US Makes Changes To Cremations For Slain Troops

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The Pentagon is recommending changes in the handling of troops' remains, after it was revealed that a crematorium contracted by the military handles both human and animal cremations.

A military official said there have been no instances or charges that human and pet remains were mixed. But officials are now recommending that troops' remains be incinerated only at facilities that are dedicated entirely to humans, in order to avoid any appearance of a problem. Or, officials said, families can opt to have a relative's remains sent to a local funeral home for cremation, which would be paid for by the military.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates believed the earlier situation was "insensitive and entirely inappropriate for the dignified treatment of our fallen," said Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell.

"Our heroes deserve to be better treated than that," Morrell said, adding that a sign at one of the crematoriums noted that it also does pet cremations. He said Gates offered an apology to military families for the insensitivity.

Morrell said there is "absolutely no evidence whatsoever at this point that any human remains were at all ever mistreated, or ever not cremated where they were supposed to be cremated. That said, the secretary believes that is it inappropriate, even if permissible under the rules and regulations, to cremate our fallen, our heroes, in a facility that also cremates pets."

The Dover Air Force Base Port Mortuary, where all troops' remains arrive from the battlefield, does not have its own crematorium, so it contracts with two funeral homes for the cremations: Torbert Funeral Chapel and Pippens Funeral Home.

Pippens' crematorium is located at the funeral home and is used only for human remains, while Torbert's has incinerators for both human and animal remains.

While most facilities don't advertise the fact that they handle both human and animal remains, there is a sign near the Torbert crematory advertising the "Friends Forever Pet Cremation Service."

Officials said there are three incinerators at the Torbert facility, and two are used for humans, while one is used for pets. The human and pet facilities are separated by about 20 feet.

Air Force Lt. Gen. Frank Klotz, Air Force staff director, told Pentagon reporters that it is not uncommon for crematoriums to provide both services.

Klotz said the issue came to light Friday when an officer who works in the Pentagon went to Dover to pay respects to a fallen comrade who was being cremated. The soldier noticed the pet cremations sign, and was concerned about the fact that the facility handled both human and animal remains.

The officer alerted senior officials at the Pentagon, who notified Capitol Hill and quickly pulled together the policy changes. Arizona Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, sent a letter to Gates calling the report "very disturbing."

Bill Torbert, president of Torbert Funeral Chapel, said a representative from Dover Air Force Base visited a crematory run by his company earlier this week, but was satisfied there was nothing amiss.

Torbert said the human and pet crematories are in adjoining buildings on the same property but have separate entrances. A sign advertising pet cremation services is in front of the Friends Forever office, but there are no signs on the building housing the human crematory facilities, which Torbert said are not used for cremation of pets.

"We do a lot of work with the military," he said. "We service them very well."

Gates has directed David Chu, the undersecretary of defense for personnel, to conduct a review of Defense Department policies and practices governing the cremation and handling of remains of service members.

To date, Dover's port mortuary has processed 4,608 remains, but the Pentagon was not immediately able to say how many of those were cremations, and how many were handled by either Pippens or Torbert rather than service members' hometown facilities. Lt. Chris Sukach, spokeswoman for the Dover base, had no immediate comment and referred questions to Pentagon officials.

Klotz said the military has used the two Delaware facilities since about 2001, and neither one, on its own, can meet the Pentagon's needs in the time required. He said he plans to go to Dover on Saturday to speak with officials about the matter.

 
 

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Did you know Barack Obama does not wear a flag pin?

President Bush knew about torture!

That Michelle Obama, who does she think she is?

Alberto Gonzales and John Yoo have undermined justice for all of America!

Barack Obama is an elitist empty suit, he will never beat McCain.

America invaded Iraq under manufactured evidence and/or false pretense. John McCain sees an America presence there (without casualties of course) for 100 years as being something that is good for America.

His middle name is Hussein and his father was --a BLACK MAN!!!!!!!!

Foreclosure, lack of disclosure, corruption, and Wall Street seduction of souls to fold their moral tent and play hard ball to win, to win, to win...

He voted present in the Illinois senate a bunch of times.

Yet, the American people were absent when Bush took us all on a romp to Iraq. Maybe if we had at least been present he would not have been able to do that. Ask not what your leader's qualifications are, but what your own are for being worthy of being led and leading, for each is called to lead in some way even if it"s only themselves. Have a personal revolution and shake things up in the governing of you. Do not allow your house to be corrupted by the manufactured spin of profiteers of divide and doom. Keep your eye on the prize which is the single step not the entire journey.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 05/10/2008

"The Dover Air Force Base Port Mortuary, where all troops' remains arrive from the battlefield, does not have its own crematorium...." Because? What, unanticipated casualties?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 05/10/2008

sorry, I meant, "No disrespect to the dead or their families."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 05/10/2008


No respect to the dead or their families, but I don't see why this is such a big deal. Pets aren't sent to a cremetorium in the first place unless their owners loved them very much. I know they're not the same as people, but the outrage over this particular issue seems misplaced given all the dying that is still going on in Iraq with no end in sight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 PM on 05/10/2008

They are dead in the service of a maniac. We must put our attentions on bringing the ones still living out of the danger that this administration places them. We must save our brave young men.

Support the troops....IMPEACH BUSH!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 05/10/2008

This is a disservice to the pets. The troops should vote with their feet, open their eyes and refuse to serve the nazis running our gov't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 05/10/2008

The troops are professionals that serve a democratically elected
government with a Republican President and Democratic Congress and Senate.

There are a hell of a lot of our elected officials pissing and moaning about the war to the public, then going back to Washington and voting to keep it going.

If it were only so simple as saying; Bush's war.

There's plenty enough blame to go around

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 05/10/2008

Red, our resident *French Canadian* commentator and rightwing pundit...

It's Cheney's war for oil and empire, Red; Bush has just been his willing ventriloquist dummy...

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 05/11/2008

I know you like to preach to the choir, so knock yourself out. It's all your's, I've other things to do

Conservatives bad, Leland good. Have a nice day whack-job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 05/11/2008

This is great thread. I copied the link right away sand and emailed it out.
I want other people to have a better idea of what typical Obama supporters really mean when they say they're against the war, but support the troops.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 05/10/2008

I'm for Mr Obama, I'm against the war and I'm against the troops. There you have it fool.
I'm a veteran but be damned if I'll support you gullible flag wavers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 05/10/2008

Must have been a real treat for your comrades to serve with you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 AM on 05/11/2008

This thread is more about how the GOP DOES NOT SUPPORT the troops, frankly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 05/10/2008

Perhaps so. However, refer to ribe8g above your comment and craneman below.
The media is sending a lot of people here to take a peek.
This stuff is pretty disturbing and doesn't do the democrats any good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 AM on 05/11/2008

Red never ceases to amaze how he can so consistently delude himself into thinking every GOP/Bushevik controversy is somehow really a controversy involving the Dinocrats at its core. Kinda like the reasoning of Holocaust deniers I've tangled with who keep insisting that the Jews are to blame for all the world's ills...

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 05/11/2008

Maybe Bush-Cheney & Co. could convince the Poles to fire up those ovens the Nazis used.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 05/10/2008

This gives a whole new meaning to "The Dogs of War"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 05/10/2008

This gives a whole new meaning to "dogface."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dogface

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 05/11/2008

Alright, now that was a bit below the belt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 05/10/2008

So long as the Oil and Arms dealers are making money who cares ?

Impeach. Hang.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 05/10/2008

The pets are more patriotic and less likely to invade other people's countries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 05/10/2008

No, the pets are not; our Yorkshire Terrorist is hell-bent upon world domination.

And the troops only go where their sent; soldiers don't get to choose, as that option is *removed* upon enlistment.

That said, this is IMHO just another Bushevik fiasco of Cheney and Rumsfeld's war on the cheap.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 05/11/2008

Leland, loosen the aluminum foil on your head.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 05/11/2008

Why, Red, you *deny* that when a soldier signs on the dotted line, they become the property of Uncle Sam? I thought you stated that you served in the US Army for 30 years...

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 05/11/2008

I worked briefly in the mortuary/cemetery biz years ago. Believe me, the cremation process is none too respectful. To use a pretty gross comparison, the crematorium resembles a large pizza oven. It really shouldn't bother anyone that animals are cremated at the same facility. The whole process is very impersonal. Traditional embalming and burial aren't much better, respect-wise. It is a business like any other. Of course there are laws and regulations that must be followed, but the process is very mechanical, and your loved ones are no different than anyone else's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 05/10/2008

No one doubts your business acumen OR your knowledge regarding this matter. In fact I am absolutely certain no one in her wants to have any experience at all with any of it whether it be cremation or embalming. It is an experience we would all rather pass on.

Considering the topic at hand though, it is painful to think that someone I love, someone I need, someone whom a mother birthed, or a father played catch with, or a wife loved and loved again and bore his child, and shared tender moments, or that his/her Daddy was his/her buddy, the bestest buddy any kid could have, and all that is left are some ashes.

Then to discover those ashes belong to Fido! A flag draped Fido or kitty.

Damn!

P-L-E-A-S-E!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 05/10/2008

I wonder where all the coverage is at on FAUX NEWS? I thought they were the MOST PATRIOTIC of all.

God Forbid this happened on an OBAMA watch, we would NEVER hear the end of it.

They are so HYPOCRITICAL it's not even funny!

I would Hannity would be all over this story; but of course not. Typical!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 05/10/2008

eDIT** - I would (THINK) Hannity would be all over this story; but of course not. Typical!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 05/10/2008

TREASON!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 05/10/2008

So what? Big Deal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 05/10/2008

I have always liked animals. I like them better than alot of people I know. I wouldn't care if my ashes got mixed up with a couple of dogs and cats.......as a matter of fact, now that I think about it, I may request it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 05/10/2008

Considering animals only kill for 2 reasons -- food and self preservation -- they're more civilized than any neoconservative I can think of.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 05/10/2008

Ditto!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 05/10/2008

Exactly. My cat Smootie is one of the best beings in the entire known and unknown Universe/Multiverse as far as I am concerned. And I would be honored to have her dear ashes mixed with mine.

As a veteran, I say the real actual indignity in 2008 after five years of war may be for honored and sacred troops sent into this COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY WAR by never served NeoCon theorist hacks is that a soldier's body may be sent to where ACTUAL REPUBLICANS ARE CREMATED. I think that may be far worse of a criminal indignity than being cremated in a place where innocent animals are cremated.

PS
I guess Flag Pins do melt? I wouldn't want that material mixed in either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 05/10/2008

unbelievable!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 05/10/2008

If you aren't sporting a flag pin, I don't want to read your comment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 05/10/2008

check the pin.....made in China!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 05/10/2008

Wait! Which flag are you talking about? LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 05/10/2008

This doesn't surprise me. Just look at the way the VA has treated our sounded soldiers one of our great national disgraces.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 05/10/2008

So, US Makes Changes to Cremations for Slain Troops by no longer cremating them with animals...

This might explain why Muffy's ashes had a molar in it the size of Bigfoot!

Does this mean that some of the remains of my poor ol' Muffy might contain, like 5% ultimate patriotism?

I tried to make arrangements for a bugler, but all the VA sent was a boom-box with a ratty old cassette.
They told me to return the items when I was done.

Still though, Like Awesome!!

Way to go Muffy!! I'll now be sure to put a flaggie by the tree in the back-yard. & BTW, does Muffy get a medal for that?

~USAF Vet who got their bennies slashed because, as the VA told me, the funds were diverted to take care of the war in Iraq. Oh, (Vet as in Veteran, not Veterinarian).

p.s. This is truly shameful! You robbed me of my GI-Bill too.

If a soldier deserts, they are considered AWOL. If a hypocritical Government does the deserting, what is that called??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 05/10/2008

The VA doesn't provide buglers, the local military installation does.

Specifically, which veterans benefit was taken from you to fund the war?

Specifically, who and how did anyone "rob" you of the GI Bill?

When a soldier deserts, he is considered a deserter, not AWOL.

When someone serves in the USAF, they are referred to as Airman, not Soldier.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 05/10/2008