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Thomas B. Edsall

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Obama Camp Faces Major Obstacles In Plan To Help Clinton Pay Off Debt

May 8, 2008 08:56 PM


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Thomas B. Edsall is the political editor of the Huffington Post. He is also Joseph Pulitzer II and Edith Pulitzer Moore Professor at the Columbia Graduate School of Journalism. From 1981 to 2006, he was a political reporter at the Washington Post. He is the author of Chain Reaction and Building Red America. Tom can be reached at edsall@huffingtonpost.com.


Top officials of the Barack Obama campaign are privately exploring ways to help Hillary Clinton discharge her debts and pay back the $11.43 million she has loaned her organization, but they are running into two major stumbling blocks.

The first is obvious: the deep and growing animosity of Obama supporters towards Clinton, whom they see as raising issues of race and 'elitism' that will hurt the Illinois Senator in November.

In an interview with USA Today for example, Clinton declared: "I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," citing an AP article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

The second is less obvious: Mark Penn.

For many Obama backers, Penn, the former chief strategist for Clinton and head of one of the biggest PR-lobbying conglomerates in the nation's capital, is the quintessential Washington insider, capitalizing on political connections to become a multi-millionaire.

The immediate problem with Penn -- whose conflicts of interest plagued the Clinton campaign and ultimately led to his being publicly, if not privately, repudiated -- is that if Obama helps Clinton pay off her debts, a big chunk of those debts -- an estimated $10 million or more -- is owed to Penn.

Penn is the CEO of Burson-Marsteller, which has "a global network of 94 offices and 1600 employees that brings world-class public relations to companies around the world."

Burson-Marsteller is one of the 246 companies owned by WPP, a leading global advertising and marketing services group. WPP controls a powerful array of public relations, advertising and lobbying companies, including Hill and Knowlton; Dewey Square; Ogilvy and Mather; Public Strategies Inc.; AGB Nielsen Media Research; Quinn Gillespie and Associates; Timmons and
Company; Wexler and Walker Public Policy Associates; Young and Rubicam Brands.

Penn, who remains a top adviser to Clinton, was forced to step down as the face of the Clinton strategy team after disclosures that he was meeting privately with the government of Colombia to promote congressional approval of a trade agreement which Clinton - and her most loyal voters -- oppose.

Consideration by the Obama camp of providing financial help to Clinton would be part of a peace-making process in the event that she withdraws from the presidential nominating contest.

Under federal campaign finance law, the Obama campaign cannot directly pay off Clinton's debts, or the $11.43 million she has loaned the campaign, because that would violate campaign contribution limits. But if Obama is the nominee, he and his donor base could provide invaluable help to her in raising money through signed appeals, joint fundraisers and by other
methods.

The Obama campaign does not want to be identified as having discussions about Clinton's finances. Obama aides used the term "chit-chat" to dismiss any such discussions.

Many of Obama's grassroots and netroots backers appear to be outraged at the thought that the Obama campaign might step in to lend a hand to get Clinton out of a financial hole -- and out of the race -- as was reported
Wednesday
.

The Huff Post web site was flooded with more than 1,200 complaints on this score:

"No! No! No!" wrote a commenter using the web name 'Realbluesky'. "The Clintons have proven what kind of scum they are." 'Dbrockx' wrote: "Why is she being rewarded for disrupting the Democratic party and trying to sabotage Obama?" 'Amber09' pulled no punches: "The Clintons would never help Obama if this was reversed! They would be laughing they asses off that a
black man could dare to think he could beat the Clinton machine! The Clintons created the mud pond, let them now stay in the mud they created!"

Both Obama and Clinton have broken all Democratic fundraising records. Through the first quarter of this year, Obama raised $234.7 million, and Clinton $189.1 million. As of March 31, the date of the most recent FEC filing, Obama had $51.1 million in the bank and just $662,784 in debt, for a net cash position of $50.4 million; while Clinton had $31.7 million in the bank, debts of $15.2 million, and had loaned the campaign $6.4 million. (The FEC lists debts and loans separately.) More recently, Clinton disclosed that she had made her campaign additional loans, bringing the total amount she has loaned to her effort to $11.4 million. At the same time, her campaign was running close to broke for much of last month. Details of fundraising and
spending for the month of April do not have to be filed until May 15.

Money is a central issue in the delicate negotiations that many expect to lead to a Clinton withdrawal. A winning candidate often offers to do whatever is legal to help a loser pay down debts. In this case, there is exceptional animosity between the two camps. Furthermore, Penn's interest in any negotiations are sure to be pressed very aggressively by the Clinton campaign's new Chief Operating Officer, Howard Paster. Paster was brought in immediately upon Penn's retreat, and, as it happens, Paster is Penn's boss. Paster is the executive vice president for public relations and public affairs at Burson-Marsteller's parent company, WPP.

In his new capacity as COO of the Clinton campaign, Paster is almost certain to be central in deciding how much of any money Obama might help raise for Clinton is used to pay off the debt to Penn. This set of relationships will undoubtedly impact the enthusiasm of Obama donors for a
Clinton-Obama pact.


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Send the bill to RUSH.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 05/11/2008

Ditto!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 05/12/2008

If I were Obama I would not give Clinton one nickle. Maybe a new penny stamp. Her racist attitudes do not deserve any reward except a role in the Senate. Hit up Burkle for the cash.

To think I supported Bill Clinton during the impeachment proceedings. If I knew then what I know now I would have supported the move to impeach to enable Gore to be President. Gore was young enough to serve two more terms and we would not have had that idiot in the White House to screw up America.

Hell no.

Martin S Friedlander, Esq.
www.freedompost.typepad.com

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 05/10/2008

I take this guys writings with a grain of salt. Notice how he makes it sound as if it would be wrong for Obama to donate to something involving Mark Penn, and the irony being the guy is part of Clintons campaign. Their hyprocrasy knows no bounds.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 05/10/2008

Oh, I guess I misread the headline. I thought it said,

Obama Camp Feces Major Obstacles In Plan To Help Clinton Pay Off Debt

I guess she didn't really step in it. Or did she?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 AM on 05/10/2008

Go pound sand Peckerwoods!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 AM on 05/10/2008

have yet to hear this coming out of obama camp so why is even being discussed.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 AM on 05/10/2008

I guess, it's a slow news day.

The idea of one opponent bailing out another, more wealthier one is absurd. Clinton made the bad financial decisions ( and I don't mean running, but rather her lavish spending in 2007, when her candidacy was "inevitable" ).

It'll be a hit to their finances, of course, but the Clinton's aren't going to sink personally, if they have to pay these loans from their personal account or some other slush fund.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 05/10/2008

I used to like them (Clintons) so much but I no longer have any kind of respect for them whatsoever! I say let her pay her own debts herself.

How do you invite someone out to dinner if they just got through kicking you in the balls?

The idea of Obama asisting here with her debt; which she accumulated going after him is simply asinine!

Oh Hillary? Chappequa is callinggggggggggggggggg!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 AM on 05/10/2008

AMEN!!! As a passionate Obama supporter, there is absolutely NO WAY that I would support his giving one single penny to these racists!!! I used to support them. That was in the 90's, when I thought they were nice, democratic, caring people!!! I was one of their enablers. Boy, was I wrong! I wouldn't enable or support them for dog-catcher, after the dirty campaiging that both of them have done during this season!!! Let these millionaires pay off their own debts!!! Not one single nickle out of our pockets for these racist sleezy monsters!!! NO WAY!!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 AM on 05/11/2008

What ever happened to those quintessential American fund raising occasions, the barbeque and the bake sale? While it's perfectly true there's a cap on what even the most successful bake sale could realize, multiply it by two thousand or ten thousand, and Hillary's debt begins to shrink dramatically. At a prospective net of one thousand dollars per bake sale, ten thousand bake sales would net ten million dollars. Why couldn't the DNC declare September 1st Hillary Sunday. Children of Democrats all across the country could bake their favorite cookies and sell them, at churches, mosques, and synagogues, to children of other Democrats. Cookies left over from the sale could be given to the homeless.

Yours sincerely,

Handel Glassberg, President
The Playdo Institute

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 05/10/2008

"After stopping for lunch at Luis' Taqueria in Woodburn, Ore., Obama told reporters it was premature for him to talk with the Clinton camp about possibly helping her retire her multimillion-dollar campaign debt, much of it from Clinton's personal loans.

Asked if he might consider such a move later, Obama said: "Historically, after a campaign is done and you want to unify the party, particularly when you've had a strong opponent, you want to make sure that you're putting that opponent in a strong position so that they can work to win an election in November. And so obviously I'd want to have a broad-ranging discussion with Senator Clinton about how I could make her feel good about the process and have her on the team moving forward."

-By CHARLES BABINGTON and BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writers
Fri May 9, 5:32 PM ET

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080509/ap_on_el_pr/democrats;_ylt=AmJw6KUEDJWAEsQg3D1utHlh24cA

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 05/09/2008

Hillary can't be trusted to keep an agreement, even if she receives help to pay off her debt. Not that it is a good idea to have that money to pay off the debt that she has to Mark Penn.
What is there to stop her to continue to knee-cap Barack, so that he becomes unelectable this year? I really think that she wants to be president in 2012, if she does'nt make it this year. She is focused, to be sure, but the direction that she takes is UNKIND, UNTRUE, AND UNNECESSARY!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 05/09/2008

I HAVE TO STRONGLY CAUTION ALL OBAMA SUPPORTERS WHOSE STATES HAVE NOT YET VOTED, PLEASE GET OUT AND VOTE WHEN YOUR VOTING DATE ARRIVES. THE RACE IS NOT OVER, SO DO NOT BUY INTO WHAT THE MEDIA IS SAYING. THEY ARE GIVING OFF A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY.

IF THE MEDIA ARE ABLE TO GET OBAMA'S VOTERS TO STAY AT HOME, WITH THE FALSE SENSE THAT OBAMA HAS ALREADY WON, HILLARY WILL WALK OFF WITH THE NOMINATION, BECAUSE YOU BETTER BELIEVE THAT HILLARY IS TELLING HER SUPPORTERS TO GO OUT AND VOTE.

OBAMA SUPPORTERS, THIS RACE IS NOT DONE UNTIL ALL THE VOTING IN EVERY STATE IS DONE.
SO OBAMA VOTERS GET OUT AND VOTE, NO MATTER WHAT THE MEDIA SAYS, OBAMA NEEDS ALL YOUR VOTES, THIS RACE IS NOT OVER UNTIL ALL THE STATES HAVE VOTED!!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 05/09/2008

Hope your message gets out.

Hillary cannot be trusted until Obama wins the election in November (and even then she bears watching). Remember what happened in Michigan and Florida. He'll help her pay off her $25 million debt and she'll still try to steal the election from him. Hope he signs a clause that only half will be paid up front and the rest if, and only if, he gets the election in November. She'll sabotage him every chance she gets. She has no character.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 05/09/2008

Everyone needs to stop getting their panties in a bunch. Obama can't just give her some money from his campaign coffers. Christopher Beam explains the rules and the rational over on slate in his Trailhead blog:

"Obama can"t just "pay back" Clinton"s debt. FEC rules limit contributions from one candidate committee to another at $2000, according to FEC spokesman Bob Biersack. So even if Obama wanted to cut Hillary a $10 million check, he couldn"t. Nor could he route his money through the DNC, since national party committees can only give $5000 to a candidate committee.

What Obama can do is fundraise for her."

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 05/09/2008

he has a rational reason for doing so. but i don't car.some time before i joined an online service
sugarmommacupid. c o m. it is a site for rich women to date charming and handsome men..

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 05/09/2008

The Clintons still have 100 million dollars, let them pay their own debts. They got into this mess, let them get out of it. Don't do it, and don't pick her as VP.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 05/09/2008

Obama, don't do it!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 05/09/2008

If Obama does this HE will be making the biggest mistake of his career. First she would not return the favor if she were the nominee. Aslso it would sit well with his contributors, they would feel like their contributionw led to her comfortability, after a long and racially abusive campaign. I'm sure this practice may well be standard operating procedure with election procedures but it will not be seen that way among his constituents. These people are on trial for fraud, and the DNC knows it.
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilcasesummary/index.asp

He should check out Paul v. Clinton also YOUTUBE: "The Video Hillary Doesn't Want You To See"

Also: Speaking of guilt by association, the Clinton's former pastor Reverend William Procanick has been convicted for child molestation. http://www.uticaod.com/homepage/x1637676857

The Clinton's present pastor, reverend Dean Snyder, states that Reverend Wright is an outstanding church leader. Guess Hillary will have to leave that church.

OBAMA/BIDEN 08'

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 05/09/2008

It is not true that Clinton's ex-pastor was a child molester. It is true that "former Clinton pastor" - as in a man who was formerly a pastor in Clinton, NY (Oneida County) - has been convicted of child molestation.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 05/11/2008

One should be able to assume that the Clintons are mature adults who can handle their own affairs. Someone seeking the Presidency should be a responsible person. However, if Hillary needs some financial advice from Mr. Obama's campaign it might be a good idea. After all Obama ran a very efficient campaign and has a bunch of money in the bank now even after mounting extensive ads, etc. But the Clintons must have spent their donations recklessly and are broke. Apparently they could use some help learning how to handle money better, how to live within their means, and how to choose their professional associates more wisely.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 05/09/2008

IF OBAMA HELPS HILLARY REPAY HER LOAN OBAMA'S A FOOL
Senator Obama:

Get some self-respect. To reimburse Hillary for being disrespectful to you will doom your Presidency and make people think that your are a wimp ass punk.

Dude, please do not even offer Hillary's staff any jobs in your campaign or your administration. Do not offer Hillary, Bill, Chelsea or any of Hillary's staff judgeships, positions within your administration or ambassadorships...

PLEASE DO NOT OFFER HILLARY TO BE YOUR VP.

Senator Obama if you want to be respected by America and the world after this campaign and as senator or President you must cut the Clintons and Hillary's staff out of the picture.

No one will respect you if you allow the Clintons to be greatly involved in your campaign.
If you want the Clintons to make a few "healing the party" campaign speeches for you take them with you to a few campaign stops, pick up the tab and tell them thank you. But do not pay them $12 million dollars to support your campaign. Hillary keeps spending so that you will have less to use against McCain; by the time Hillary steps out of the process in August the Clintons could cost you $30 million. Why in the world should you pay the Clintons to run their incompetent campaign and trash you?

Sen. Obama you don't owe the Clintons anything the Clinton's consider you "the least experienced person," "unexperienced" and "the not experienced enough person."

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 05/09/2008

It would be very hard, as much as I want Obama to win the presidency, to continue to contribute to his campaign if I thought any of my hard earned money was going to pay off Hillary's debts.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 05/09/2008

Please do not make this mistake. They are not worthy. Even if it is tradition the Clintons have shown their lack of honor when it comes to things like RULES (stated or unstated)!!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 05/09/2008

if he uses money we supporters sent in to his campaign he can count on not getting any more from this supporter

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 05/09/2008

He CANNOT use the money donated for his campaign. There is a $2000.00 cap on how much he can give any campaign. He would have to help her with her fundraising in some way, at a later date.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 05/09/2008

I have never heard of a candidate paying off another candidate's debts so this seems a little strange to me. I voted for Clinton and sent her a little money and I think that if I had been an Obama supporter, I would be a little upset to know that my money is going to the opponent. But....I really believe that Obama does have a lot to thank Clinton for. She helped him become a better candidate. He became a better debater because he had to come up to her level. She fought back and he rose to the occasion which helped dispel the fears that he wouldn't be able to stand up to attacks. If Clinton had dropped out after the losses in all those caucuses, Obama would never have had the opportunity to campaign in Texas, Ohio, PA, etc. He said that he was the underdog and no one knew him. Now he has a step up because more people know him and voted for him despite the controversies. Someone on NPR said that his campaign might appreciate the fact that Clinton is staying in the race now because if she dropped out and still won in W. Va. and KY, then that wouldn't look great for Obama, and it won't change the inevitable outcome. Better to lose to a real candidate than to a ghost. Obama will now be my candidate and I will work for him. Basically, we Democrats are on the same page.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 05/09/2008

I don't really understand the whole idea of limits on the funds they're raising now. What happens to all the money that supporters gave Hillary if she doesn't become the nominee, but she is being forced to hold for the general election? What if she's the VP, can she use that money then? Can she give all that money to the nominee, and then that nominee can pay off her debts in return?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 05/09/2008

This would be totally unacceptable.

We did not give Sen. Obama money that we could be spending on Bills, student loans or god knows what, to turn around and find out that he is even thinking about giving it to the most reprehensible campaign run by any democrat in modern history. The Clinton campaign has come to represent everything we hate about government.
I just could not stomach the thought that even 1 penny of my money could end up paying debts incurred by a political machine determined to destroy Sen Obama by using tactics aimed at destroying our hope.
Sen. Obama would literally be funding the very politics he has sworn to end.
It would be in such bad taste that I almost cant even believe Sen Obama would take this seriously.

Why betray your supporters in such a way?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 05/09/2008

Under federal campaign finance law, the Obama campaign cannot directly pay off Clinton's debts, or the $11.43 million she has loaned the campaign, because that would violate campaign contribution limits. But if Obama is the nominee, he and his donor base could provide invaluable help to her in raising money through signed appeals, joint fundraisers and by other
methods.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 05/09/2008

Democrats for McCain thank you

From the point of view of Obama, if paying off Hillary's debts induces her to end the race sooner, and to really work for his election in the fall, it's a helluva deal. I read the comments of the Obama supporters rejecting this option, and have to rub my eyes. You really can't be that dumb.

I'm 100% behind Senator Clinton. I'd walk over hot coals for her. I would like her to take this race through to the convention, fighting hard every inch of the way.

I sincerely hope Obama does not offer to pay her debt as part of a larger deal to end her candidacy prematurely.

If Clinton cannot be nominated then it is important that over the coming months, we do everything possible to ensure Obama is exposed for the con artist he is. The country just cannot afford to give the keys to the White House to this empty suit. As a patriotic duty, we will seek to encourage Clinton's constituency to either not vote in the fall or to hold their nose and vote for McCain.

One of our greatest allies in this endeavor, are you people; the snarling, Clinton-hating, Obama fanatics. You have done everything possible to qiss-off every Clinton voter you will need in the fall. Every epithet, every insult hurled at Clinton on HuffPo, or in the rest of the blogosphere and cable TV, brings us new converts and new impetus.

Thank you.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 05/09/2008

"One of our greatest allies in this endeavor, are you people; the snarling, Clinton-hating, Obama fanatics. You have done everything possible to qiss-off every Clinton voter you will need in the fall. Every epithet, every insult hurled at Clinton on HuffPo, or in the rest of the blogosphere and cable TV, brings us new converts and new impetus."

He's right - as a life-long Democrat I won't vote for the Democrat for President for the first time. You have made it clear to Clinton supporters that you despise us and will sink to any depths to throw your filth.

I will be one of the millions who voted for Clinton who will not join your sick ranks in the fall.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 05/10/2008
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