A Warrior for Another Time

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Posted May 7, 2008 | 12:14 PM (EST)



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Ever since this campaign shifted into overdrive, I've been wishing it was like some sort of Time Traveler's Checkerboard. If we could plug some dynamics of this year into 2000, or 2004, imagine how much less glum we'd all be now, as Americans, and how much less grim our circumstances would be

I've watched as Hillary Clinton has fought like a tiger throughout the primary season. She and her staffers have at times been ruthless and heavy-handed. Prominent reporters and commentators have been smacked upside the head for perceived transgressions. MSNBC's David Shuster was yanked off the air for a couple of weeks for daring to say something unseemly in reference to Chelsea Clinton. His on-air colleague, Chris Matthews, was deluged with "how DARE you's" from viewers who perceived him as sexist in general and anti-Hillary in particular. Randi Rhodes was pulled from Air America for daring to say unflattering things about Hillary and supporter Geraldine Ferraro during an off-the-air stand-up comedy routine.

I thought that kind of thing only happened to media people who didn't fall in line and stay in line about George W. Bush.

It makes me wonder what might have happened, back in 2000, if the ferociousness of the Hillary movement had been in play against Junior, instead of the gentile adult Al Gore. He took the high road, and a rather thoughtful, professorial one at that, rather than fighting tooth and nail, and throwing a few sucker punches. Hillary wouldn't have been so kind. She's proven she's willing to mud-wrestle. What if we'd had some of that back then?

And in 2004, would she have allowed herself to be swiftboated the way John Kerry did? Would she have let that stand without an instant smack-back -- and probably a fairly nasty one? Would she have decided "not to dignify those charges with a response," and let the toxins seep all the way in before she had a change of heart? I seriously doubt it.

Let's go back farther. What if the Clinton Offense Juggernaut that we've seen throttle the likes of Shuster, Matthews, and Rhodes for perceived transgressions had gone after Lucianne Goldberg, Ken Starr, Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, and the rest of the Clinton-hating Lewinsky-obsessed? What if there had been a cyclone of outrage roaring back at them, outshouting them, sucking the oxygen out of their rooms, putting their jobs in jeopardy, and returning insinuation for insinuation? What if there'd been a campaign of aggressive, relentless counter-strikes, imposing consequences, (more than Newt's resignation from the Speakership), and changing the subject so they were suddenly playing defense?

I've often wished I could lift the blood-thirsty, hit-'em-below-the-belt Clinton machine from this year and drop it in one of those earlier years. We needed her style of guts and gumption then, back when too many Democrats and liberals were muted, or cowed, or joined the pile-on against Bill Clinton. Anyone anywhere could say ratty things about him, and her, and even Chelsea -- with impunity. You had to scrounge for the Lanny Davises and a rag-tag band of lesser lights to find anybody willing to stick up for them in public against the pack of talking-head jackals.

What if there had, indeed, been consequences for that? What if there'd been a backlash, a push-back, by the Clintons, where there was a price to be paid for striking at them, rather than a bonus to be enjoyed if you ate them for lunch?

What if? How about eight years not lost -- in the pursuit of an economy that benefits those at the bottom as well as those at the top, or an energy policy that doesn't involve overseas bloodshed and bleeding wallets at every visit to the gas pump, or perhaps a head start on heading off the momentum of global warming, or a government that was still based on the Constitution, separation of powers, separation of church and state, and the moral high ground rather than the perversion of all four? Some of the madness we've seen overtaking this country since the Republicans gained the low ground might have been circumvented if we'd had Hillary-style hardball played against them more often.

She's said she'll work her heart out for the Democratic nominee. I hope so, because we need that, especially if Barack Obama becomes the Good Cop at the top. We still need her, and the Bad Cop role is one she obviously relishes.

But, man! What we might have accomplished, and what nightmares might have been avoided, if she'd been firing on all cylinders like this -- during a few campaigns past...

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Paradox: if the Clintons had time-traveled to avoid being beaten up by the nastier politics of days of yore, or G. W. Bush had not been made president in such farsical circumstances, the Clintons would not have the vicious campaign they are currently running, and thus there would be no current tougher campaign to transplant into the past to defend them (or the Democrats) back then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 05/07/2008

I wonder what it would be like if I won the Powerball in 2000. Ah, it's great to imagine what could have been.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 05/07/2008

Oh yes! The "courageous" Hillary Clinton - the person who cynically voted to attack a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, posed us no threat, and had no WMDs.

And she is now courageous enough to fail to admit what a horrible error her decision was. No thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 05/07/2008

She still would have been HRC, and still fundamentally unsuited to being president. Not to mention she would have been running at a time when the country was reeling from the whole Lewinsky fiasco (which I wasn't a fan of). We really didn't need more Clinton in 2000.

At the time I was a fan of Bill's, but never liked HRC. Like HRC even less now, and like Bill about as much as HRC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 05/07/2008

We assume all people, by instinct, will fight for themselves: fight for food, water, shelter so they can survive. Some people go beyond that instinctive level, and fight for others, fight to make sure that their children, for example, have food and water and shelter. Some people go beyond that and will fight for their neighbors, their friends, their city or their country, or for complete strangers, will stand up and fight for the rights of all people to have a decent life. We have names for those people, like heroes, leaders, inspirations, legends.

Hillary never got past step one. She fights for herself, to get more money and more power for herself. She never fought for the rest of us. She's out campaigning claiming that she will fights for jobs, but she's been silent over the past many years when so many of our jobs were taken to third world countries to be done by slave, child, or prison labor. She's out campaining against the war, but she voted for it for her own political advantage, and has done nothing to try to stop it. She's not inspirational, not heroic. She's self-centered and, in modern terms, she's "all about herself."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 05/07/2008

HRC is so caught up in her fight that she is now fighting herself. Her obliterate Iran remark is in direct contrast to this comment she made last year.

Presidents should be very careful at all times in discussing the use or nonuse of nuclear weapons," Clinton said. "Presidents since the Cold War have used nuclear deterrence to keep the peace. And I don't believe that any president should make any blanket statements with respect to the use or nonuse of nuclear weapons."
Reported by ABC 8/2/07 Jake Tapper

Some bullied children will grow up to be bullies. I think this is what has happened to HRC politically.
BHO fights differently and here is an example:

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010303303_pf.html -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 05/08/2008

All of your "What if...?" questions beg for an answer to the real question. *What has changed?*

The fact that you ask us meaningless questions about the nature of Clinton instead of the correct one, doesn't matter. The fact that you are asking questions *here* does. The internet has come of age. That is the real answer.

That most of us could have seen through the lies in the past, would not have mattered. We would not have been able to effectively counter them... simply because the interconnectivity had not yet evolved to the point that now exists. Our response would have been ineffective. We are the difference... not always our particular points of view, but the willingness to openly share it and accept feedback from those who agree and disagree.

We have participatory democracy now. Not fully, but to a much greater degree than has ever existed in this country. When those who have had the time to reflect back on this primary report their conclusions, it will become patently obvious that no candidate in their right mind will ever run a race in the way the Clinton campaign chose.

They set themselves up for defeat because they refused to acknowledge the likes of YouTube and the blogosphere. They were self-deluded from the start and instead of recognizing the fact, after almost everyone made it clearly evident to them, responded instead by destroying and dividing. If you won't play by my rules....

Those days are over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 05/07/2008

I agree.

But at the same time, I merely fervently hope so. Because it's hard to believe that the people in charge right now haven't left too deep a taint to be cleansed far enough to let democracy, truth, integrity, and intelligence work and our government's organization run effectively checked and balanced once more.

Not to mention, after seeing the endless cycling of manufactured Wright controversy and the uneducated refusing to use their brains and the Internet, it's hard to believe that--even if we ARE well into a reformed democracy--that it will help. I still have faith in the American people, but whereas "a person can be smart, people are mindless animals." And we keep seeing the tendency of people who should know better refusing to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 05/07/2008

"But, man! What we might have accomplished, and what nightmares might have been avoided, if ". . . .
SHE HAD WON IN 2008.

That's what you can write in a few years, Mary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 05/07/2008

Part of the draw of having a woman president is that women are better listeners, communicators, willing to work with others, more honest and have more integrity than men. Hillary did not show any of this during her campaign, hence the comments by Carville about her having more balls and one of her superdelegates saying she has "testicular fortitude." She ran this campaign like the "boys" and it backfired.

I never saw her as a fighter but as someone desperate to hold onto what she believes is rightfully hers. it has nothing to do with the American people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 05/07/2008

Forget 2000. If Hillary had gone to war against Dubya SINCE 2000, she'd be the next president today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 05/07/2008

Hear Hear. Hillary is no fighter. Her record proves it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 05/07/2008

Interesting essay.

But you forgot that Hillary had a chance to fight Bush: She could have voted against the war. How many other battles can you name that are more worthy of a fight?

She fights for power--to herself, but nothing else. And she has a lifetime of experiences doing just that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 05/07/2008

In my opinion, determination minus style, substance, deftness, vision, and most of all honor, is a primitive thing, a one eyed, flat nose, broken bottle swinging bar room brawler, that keeps struggling, spitting and swearing long after they are broken and strait jacketed,...

This kind of person has no place in the white house, no place on the world stage of policy making, the face of our America to the world¦

Though maybe in that new show where they allow ex-politicians fight one another the wrestling ring...?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 05/07/2008

No, thanks. If Hillary had run and won in 2000, she would have had the momentum of her husband's habit of successfully passing inequitable free trade treaties behind her without the light of the enormous bill that is now coming due that now shines on them.

She'd have sold America all the way down the river.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 05/07/2008

Like Hillary or not I have to say "my girls got some man size nuts on her." She take no s*** from the white owned male dominated media and would kick most guys asses who post here. Run Hillary run!!! This is good for the party whether you "pussy liberal" Obama Lover like it or not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 05/07/2008

That's what makes this site so wonderful: thoughtful words from a reasonable person who shows respect for his or her fellow readers.

And name-calling serves what purpose, exactly? Just asking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 05/07/2008

To suggest that we would have avoided the worst abuses of George W. Bush had Clinton been the candidate is very disingenuous. Hillary Clinton would never take up the cause of poor americans if it did not benefit her politically and her foreign policy would have been no different than Bush as we can see now that she has come out of the closet as a full-pledged neocon just as nutty and dangerous as Bush. It is not without reason that she is embraced by many right wingers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 05/07/2008

She lost a primary against Mr. Niceguy for heavens sake. Get a grip, people. What do you think would have happened against a Rovian machine at full swing?

The American people were blood thirsty four years ago. The Republicans gave them blood.

Now the American people are thirsty for truth. Senator Clinton does not have enough of that rare material to compete.

Sorry... but in history hindsight is 20/20 and useless. The day belongs to those who understand the future, not to those who live in the past.

Let it go and groom yourself a new generation of female politicians. Probably one that is inspired by Senator Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 05/07/2008

And where was she when Al Gore needed her?
Running for Senate in NY & siphoning off the best talent & monies to pursue her own agenda!
The same again when John Kerry was getting swiftboated.

The Clintons had no real interest in the good of the Party then, nor do they now.
They most especially did not want John Kerry to win because he be running for a second term as President right now & she'd still be on the sidelines
Sen. Clinton chose then, as she does now; to use her many "warrior/bad-cop" skills to save her own ass & advance her own cause. Not the Democratic Party & certainly not the country

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 05/07/2008

You bring up some interesting points, Mary. However, her tactics you so glowingly applaud have been used on a member of her own party. And I and many others find that unconscionable. One can only hope that she will do everything in her power to help repair the rift within the democratic party for which she is largely responsible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 05/07/2008

What lies exactly were told about Kerry? The phrase 'Swift-Boated' is so overused that it has become an accepted truth in left leaning circles without merit. The truth is Kerry still has not released his military records in full pertaining to what was said about him. The men who served honorably with him, have not been proven false in their statements - so what lies are you accusing these honorable men of?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 05/07/2008

Hear, hear!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 05/07/2008

It's best not to live in "what if" land.....because it IS Fantasy Land (hey, that could be a new political theme park).

How about just looking back at Hillary's record.... which speaks for itself. Who care if she's got balls.... she won't use them for the common good, but rather, to further destroy the economy and force people into her insane systems towards solutions... whether it hurts the average american man or not.

Strong arming people like Hillary has done to reporters, and McCain just recently did to the preacher who asked him if he called his wife the "c" word (he was escorted out by agents and "questioned" extensively before being released. Questioned of course meaning intimidated..... is what has been going on since Bushscumb got into office.....and it needs to stop!!

I want my FREE SPEECH back damn it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 05/07/2008

You never lost your FREE SPEECH!!! You are still in America RIGHT?!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 05/07/2008

But what you dream about *did* happen back in 2000!
Internet Al got set up for defeat by the Clinton gang when he tried to be holier-than-thou and distance himself from Bubba's pesky peckerdillos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 05/07/2008
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