Will Obama Win Enough White Votes to Beat McCain?

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Hillary and her supporters aren't giving up on her arguments that she's the most electable candidate because she's won among blue-collar whites. She told USA Today in an article published today:

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA Today. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."


"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.

Clinton's blunt remarks about race came a day after primaries in Indiana and North Carolina dealt symbolic and mathematical blows to her White House ambitions.

Yet Obama doesn't need a majority of blue-collar white voters to win the general election, and he's unlikely to win them all over. All he needs is enough whites in his coalition of liberals,concerned middle-class people worried about the economy, some fed-up blue-collar workers, enthusiasic young people and college students, and the 90%-plus of African-Americans to piece together a winning coalition. Indeed, he's competitive or ahead in several of the states that Hillary says that only she can win, including Ohio and Pennsyvlania. In fact, it's worth remembering that no Democratic presidential candidate since LBJ has won a majority of white voters. The search for these blue-collar "Reagan Democrats" to stay
with the Democrats may be as elusive as the search for the "NASCAR Dads" before the 2004 election, who had previously voted less than 30% for Democrats. As an ABC pollster observed before that Kerry vs. Bush election:

When we run data from our recent polls we find that married, middle- and lower-income white men account for a single-digit share of the national population, and support President Bush in precisely the same proportion as all white men. (Make it rural white men, and it goes down to low single digits.) And white men, particularly Southern white men, are a solidly Republican group, highly unlikely to swing anywhere, anyhow.

For good measure, we checked rural, suburban or small city married white men with children and incomes under $50,000 in the 2000 exit poll. They accounted for 2 percent of all voters, and supported Bush over Gore by 70 percent to 27 percent. You really want to call this a swing voter group?


Apparently white people hold a grudge for a long time: ever since Democrats pushed for African-American voting rights and integration, most whites haven't voted for a Democratic presidential candidate for over 40 years, even as the racial animus got translated into a cleaned-up anti-govenment, anti-crime, anti-tax message. The full story is told in such brilliant books as Chain Reaction co-authored by Huffington Post political director Thomas Edsall, well-chronicled in this early 90s' essay on the Democats' increasingly alienated white working-class and middle-class supporters who now potentially can be won back in hard times, especially after the Republican crack-up.

This Thursday, on the weekly "D'Antoni and Levine Show," with my co-host Portland broadcaster and HuffPost blogger, Tom D'Antoni, we explored these racial dynamics in the primary races ahead and in the general election. The show featured Washington, D.C. analyst Ian Fried, who is also Director of Blue Catapult Political Action Committee (bluecatapult.com), which supports Democratic congressional candidates challenging Republican-held seats. In the past he has worked in Congress and taught courses at various universities, including American University in Washington. You can read Ian's observations and insights in his posts to The Seminal blog (www.theseminal.com).

Fried is one of the best number-crunchers this side of NBC's political director Chuck Todd, and he also explored the impact Obama and Clinton could have on House and Senate races in the fall, making the case that he will be the stronger candidate.

Actually, it seems, Hillary isn't just playing the race card, she's playing the race deck -- throwing everything she can against the wall about Obama to see what sticks, in a last-ditch effort to convinces the superdelegates. But a nuanced look at the racial dynamics at Real Clear Politics, found that Obama's reduced some of the defections among whites since Ohio and Pennsylvania. That outlet's analyst found:

Clinton did about as well in Indiana as she did in Pennsylvania and Ohio with white men, white Protestants, and seniors. However, beyond this, she suffered a decline among her best groups. Notice in particular her decline among white women, white Catholics, and union households. Basically, the core of her voting bloc was still with her, but Obama picked off a larger portion of it than he did in Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Some observers argue by speaking so bluntly about race, and invoking Jesse Helms/George Wallace-type comments about "hard-working" white people, she's playing to racial and class stereotypes again. At the Moderate Voice, blogger Elrod points out:

Well, if the USA Today interview with Clinton today is accurate, then she just made an appalling gaffe that goes well beyond the Bittergate comment.

She made the case for her continuation in the campaign by referencing her ability to win a broader coalition against the Republicans in the fall. One element of that coalition that has responded to her, and not to Obama, is non-college educated whites - particularly older ones. But instead of using the typical "blue collar voters" frame, she employed explicitly racial language that closely comports with classic racist rhetoric from the likes of George Wallace and Jesse Helms in the past.

She said, without baiting, that she wins "working, hard-working Americans, white Americans," and Obama cannot reach such voters. The implication is, of course, that hard-working goes hand-in-hand with white. Never mind that Obama has won hard-working black Americans, or that he's won whites everywhere outside the South and the Rust Belt.

The "hard-working Americans, white Americans" is a classic Wallace/Helms/Buchanan equation of whiteness with hard work and honesty. The opposite is either effete white intellectuals who don't work, or lazy blacks who also don't work. In fact, the Reagan coalition GOP even dropped the word "white," knowing that "hard-working" and "law-abiding" already implied, in their minds, white people.

I don't think Hillary Clinton really believes that only white people are hard-working. But she has to know that such phrasing is downright toxic given the racially polarized electorate in the primary. She has been accused - often unfairly - of race-baiting throughout the campaign. But this comment takes the cake and one can only hope it was a slip of the tongue and nothing else.

What makes this worse is the timing. She thinks the next big race is West Virginia and Kentucky (and Oregon) where she assumes that appeals to white working class voters are especially appropriate. The problem is that the people she needs to appeal to are the superdelegates, not voters in states with minimal delegate counts. She is trying to make the case for her electability to the superdelegates. But in doing so, she is treading on poisonous water that must make Democratic superdelegates cringe.


Will Hillary split apart the Democratic Party by demanding the full-seating of all Florida and Michigan delegates? Can Obama win enough whites in the primaries ahead to make his case as the stronger candidate in the fall in November? Can he help build a Democratic majority that is truly powerful enough to move a progressive agenda? Those questions are still to be definitively answered, but a head start towards understanding them came today with Ian Fried's trenchant analysis, now online at BlogTalk Radio.

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You can hear more about this year's election controversies, voting rights and the latest political trends on "The D'Antoni and Levine Show," with my co-host Tom D'Antoni, a Huffington Post blogger, every Thursday at 5:30 p.m., EST, at BlogTalk Radio

 
 

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This is incredible. The polling data shows Clinton winning outright over McCain and Obama being at best tied. She wins so far in FL, IA, OH by a large margin. Only a fool would think that Obama is a strong candidate against McCain. The fact is that Obama has programs and policies that will not get him more votes. He can't even come up with any plan about high gasoline prices and doesn't think it important enough to even try! THAT is being out of touch.

How about calling on Bush to stop taking oil OFF the market and putting into the SPR? How about saying he will crack down on the oil speculators and dump oil onto the market from the SPR. THAT will crash the oil speculators and drive down the price.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 05/10/2008

How about diminishing supply of a finite resource that no one person can address as a problem to solve? How about a national movement towards energy conservation and retooling of workers and rebuilding of infrastructure? How about a national rethinking of standard of living for the good of securing the futures of children yet to be born? How about it is going to take the sacrifice of the masses to achieve transformation of our energy layer? How about John McCain is simply not the answer for a post industrial world requiring insight and vision that frankly escapes the man, not because of age but because of who he is as revealed in the public record. McCain is interested in being president and oh if I can solve a problem or two for the American people while I am president, well isn"t that nice. Obama may not be the answer but McCain is the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 05/10/2008

As a retired oil man, I can tell you that there is NO oil shortage that will hit in my lifetime or the near future. The oil shale in the Rockies has enough oil to meet the entire needs of the US at present rates of consumption for over 100 years. There are literally thousands of capped oil wells in Texas that have not been restarted. Peak oil has been touted ever since the 1920s and have ALL been WRONG! Venezuela has more oil that can be recovered with current technology now, and those reserves have more oil than the ENTIRE Mideast.
As a member of the masses, it used to be called the great unwashed masses in elitist terms, I am pissed that the support for high prices only hurts the masses and the wealthy can drive to their hearts content. BIGOT!
Post industrial is STUPID! We need to make things. THAT is called industry. We don't have Star Trek technology yet which will produce goods with no effort. Again, elitism at work in disdaining the FACT that SOMEBODY has to make what YOU use.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 05/11/2008

Peak Oil is principally founded on the theories of a gentleman named M. King Hubbert who was a geophysicist. Read here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubbert_peak_theory

http://lifeaftertheoilcrash.net


Peak oil is a theory and a great deal of the information I have read debunks the tar sand and oil shale hypothesis with a single statement concerning the cost effectiveness of those solutions. When the price of oil is at $200.00 a barrel those solutions may start to look more attractive. The term in oil is light sweet crude. It is not the tenets of the peak oil theory that oil will run out, no, only cheap oil will run out which will be enough to dramatically upset the status quo. I do not know if it"s true but there is some logic within the theory and therefore I do not totally dismiss it. If America has all the oil you are talking about under capped oil wells, now would be a good time to start using some of it. Also if that is the case why is over 60% of our oil imported from so many countries who we have issue with like Iran, Russia, and Venezuela?

As for post industrial, that is the message being sent by the government as factories are shipped elsewhere. We are fast becoming manipulators and sellers of information as our top product. This is said to be by design and by natural order of the progression of civilized societies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 05/12/2008

As a white Vietnam era veteran, I will not be voting for Obama which is a great disappointment to me. When he announced, I was for him, until I looked at his web site and proposals, then I supported Edwards since he had the best program. Clinton has the second best proposals in her web site and speeches. She and McCain at least recognize that oil prices are way too high and something has to be done about it NOW! Obama agrees with Bush that the current situation is good, and that releasing oil from the SPR, taking oil OFF the market, and doing nothing about oil speculation is also good. This is a program that hurts the working man. The elites can afford high gas prices, the lower classes cannot.

Obama's health care program leaves me out and will do nothing to help me and the rest of the uninsured. He will take money from me in taxes to give health care to the poor, and make me pay for mine, and when I get ill, I get NOTHING if I can't. Gee, any wonder why most white working people don't want to vote for him? He wants the Chamber of Commerce plan for illegal immigration to help the corporations drive down wages and compete against black, white and Hispanic workers who are less educated. Until Obama and Democrats decide that they should fight for the ordinary people, they will LOSE! If Obama wins, I will lose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 05/10/2008

Great post. Clinton's comments this week were outrageous and given all that's happened so far should not be chalked up to a slip of the tongue but rather to an effort to build a lopsided victory in West Virginia and Kentucky that she can use in a final appeal to the Super Delegates. Yesterday 9 of those Super Delegates let her know that her attempt to take the Democratic party back to the good ole days of 1950s Dixie was not appreciated. Good on them. As for Hillary...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 05/10/2008

No the Question is will the White Voter Kill more American Soldiers for there entertainment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 05/10/2008

What a stupid question- Will Obama win enough white votes! How in the world do you think he is the leader in total votes. There surely aren't that many black voter in this USA. I'm a white woman, eighty years old, and for the first time in my life I have donated to a campaign. That's how much I think of Obama. I'm also tired of listening to all these so called experts that get paid for their personal opinions. For the future of our country and possibly the world - OBAMA/08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 05/10/2008

Obama will not get the latino vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 05/10/2008

stop speaking for an entire group of people as though you can read their minds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 05/10/2008

Nor will he get the working class white vote.

He's really going to have to turn out huge numbers of AAs and academics and hacky-sackers to stand a chance against McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 05/10/2008

If Richardson is made VP, he might could.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 05/10/2008

"Will Obama Win Enough White Votes to Beat McCain?"
At the end of the day, the big day, November 4, the answer will be a resounding yes!!
Every small r racist to big R racist will face a decision between these two men. The decision will be made by answering the question, do you wish to continue with the policies of Bush, are you pleased with the direction of your life, your family's life, under Bush, or do you believe America needs a new direction. If the answer is no, I don't want more Bush style government, and yes, America needs a new direction, BUT I won't vote for a black man, YOU'RE SCREWED. I believe our blue-collar, green-collar, purple-collar fellow citizens will show themselves to be a tad bit smarter than that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 05/10/2008

It's not about race, but the more Obama-supporters make it about race, the more it's going to hurt Obama. It's about class. If Colin Powell were running, those same working class whites would have no qualms about voting for him.

Obama's problem isn't skin color, it's class. He cannot project strength and clarity. He's far too ruminative and philosophical and "soft".

But keep deriding anyone who doesn't support him as a racist and see how much white support he ends up with in November. You're setting him up to deal with a backlash.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 05/10/2008

ImHotep,

Nearly every interaction between Caucasians and African Americans is about race. You obviously have never been dark skinned. So you are in no position to be trying to speak as if you know what the lives of African Americans are like.

Anyway, the SUPREME BEING CAME TO me back on February 3rd early in the morning and spoke to me. I know it was the SUPREME BEING because it had woolly, white hair, and feet like Brass as if they burned in a furnace. The voice was powerful and like the sound of many rushing waters. The SUPREME BEING said that nneither Barack, nor Hillary would get enough votes to win the nomination outright. It will go to the convention where one of the Super Delegates will nominate Al Gore. After clearing his throat and Aw shucksing, Gore will accept. Then he will ask Barack to be his Vice President.

When the Republicans get to their convention, someone will nominate Dick Cheney. He will accept and then he will ask Condoleeza Rice to be his president.. Of course she will accept, and everything will be set for the final act in the downfall of the USA.

http://clyde.buildlastingsuccess.com

AmenRa

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 05/10/2008

For example the kind of rhethoric below ( from a post on another blog.) is DEADLY for Obama, Notice the use of the words PUNISH HER RACISM at the end. THAT is backlash material:

."The Clintons have been tailoring a subtle racist message for their whole campaign, attempting to paint Obama as if he is in the Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton mode. They have mastered the area of public discourse where Whites believe something is neutral while Blacks believe it to be racist

With Hillary's and Bill's outright racist assertion regarding Barack's inability to get "hard working" white worker votes, they have crossed that line. Everyone but hard core racists like Pat Buchanan, Moron Joe and his adoring little sister Mika Zbig know the Clintons are playing the racism card now. Given that Barack has won more pledged delegates under the System , superdelegates must endorse NOW to punish her racism."

Obama supporters get a grip , if you want him to win . Think what you want, but tone down the racist accusations.It is not doing Obama justice as a man for all people!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 05/10/2008

Ignoring or denying a problem has never served as a solution. This election is not about the candidates. It is a profile on the American people. Is America bigot land? We shall know soon enough and no amount of denial or spin is going to change the result. I love hypocrisy exposed and I could give a damn who gets to be president in the face of that exposure. America the beautiful indeed!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 05/10/2008

Why is this difficult. Racism exists, and it exists in some x% of voters, but x < 100%.
You are aware of the Southern Strategy, Richard Nixon, the backbone of Republican ascendency of the last 30 years. It requires an imaginative mind to read into my words that I believe everyone not voting for Obama is a racist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 05/10/2008

It's interesting that everyone's decided he doesn't win over working class whites because he's black.
I guess Kerry and Dukakis were black, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 AM on 05/10/2008

Exactly. It's much more about Obama's persona, which is in the same academic, liberal, distant mold as Kerry and Dukakis.

But his smug and self-righteous supporters can't resist branding all opponents as racists. The GOP must be licking its chops right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 05/10/2008

I heard from Lanny Davis, of all people, that Jimmy Carter had the same problem getting the white working class vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 05/10/2008

"She has been accused - often unfairly - of race-baiting throughout the campaign. But this comment takes the cake and one can only hope it was a slip of the tongue and nothing else."

She, along with her philandering, disbarred husband, has been race-baiting since Day One of this campaign. Why do people keep insisting on giving her the benefit of the doubt? (that's rhetorical, btw) When she's clearly lying (e.g., Bosnia sniper fire), she didn't really mean it. When she clearly states "working, hard-working Americans, white Americans," we all know what she means. She didn't stutter. She even clarified "hard-working" with WHITE Americans, just in case any SDs were still unclear about what she was trying to say. And I might add, that the audio was taken and shared without her knowledge, so this is how she speaks in private when she doesn't think those "hard-working Americans, white Americans" (and the rest of us lazy people) are listening. She's a calculating, liar who enjoys slicing and dicing the American electorate into stereotypes. A vote for her is rewarding this kind of divisive politics and scheming. The old divide-and-conquer trick lives on...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 05/10/2008

Its this type of comment from Jaradan thats been repeated over and over and over by Obamatons that has convinced me to vote for McCain. Arrianna, Chris Matthews and all of the so-called commentators who have ganged up on Sen. Clinton have been a deciding factor in Obama's success. I am still waiting to hear what "progressive values and social justice" these folks think will come out of an Obama presidency. I believe there are things in Obama's past that will alienate most 'thinking' people and he will never be elected. I don't see the 'charisma and eloquence' attributed to him by the Obamatons. All I have heard him say is "change" What change?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 05/10/2008

I disagree with your allegations, but I am sorry you are so bitter and angry. If you truly believe McCain would be better for the country, well... I don't know what to say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 05/10/2008

the fact that you have to label people obamatons turns people off before you can advocate for your candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 05/10/2008

Yep.

It's going to be interesting to see how much passion remains for Obama when he becomes more specific--if that ever happens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 05/10/2008

and what what "progressive values and social justice" do you think will come out of a MCCain presidency. ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 05/10/2008

I have great faith in the white race, that there are enough enlightened and non threatened, thinking individuals who will study the issues and pay attention to what the Republicans have done to screw things up for everyone.

Without the white vote, Barack Obama would not be where he is, folks, defeating the Democratic machine of the Clintons. He has raised almost 250 million from 1.5 million donors, mostly white. Yet, the media keep talking about Obama's inability to win white voters.

What the hell are they looking at? Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Kansas, Colorado, Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, Louisiana, No. Dakota, Nebraska, Missouri, Virginia, Washington and the other states......they are not dominated by African American populations. In fact, where there ARE many African Americans, like California and New York, Clinton won. Look at a map of the United States and look where Obama has won. It's amazing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 05/10/2008

I have more than one earned doctorate--and my education spans public to private universities. I am not enlightened because I see past the rhetoric of Obama and check the facts? Obama has done nothing of credit since he took his seat in the Senate that has helped the nation black or white.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 05/10/2008

You obviously have not read his impressive record as a legislator -- it's for more impressive than Senator Clinton's!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 05/10/2008

You are on point with this one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 05/10/2008

"He has raised almost 250 million from 1.5 million donors, mostly white."
Are you saying African Americans are too poor to donate to Obama?

Absolutely disgusting comment. You should be banned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 05/10/2008

Don't waste your breath on this guy til you check out his profile.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 05/10/2008

Dude. I think he means "mostly white" as in majority, as in sheer numbers.
He does not mean black people "are too poor to donate to Obama." He assumes we're smart enough to know blacks are, what?, 12 percent of the U.S. population - thereby making ANY U.S. candidate's support mostly white.
Dude. Reading comprehension.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 05/10/2008

pos3r, you are the one who went there not karate kid. He stated a fact, you jump to a conclusion. So who is the bigot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 05/10/2008

How pathetic are you? Come join us in the sunlight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 AM on 05/10/2008