now that Republicans have control of the house, nothing has gone through, or very little has gone through anyway.

[joeThibo]

11:30 AM on 09/02/2012

Go talk to Obama's buddy Reid in the Senate. The Senate hasn't passed a budget plan in three years and the last budget plan was an Obama budget with a 25% increase in spending over the last budget supplied by Bush.
Even today the spending in government is based on the Obama budget because the government is funded by continuing resolution because Reid will not pass a new budget plan. There needs to be a change in government because the liberal democrats are ignoring the law they passed to control the spending in government. Reid will not pass a budget all illegal according to the laws of congress.

[EdRea]

09:30 AM on 09/02/2012

' “The plan is the Romney plan,” said Senator John Hoeven, Republican of North Dakota. “He’s the one that’s going to drive the agenda.” '

Yes, and, what exactly is that plan?
Oh, that's right. There isn't a definite one. Not even, still.

Ryan has a plan, as we all know.
Romney does not. What's that saying?

It doesn't matter.
A Tea Congress will pass the Ryan plan to send to the pen-holding automaton.

[thinker43]

10:24 AM on 09/02/2012

Since Romney has endorsed Lyin' Ryan's plan, Ryan's plan IS Romney's plan. There is no difference now.

Frankly, I'm beginning to wonder if Romney actually could even come up with a plan on his own. I'm even beginning to wonder about those Bain decisions, if he made them or if he was just the pretty face Bain put on them and the decisions were made by others.

[Sajwert]

09:16 AM on 09/02/2012

If Republican governors approve of the budget cuts to the Feds that Ryan and Mitty have planned, they will live to see their states virtually at a standstill with economic disasters in every single corner. They will regret with a passion allowing that to happen when they find 45 kids in a class room being called a "small class", when they are stripped of all help with Medicaid and find they have a choice "let them die or throw them out on the street" in nursing homes and hospitals. When Planned Parenthood is gutted, Food Stamps are gutted, WIC is gutted, Social Services is gutted, state pensions and health care are stripped to the bone, and people rebel when their property taxes (god! in NH it is already absurd theater) are raised again and again along with higher sales taxes, they will find that Ryan and Mitty have done what the tea baggers have claimed will "get America back on track". Unfortunately, it will probably be the 1850 track of everyone for themselves and the devil take the hindmost.

[Fred Latimer]

09:31 AM on 09/02/2012

Well said.It is like Hitler's Germany ,Romney and Ryan are like Nazis,They want to cleanse
America of undesirables like the old,poor and disabled.They want a country
where the rich will live and the poor will die.I am surprised they don't make us
wear arm bands with "Not one of us" wrote on them.

[EdRea]

09:37 AM on 09/02/2012

And when there are no more federal disaster relief funds available to request after their state is hit with a natural disaster because the Ryan Plan cut them.

[nothingchanges]

09:05 AM on 09/02/2012

America's burgeoning debt is a CRISIS.

It will lead us all down the road to ruin.

YOU have to pay it down.

Me? I'm gonna lower MY taxes,

My momma didn't raise no dummies.

IMPO.........Ryan (and the Republicans) stance on the deficit, and the debt, is the height of hypocrisy. As is the Republican talking point of "It's all the Democrats fault".

It was REPUBLICAN fiscal policy that created the debt in the first place. When George W. Bush was elected, the U.S. government was running the black for the first time in decades.

Just remember.........."Reagan PROVED................deficits don't matter"

Right?

[thinker43]

10:38 AM on 09/02/2012

Republicans had a chance to pay down the deficit when Dubya took office. Did they? No, because they don't really care about debt and deficits. The Dick...Cheney said as much: "Deficits don't matter". Did any Congressional Republican call him on that? Did anyone from the Heritage Foundation call him on that? Of course not. A, because they're cowards and B, because they agreed with him.

How many times during the Bush Administration did Congressional Democrats try to tell the public what was happening, how fast the debt was growing and how big the deficit was becoming and the Republicans shouted them down every time. Just think about 2 major programs passed by Republicans under Dubya: Medicare Part D and No Child Left Behind. Neither of those was funded by budget cuts or revenue increases. Apparently Republicans thought they could wrinkle their noses and money would just appear to pay for those programs!

Fiscally irresponsible and fiscally stupid - that's the only way to describe the handling of the budget by Republicans.

[donnyraindog]

08:56 AM on 09/02/2012

Any long term budget philosophy that doesn't envision major downsizing on defense is not serious about the deficit.

[742]

10:25 AM on 09/02/2012

Absolutely the key to the recovery of the American middle class.

[ramal]

08:30 AM on 09/02/2012

How ironic that Ryan has been a Federal Employee for most of his working life and now he wants a promotion, yet he still vilifies and berates his employer at every turn to the point of wanting to put it
out of business.

[Sajwert]

09:19 AM on 09/02/2012

The ONLY thing that reeks of hypocrisy is the fact that when the tea baggers and Republicans talk about SMALL GOVERNMENT, they NEVER, EVER talk about doing away with people who have made their life long job being in government's congress. They talk about cutting everyone in the public sector, but are adamant that they should be where they are and for life if possible.

[742]

10:26 AM on 09/02/2012

And where is his private job creation bonafides? Still running the marathon?