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Exit Polls: Kentucky's 'Elites' Favor Clinton

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May 20, 2008 09:16 PM


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About Seth Colter Walls

Seth Colter Walls is a Political Reporter at the Huffington Post, based in Washington, D.C. Previously he has worked for Newsweek magazine, MSNBC and Lebanon's Daily Star newspaper. He has a masters from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and is a graduate of New York University. He can be reached at walls@huffingtonpost.com.


My colleague Sam Stein reported yesterday that if Sen. Barack Obama wins Oregon as expected later this evening, the state's largely white and substantially working class demographic will have complicated the assumption that "white working class" voters have a monolithic problem with his candidacy. While we wait for Oregon's polls to close, though, we can already watch the corollary of that hypothesis unfolding in Kentucky, via its exit polls. Ladies and gentlemen: meet the hoity-toity, latte-sipping Clinton voter.

Voters making over $100,000 a year? They went 67-28 for Sen. Hillary Clinton, a four-percentage point swing from her 65-30 margin among those merely pulling down five figures annually. Fine you say, what about those post-structuralist literary theorists scraping through their Dickensian lives of ink-stained penury in the state's graduate English programs? Those PhD-track types are guaranteed Obamaites, right? Ah, well, that cohort went for Clinton by 20 points, too. Unfortunately, it seems the exit poll firm didn't ask Kentucky's primary voters whether they preferred wine over beer, though I'd be willing to bet you a PBR and a glass of Shiraz that Clinton carried both of those oft-cited voting "tracks" in Kentucky tonight. She won practically every category, including Iraq war opponents and young voters. Clinton even carried a third of the voting population in Kentucky that had judged her to be an out-of-touch liar (as determined by the negative "shares your values" and "trustworthy" responses, respectively).

Now, of course these numbers do stand in contrast to demographic splits from previous primaries in other parts of the country. When you win an entire state by 30+ percentage points, you have to carry a lot of sub-groups. But what about the battle between race and gender in the arena of discrimination? Responding to Obama's Iowa win back in January, Gloria Steinem famously advanced the hypothesis that gender "is the most restricting force in American life." But not among Bluegrass Democrats: Clinton came away with the support of 79 percent of those voters who said gender played a role in their vote. And while most of us can get behind pride in one's gender, "white pride" doesn't quite have the same ring. Among the similar proportion of voters who said race played a part in their decision-making, Clinton again managed to take a huge number: 81 percent.

 
 

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- scorpioleidy See Profile I'm a Fan of scorpioleidy

Who is considered 'elitist' in Kentucky? Someone who finished 8th grade and didn't marry their cousin???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 05/21/2008
- mugwamp See Profile I'm a Fan of mugwamp

"Bluegrass Democrats" So that's what they're calling it now-a-days.

Appalachian voting preference would be in the following order:

1. White Man (preferably a military man)
2. White Woman (begrudgingly) if she told them everything they wanted to here regardless of practicality.
3. Black Man (with solid military background and didn't appear 'too' black) maybe, if Hitler was the other choice, then again, maybe not.
3. Black Man (strong, intelligent, well educated, etc.) no chance in hell. They'd go for whatever troll the republicans put up instead, despite voting against their self interests.

Makes you wonder how they'd vote if the republicans put up Condy Rice. I imagine they're heads would explode.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 05/21/2008
- dwt See Profile I'm a Fan of dwt

MSNBC's exit poll coverage indicated that 21% of Kentucky's Democratic voters ADMITTED that their vote was based on race (obviously the actual total, including liars, would have been much higher) and a substantial majority had bought into HRC's bogus gas tax moratorium.

Then the talking heads chastised Obama for not campaigning harder there. Huh?

Excuse me, but what possible benefit could Obama have reaped by trying to communicate with a population of what can only be termed "goober racists"? It was a stacked deck. Kentucky is state so red that its Democrats are to the right of Oregon Republicans.

And we wonder why this country is in the sorry state it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 05/21/2008
- krifos See Profile I'm a Fan of krifos

I agree. If Hillary was genuine she would reject and renounce the votes of racists.

I guess a vote is still a vote. Disgusting

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 05/21/2008
- Billy54 See Profile I'm a Fan of Billy54

I have lived in Kentucky for 6 years. Ilive in Louisville and voted for Obama yesterday.
I am writing to say that Kentucky really doesn't matter. The state ranks at the bottom in good categories and at the top in bad catagories. The state and local government entities make little effort to change or improve things. To get elected you simply have to say that you will not raise taxes and are a christian. Also state that your opponent does not have these views.
My friends and I are mostly people who have moved to Kentucky from elsewhere. We find it difficult to talk to the natives. A very different cultural thing.
Basically what I am saying is Kentuckians stay together, outsiders stay together. We try not to go outside of Jefferson county and wait until you can move somewhere else. If you don't speak hillbilly you are not accepted.
Remember Kentucky was neutral in the Civil War and they joined the Confederacy after it surrendered. Talk about stupid!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 05/21/2008
- Teritt See Profile I'm a Fan of Teritt

Hillary gets the Appalachian vote - so that is the vote we trust and want to be in charge of who picks our President for the next 4 years? I wish people would think about that. Take the least educated and most concerned about race, and let them decide our future. Come on people, use your heads. I don't care if you are a Hillary or an Obama fan, is that really the electorate you want to be the decider?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 05/21/2008
- Witchitalineman See Profile I'm a Fan of Witchitalineman

No.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 05/21/2008
- ratched See Profile I'm a Fan of ratched

You verbalized my thoughts exactly - we must make every effort to move our nation forward both academically and racially - we cannot afford racial bias - our nation is well beyond that. Time to start thinking, folks - we need to move on and do better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 05/21/2008
- veridicalperception See Profile I'm a Fan of veridicalperception

The Appalachian vote does not matter anymore than the other MILLIONS of voters that voted for HC. I would go as far as to say that the Appalachian vote matters just as much. Still is not enough to win the nod, but if I'm using my head I think than that a whole lot of people have voted for HC and they shouldn't be ignored.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 05/21/2008
- justobserve See Profile I'm a Fan of justobserve

"Ladies and gentlemen: meet the hoity-toity, latte-sipping Clinton voter. Voters making over $100,000 a year? They went 67-28 for Sen. Hillary Clinton" in KY.

Well, we all know by now that if they support Clinton then their votes are counted. If they supported Obama, they are elites and of course not count. If you believe in Clinton's maths, you are delusional as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 05/21/2008
- irishgawdess See Profile I'm a Fan of irishgawdess

What happened to Hillary's favorite demographic? You know, "the working, hard-working Americans, white Americans... and whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

If Obama was losing them, where did they go?? I thought these were her peeps? But they weren't included among her "latte voters."

BTW, my husband and I are "white working class" Oregonians, and we proudly cast our ballots for Obama. My 19 year old son did as well. Oregonians are nothing like the racists back in WV and KY. We've progressed beyond that 19th and 20th clown show routine.

'Nuff said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 AM on 05/21/2008
- pacats See Profile I'm a Fan of pacats

Yes We Can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 05/21/2008
- IslandGyal See Profile I'm a Fan of IslandGyal

Those only mattered specifically when she wasn't winning the rest of the demographics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 05/21/2008
- riley85 See Profile I'm a Fan of riley85

Guess all the comments from Obama supporters, calling Kentucky voters ignorant, racist, trailer trash, didn't go over too well.

Obama's moving "faith" flier apparently didn't work either.

Hillary is tougher,more qualified,more experienced...she doesn't need 72,000 people to feed her ego.

Hillary or McCain08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 AM on 05/21/2008
- dwt See Profile I'm a Fan of dwt

I'll go you one further: anyone who calls him or herself a Democrat and suggests that they will vote for McCain over Obama is worse than ignorant: they are beneath contempt. And they are NOT loyal Democrats.

On the issues, HRC and BHO are fairly close to identical; their platforms reflect core Democratic values. Have you bothered to look at McSame's platform outlined on his website? Setting aside Iraq, foreign policy, health care and other issues on which the two parties differ, this following is McCain's position on the issue of choice. Since over 50 so-called feminists are the core of the "Hilary or McCain '08" bandwagon, I ask how this furthers a womans' rights agenda?:

"John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench." http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/95b18512-d5b6-456e-90a2-12028d71df58.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 05/21/2008
- mugwamp See Profile I'm a Fan of mugwamp

Exactly. I think riley85's white sheet is showing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 05/21/2008
- westminster See Profile I'm a Fan of westminster

Why don't we Americans face facts? Places like West Virginia and Kentucky will never vote for a man like Barack Obama. If it's in the south, still flies the confederate flag and is STILL racially divided with NO progress you can bet your bottom dollar that they will not vote for him. His campaign has done the right thing. Why waste time and money in a state that will not vote for you regardless? I think he got the message loud and clear out of Pennsylvania. My sister helped campaign there and the stories she tells me about blatant racism is not surprising. As she said to me, what can you expect when the governor of the state makes statements about people in Pennsylvania not willing to vote for a black man. He and Hillary and Bill and their kind need to be given and sent a message by the electorate. Thank God for sensible people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 AM on 05/21/2008
- veridicalperception See Profile I'm a Fan of veridicalperception

Calling HC a racist is pathetic. Millions of people voted for HC, almost half of the democratic party and Obama loses WV and KY by huge margins and you cry racism. That is sad. WV has been ignored far too long by politicians. They have been written off as a state with nothing but white trash, racist views and poor, uneducated idiots. Where is the compasion for these people! I guess Obama supporters really think he stands for change only of the deserving youth, wealthy, educated people and the poor people can just go to hell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 05/21/2008
- justobserve See Profile I'm a Fan of justobserve

Exactly!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 05/21/2008
- ilcapo See Profile I'm a Fan of ilcapo

This might sound bad but maybe it s a question of that a Kentucky elite is white trash elsewhere?All these white working class voters who are voting among racial lines were likely never gonna support a democrat anyways,these are the famous Reagan democrats, democrats in name only...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 AM on 05/21/2008
- Caringthinkingperson See Profile I'm a Fan of Caringthinkingperson

I think they call them "guests" on Jerry Springer

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 AM on 05/21/2008
- gevan See Profile I'm a Fan of gevan

They used to say Kentucky was the "home of fast horses and slow women." Nice to see that the women are picking up speed. Now if they would adopt a Clytemnestra strategy of withholding sex until Hillary is back in the White House, there could be a glimmer of success on the distant horizon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 05/21/2008
- CarmenCameron See Profile I'm a Fan of CarmenCameron

As a long-term resident of Louisville, KY, I am ashamed to have to say that my black friends aren't safe in most of the rural areas of this state- birthplace of the Klan (and one of the last regions where it still thrives) - a fact that isn't mentioned on MSM for fear of inflaming the situation even further, I guess.

But the real hope that I see in tonight's totals is that over 200,000 Kentuckians DID vote for Senator Obama, a number that absolutely dwarfs our state's entire black voting population. And that is despite the fact that here in Jefferson County, one of the only two truly metropolitan areas in the state, there are reports of quite a few black voters being turned away at the polls for "voter registration irregularities" and still Obama carried the county!

So maybe there is hope for us yet...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 05/21/2008
- Bertha40869 See Profile I'm a Fan of Bertha40869

Thanks for your input. I read the article giving some of the Obama campaigners' accounts of the racism they have encountered on the trail. If I were Obama, I would not risk the safety of my campaigners and foot soldiers by sending them into such hostile territory. The MSM keeps saying that he needs to make himself known, but when he tried that in Pennsylvania and Ohio, his supporters received death threats, had racial epithets hurled at them, phones and doors slammed on them, and even had campaign offices vandalized.

I am personally very disappointed the media didn't cover this more extensively. The only person who really drove this issue home last night was, suprisingly, Chris Matthews, who hammered Lisa Caputo and Terry McAuliffe about this. Of course, they dodged the question. Go figure. They don't want to admit that they are basically getting the white racist vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 05/21/2008
- Charmed See Profile I'm a Fan of Charmed

Thanks for posting that Cameron, it's about how far we've come.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 05/21/2008
- Caringthinkingperson See Profile I'm a Fan of Caringthinkingperson

Carmen, thank you for the honesty. I did not realize this was the birthplace of the Klan. I wonder when news outlets were going to find that newsworthy. Thank God there are people like you blogging from reality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 AM on 05/21/2008
- WAstateliberal See Profile I'm a Fan of WAstateliberal

Thanks Carmen. As usual, the press is frothing over Kentucky as the most important state in the Union (two weeks ago the most important state was West VA, with its five electoral votes), and ignoring the Pacific Northwest.

The broader point here is that Oregon, from the standpoint of a Democratic primary, is huge, because one candidate guarantees the state will remain blue in the general (Obama), and the other candidate puts it up for grabs (Clinton).

Who frickin' cares about Kentucky? The state is red, red, red. Will not be blue under any circumstances. Until we get rid of the electoral college, no Dem with even half a brain would spend a dime or a minute there because under the EC, you get no credit for second place. (Without the EC, those 209,000 votes Obama got in Kentucky would actually matter, so he would have an incentive to campaign there. And really, wasn't that the original point of the EC? To make sure that small and medium states got love too? And yet in reality, thanks to the EC, only four states matter: Penn, Ohio, MI, and FL).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 05/21/2008
- Lagniappe See Profile I'm a Fan of Lagniappe

I attmpted to research ,earlier this week,some demographics re" KKK or Aryan groups in WV and Kentucky. Could not find stats,but there is an excellent paper by Myrna Estep regarding the subject. What has struck me as odd,is how John Mc CAin's ties to Isreal will set with these folks. According to my understanding of this bigotry,,Jewish folk and Catholics are persona non grata ,also.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 05/21/2008
- TheJibreelaMonsters See Profile I'm a Fan of TheJibreelaMonsters

It's typical that those who support Obama, feel that only racists will vote against him. Perhaps we just don't trust his empty words, perhaps he has not fully explained why he can throw his own pastor under the bus only after that pastor becomes politically inconvenient, perhaps his judgment in having a relationship with a known political fixer (Rezko) is suspect, perhapses his "nuanced" positions on everything from lobbyists, Iraqi pullout, speaking to rogue nations, or NAFTA seem oh so very political, perhaps we cannot contemplate a president who learns on the job.... oh no, none of things matter, we're just bigots, clinging to our Bibles and rifles. Perhapses we have not seen the light of reason... of lattes, white wine and a 28% capital gains tax. Good night "sweetie"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 05/21/2008
- SpawnOfJerry See Profile I'm a Fan of SpawnOfJerry

Perhaps it's just those who can't tell fact from fiction who vote against Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 05/21/2008
- kcam44 See Profile I'm a Fan of kcam44

Perhaps you are a bigot. The American people have spoken (Black & White for Obama), he's the winner, your talking points don't matter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 05/21/2008
- WAstateliberal See Profile I'm a Fan of WAstateliberal

You're a Republican. I am not interested in why you aren't going to vote for him. Totally irrelevant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 AM on 05/21/2008
- ilcapo See Profile I'm a Fan of ilcapo

Perhaps you should stop parroting Hannity s anti Obama rants and think for yourself once in a while.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 05/21/2008
- mesuki See Profile I'm a Fan of mesuki

I'm sorry but democrats who vote for Clinton over Obama are out of touch.Alot of them are racist too,or are afraid of real change.Either way no one who has any decency or common sense would choose Clinton over Obama.You have to be deaf dumb and blind not to see Hillary for what she really is!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 05/21/2008