* Says pain of past failures, dire consequences to ease deal

* Less cooks in negotiating kitchen a good idea

* Decides against governor's run, has unfinished Senate work

By David Lawder and Kim Dixon

WASHINGTON, Nov 20 (Reuters) - Mark Warner, a Democratic U.S. senator who had a seat at the negotiating table for past failed attempts at a deficit reduction deal, says this time will be different.

In an interview with Reuters, Warner said he was optimistic Congress would reach a deal to avert the "fiscal cliff" of tax hikes and spending cuts due to be triggered in January and also commit to a longer-term framework to get the U.S. debt under control.

"We've seen this movie before," the senator from Virginia, who has been mentioned as a possible White House candidate in 2016, said on Tuesday. "Why is this ending going to be different?"

Warner, who sits on the Senate Budget Committee and belongs to the "Gang of Eight" bipartisan group of senators working to develop a deficit reduction plan, laid out three reasons.

One is that Congress will not want to repeat the dismal failure of the last two attempts at a deal, in last year's debt limit fight and supercommittee talks. Those failures set up the current showdown.

Two: the business community has come out in full force advocating a balanced deal that will give lawmakers some political cover for making sacrifices to meet in the middle on tax increases and entitlement spending cuts.

Three: "The consequences are so dire of getting this wrong," Warner said.

Going over the fiscal cliff would mean 600 billion worth of tax increases and spending cuts starting on Jan. 2, a move that could be disastrous for a still tenuous recovery.

Not taking action to bring the $16 trillion U.S. national debt under control also risks a European-style financial crisis and austerity measures.

Warner's confidence a deal will be struck echoes the heartening noises coming from the White House and congressional leaders - a sentiment that soothed jittery markets on Friday and Monday.

President Barack Obama and congressional Democrats want Bush-era tax cuts to expire on the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans. Republicans oppose raising income-tax rates, but have proposed raising some revenues through tax reform measures. They also want cuts to "entitlement" programs such as the Medicare healthcare program for the elderly.

Warner says there is a recognition that finding a middle ground will pay huge dividends for growth and cement U.S. economic pre-eminence in the world.

"There is such a positive upside to getting this right." Warner said. "Frankly, getting this right will have more significance for job creation than anything that the president or Governor (Mitt) Romney talked about on a specific programmatic basis during the campaign."

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke also spoke on Tuesday about the huge upside of a deal that avoids the fiscal cliff and lays the groundwork for a longer-term deficit-reduction plan.

"Cooperation and creativity to deliver fiscal clarity - in particular, a plan for resolving the nation's long-term budget issues without harming the recovery - could help make the new year a very good one for the American economy," Bernanke told the Economic Club of New York.

Conversely, Bernanke warned that the Fed lacked the tools to be able to compensate for a failure by Obama and Congress to avoid the fiscal cliff.


STAYING IN SENATE

Warner, with two years to go in his first Senate term, announced on Tuesday he would not heed calls for him to run again for Virginia governor in 2013, a post he held from 2002 to 2006.

Warner cited the fiscal cliff as top among the unfinished work he has in the Senate, along with immigration reform, education improvements and a revamp of energy policy.

He described himself as obsessed with putting the United States on a sustainable fiscal path.

Warner has spent the better part of the past year working with the Gang of Eight to craft a potential framework that would lead to some $4 trillion in deficit reduction.

For now, however, Warner said he was watching intently from the sidelines as Obama, House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and other congressional leaders start negotiations.

"The notion of less cooks in the kitchen may be worthwhile," he said.

But he is ready to add the Gang of Eight's "work product" into the mix of proposals at an appropriate time.

Like many in Congress, he envisions a short-term deal to blunt the impact of automatic spending cuts, coupled with a commitment to shrink deficits through tax reforms and entitlement cuts next year.

"Everybody acknowledges that you're not going to rewrite the tax code in the 12 legislative days left. You've got to make enough of a down payment to pass the market smell test."

Returning the top two tax rates to their levels during the Clinton administration is the "cleanest" way to get needed revenue, which may actually help tax reform efforts next year that would reduce rates and eliminate credits and deductions, he said.

Warner, a successful telecoms investor and entrepreneur, said he also believed that taxes on capital gains should go up, but should still be about 10 percentage points lower than the top rate for regular income, compared with the current 20-point gap. (Additional reporting By Richard Cowan; Editing by Karey Wutkowski and Peter Cooney)

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    In his last offer to House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), President Barack Obama lobbied for $16 billion in cuts from the military's health care program, TRICARE. In 2012, the president also proposed hiking fees for military personnel and veterans who receive benefits under the program in an effort to help cut the defense budget. His proposal drew significant fire from Republican lawmakers and veterans' groups.

  • Military Retirement Program - $11 Billion

    Both sides agreed to cuts from the military retirement program. Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.) claimed during July 2011 talks that lawmakers had reached a tentative deal to slash <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/11/fiscal-cliff-talks-medicare-social-security_n_2113259.html" target="_hplink">$11 billion</a>. Under the current system, military personnel receive immediate retirement benefits after serving for 20 years. According to a recent report from the Congressional Budget Office, the appropriation cost per active military service member has <a href="http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43574" target="_hplink">increased at a higher rate</a> than either inflation or the total pay package of private-sector employees. Given the budget constraints looming before the Defense Department, the CBO floated the idea of transitioning the military retirement program to a matching-payment model.

  • Federal Employee Retirement Program - $33 -$36 Billion

    Cantor claimed that Republicans and Democrats had agreed to <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/11/fiscal-cliff-talks-medicare-social-security_n_2113259.html" target="_hplink">$36 billion in savings</a> over 10 years from civilian retirement programs. The president proposed a marginally more modest figure of <a href="http://presspass.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/11/15089281-white-house-grand-bargain-offer-to-speaker-boehner-obtained-by-bob-woodward#.UKCJftkTtS8.twitter" target="_hplink">$33 billion</a> in his final offer to House Speaker John Boehner. Just this year, Republicans in the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform also looked to find savings from the Federal Employee Retirement System by <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/house-committee-approves-measure-upping-federal-employee-contributions-to-retirement-plan/2012/04/26/gIQAuoW6iT_blog.html" target="_hplink">requiring employees to pay more of their salary</a> into their pensions, which Democrats opposed as a pay cut that would make civil service less attractive for top talent. In September 2011, the federal government employed <a href="http://www.fedscope.opm.gov/cognos/cgi-bin/ppdscgi.exe?DC=Q&E=/FSe%20-%20Status/Employment%20-%20September%202012&LA=en&LO=en-us&BACK=/cognos/cgi-bin/ppdscgi.exe?toc=%2FFSe%20-%20Status&LA=en&LO=en-us" target="_hplink">over two million individuals</a>, either through the cabinets or independent agencies. Many Republicans have complained that the federal workforce has ballooned during the Obama administration, and while the raw number of employees has risen by <a href="http://www.thefactfile.com/2012/01/23/the-size-of-the-federal-workforce-rapid-growth-for-some-stagnation-for-others/" target="_hplink">14.4 percent</a> between Sept. 2007 and Sept. 2011, the percentage of public employees out of the total civilian workforce has <a href="http://www.thefactfile.com/2012/01/23/the-size-of-the-federal-workforce-rapid-growth-for-some-stagnation-for-others/" target="_hplink">remained fairly constant</a> around 1.2 percent since 2001. Much of the raw growth has been concentrated in the Department of Defense, Veteran's Affairs and Homeland Security.

  • Agricultural Subsidies - $30 - $33 Billion

    Democrats and Republicans agreed to cut as much as <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/12/fiscal-cliff-barack-obama-_n_2118739.html" target="_hplink">$30 billion</a> from agricultural subsidies; the main opposition fell along geographical lines rather than partisan ones. Hailing from an agriculture-heavy state, Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) threatened to pull out of talks entirely if a deal included that much in subsidy reduction. The president ended up pushing for <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/11/fiscal-cliff-talks-medicare-social-security_n_2113259.html" target="_hplink">$33 billion in cuts</a>, but that figure also included reductions in conservation programs. Baucus now tells HuffPost any cuts should be made through the farm bill, not fiscal cliff talks.

  • Food Stamps - $2 to $20 Billion

    Cantor pushed hard for significant cuts to food stamps, formally known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. He charged that the federal government could save as much as <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/11/fiscal-cliff-talks-medicare-social-security_n_2113259.html" target="_hplink">$20 billion over ten years</a> by eliminating waste and fraud, but the White House countered that the real number was closer to $2 billion. Instead, those cuts would force the program to scale back on the number of enrollees and the level of benefits it could offer.

  • Flood Assistance - $4 Billion

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    The president offered to cut <a href="http://presspass.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/11/15089281-white-house-grand-bargain-offer-to-speaker-boehner-obtained-by-bob-woodward#.UKCJftkTtS8.twitter" target="_hplink">$110 billion over the next decade</a> from the government's health care spending, excluding Medicare. Among the programs that could lose crucial funding is home health care, where Democrats and Republicans agreed to <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/11/fiscal-cliff-talks-medicare-social-security_n_2113259.html" target="_hplink">$50 billion in reductions</a> over ten years. Cantor pushed for closer to $300 billion in spending cuts to health care, but Democrats appeared to stand firm.

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  • Medicaid And Other Health- $110 Billion

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  • Social Security - $112 Billion

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  • Bush Tax Cuts For The Wealthy - $950 Billion

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