The Selfish Gene Is Female

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With apologies to Richard Dawkins (author of The Selfish Gene), I have to point out a noticeable selfishness on the part of some Democratic women voters. When Hillary Clinton declared she was "in it to win", many women around the country felt a rush of pride and hope. As Senator Clinton progressed throughout the primary season, she galvanized women all over the country, who came out to work for her and vote for her.

But now that Clinton is not going to be the nominee of the Democratic party, we are hearing a terrible moaning and whining on the part of Clinton's women supporters, even to the point that some are saying they will not vote for Obama in the Fall. As much as many of us would have liked to see a woman President, it has become apparent that to insist on a woman candidate is mainly about "us" not about what the majority of Democratic voters may want or need. It is selfish of us to insist on a Clinton victory, and appalling to hear such women leaders as Geraldine Ferraro implying she might not vote for Obama because she is so disappointed that Hillary cannot win. A McCain victory would be anathema to the causes that Hillary Clinton has always supported like choice, a repudiation of No Child Left Behind, health care for all, and women's rights.

Selfish women like the ones who are grousing about Hillary's loss are precariously close to embarrassing our entire gender. If we can fight for a nomination as good or better than any man (and Hillary has fought as hard as any man would or could), then we ought to be able to lose as good or better than a man. That is, losing without pouting, without recriminations, without blaming -- the media, our opponent, men, etc. I so want women voters and Hillary Clinton to be exemplary losers. There is nothing to be gained now by this complaining and finger pointing. It has been over for months, and insisting on having Clinton fight to the finish is not only somewhat unique in political campaigns (most candidates bow out long before the so-called 'end'), it has been undoubtedly damaging to the fight against McCain in the Fall.

Clinton's argument that she can still win, as she has been proclaiming on the campaign trail for weeks, is completely incomprehensible to anyone who can count and dishonest to those who cannot. In order to overturn the long tradition of counting "delegates" as the measure of who is the Democratic nominee, Clinton would have to do a number of very damaging things -- to herself, her supporters and to the Democratic party. She would have to overturn an agreement she herself made not to campaign or count Michigan and Florida's votes; she would have to overturn the concept of using pledged delegates as the metric for victory and replace it with "popular vote"; she would have to convince 75 to 80% of superdelegates to change their votes or vote for her because of her version of an electoral map metric -- alienating not only the women who support Obama, but all of the other Obama supporters, who are more than half of the Democratic party at this point. Would that victory be worthwhile? Would that victory be a feminist victory? What would we have proved? Only that women are the most selfish of all voters.

 
 

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You echo my sentiments exactly. Obama is winning this race fair and square. Even if one were to seat Michigan and Florida delegates based on their bogus primaries, he would still be ahead in delegates. It's clear that the American people have spoken, and they are choosing Barack Obama. So why all this righteous indignation from the Clinton camp? The Hillary supporters who are threatening to take their ball and go home are embarrassing to me as a woman. They need to grow the hell up. Our country's future is at stake. Can we really afford a third Bush term?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 05/23/2008

So how would you categorize Michelle Obama's comment that she "would have to think about" voting for Hillary if she were the nominee (meaning, I assume, that the wife of the apparent nominee would have crossed over and voted for McCain!) and the countless obama supporters who have thrown their vitriol and bile across the HuffPo and others insisting that Hillary is the next coming of Satan and they would never vote for her.... do Obama supporters have selfish genes too? I think this blog is specious and to generalize about women this way is just another form of sexism. Should we say the same thing about all the african americans who said they would not vote for Hillary if she were nominated? Ms. Berthold, do not presume to be speaking for "us" - you are not. One can only imagine how Obama supporters will behave if Hillary ends up the nominee. I would not expect a lot of grace nor a lack of selfishness as evidenced by their behavior on the HuffPo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 05/21/2008

Well, after Hillary saying she stays in the race in case Obama is assassinated, we now understand why Michelle would have to think about supporting her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 AM on 05/27/2008

The question was not whether or not she would VOTE for Hillary. Get your facts first, then your argument.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 05/22/2008
- M.S. Bellows, Jr. - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of M.S. Bellows, Jr.

Name one African American who says he/she will refuse to vote for Hillary if she's nominated. All Michelle Obama said was that it would be distasteful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 05/21/2008

As an African American, I will not support a candidate you played the race card and belittled black votes this primary campaign.

But, I won't vote for McCain, either. If that helps you make your point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 05/21/2008
- M.S. Bellows, Jr. - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of M.S. Bellows, Jr.

When did Obama play the race card? And if he did, which I sure haven't seen, has he played it even 1 percent as often as HRC has played the sex card?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 05/22/2008

I don't understand why Hillary showed such pride when told she has "testicular fortitude"; or in the comparison to Rocky Balboa.

I didn't like either reference, but Hillary apparently did.

Can anyone explain why? Thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 05/21/2008

I think the selfish person is you, Ms. Bergthold and so many of the other women who just can't be counted on the take a chance and be a team player. There is nothing selfish about wanting real change in this country as well as experience; since NO woman has ever been elected to such a high political office, the selfish ones are the women and men who insist on another member of the boys' club being the persumptive nominee of the Democratic Party. I have held my nose since 1970, when I first was able to vote in a general election. For President, most governor's positions, representative and senator offices, all I ever had to vote for was one not so acceptable boy after another. All promising anything to get my vote; just as if I were a one night stand. Well, I won't hold my nose this election cycle; I will use the write-in vote to vote for Hillary Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 05/21/2008

NO Black has ever been elected to such a high political office, either, Barack Obama isn't a member of any "boys' club" nor is he a "boy", and Hillary Clinton is the long-standing Washington insider.

It's apparent you don't think highly of the male gender. If I were you, I'd stop holding my nose and find out why I display such an obvious resentment of those with genitalia different from mine.

Allowing an anti-woman candidate and platform to retain power is foolish IMO. Someone who called his wife a c**t and "joked" about a pre-teen girl being the daughter of Hillary and Janet Reno will not get any help from me to get into our White House. McCain's made it clear the kind of nomination he'd make to the Supreme Court.

No, I don't want to be on your team. I'm on the Democratic Party's team.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 05/21/2008

So were you a big supporter of Elizabeth Dole's presidential campaign several years back? If not, you are a huge hypocrite.

If you don't support Obama, that increases the likelihood we will have a President McCain, who will be in a position to appoint Supreme Court justices. Kiss Roe v. Wade goodbye, as well as many other issues important to women.

All because YOU wanted to make a point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 05/21/2008
- M.S. Bellows, Jr. - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of M.S. Bellows, Jr.

So "feminism" means "you have to vote for the female" and not "the female gets the same chance as the male, win or lose." And it means "put the female on a pedestal and support her no matter what she says or does" and not "praise or criticize the female no more or less than you would a male who said or did the same things." Do I have it straight?

You mention being a "team player." By "team" do you mean "women"? Why can't the team be "the Democratic Party" or "America"?

Yikes. Please, take a deep breath and rethink your concept of what real equality means. Hint: it doesn't mean what the old Virginia Slims ads claimed: that "you've come a long way, baby" and therefore should start smoking cigarettes just like some men. It means you can make a choice. And many wonderful, feminist women have chosen Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 05/21/2008

the reason why race and gender are prominent themes in the horse-race coverage of these campaigns is because neither Clinton, Obama nor the media either care or dare to address fundamental challenges facing the nation and the next president. Nobody has suggested an agenda for reducing corporate influence (control) of the government. Nobody is questioning the wisdom or the unsustainable costs of an imperialist foreign policy indicated and prosecuted by military presence in approx. 130 other nations around the world. Nobody is proposing any remedies for runaway health care costs. Nobody is objecting to federal reserve bailouts (vs meaningful regulation) of the credit industry backed up by yet more recklessly borrowed or printed currency. Nobody is willing to suggest that wasteful consumption is the driving force behind the energy and environmental crises. And nobody is entertaining the notions of the founders, that protecting individual (vs collective) rights is the best way to ensure a just and prosperous society.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 05/21/2008

Vbfree
I hope these help.

reducing corporate influence (control) of the government
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ethics/
unsustainable costs of an imperialist foreign policy
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/
remedies for runaway health care costs
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
objecting to federal reserve bailouts (vs meaningful regulation) of the credit industry
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/fiscal/
that wasteful consumption is the driving force behind the energy and environmental crises
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/
protecting individual (vs collective) rights is the best way to ensure a just and prosperous society.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/civilrights/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 05/21/2008

So how would you categorize Michelle Obama's comment that she "would have to think about" voting for Hillary if she were the nominee (meaning, I assume, that the wife of the apparent nominee would have crossed over and voted for McCain!) and the countless obama supporters who have thrown their vitriol and bile across the HuffPo and others insisting that Hillary is the next coming of Satan and they would never vote for her.... do Obama supporters have selfish genes too? I think this blog is specious and to generalize about women this way is just another form of sexism. Should we say the same thing about all the african americans who said they would not vote for Hillary if she were nominated? Ms. Berthold, do not presume to speak for "us" - you are not. One can only imagine how Obama supporters will behave if Hillary ends up the nominee. I would not expect a lot of grace nor a lack of selfishness as evidenced by their behavior on the HuffPo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 05/21/2008

Jane2008 - I think you just ended the entire discussion by citing that Michelle Obama gem. Good job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 05/21/2008

Linda, thanks. For a well thought out article about Hillary and the silly claim of "some" women that sexism did her in, or that the nomination was stolen from her because she was a woman. It was refreshing to get this perspective from an insightful woman that doesn't see things through "Hillary colored glasses"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 05/21/2008

I have never heard so many people defend crap. There is no sexism happening from Obama Camps. Lets see here, have you ever heard of clinton supporters going door to door and getting harrased by people saying I would rather vote for mcain than for a woman? I have never heard that. But I have heard I would vote for mcain before I vote for a black man. But oh no we can't say that she has a racist group of supporters. But what is also a big deal that know one talks about. How racist white women have shaped american politics. Hillary has played the race card and so has her white women supporters. White women feel like she has been given a bad shake. What will a woman do that would be different than a man? Everything that she talks about mirrors what every white male politician has said and done in a campaign.

Let me ask some real questions. If Hillary is winning and she is the best how come she can't close the deal?

How come a fresh senator with a wierd name is able to raise more money than a seasoned politician such as Hillary.

Is hillary ashamed that she has supporters who openly say I would never vote for a black man?

It seems like older voters want to relive moments in the past not realizing that those moments of a prosperous, respected country can only be obtained by updated newly renovated policies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 05/21/2008

What, exactly, has Obama done differently?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 05/21/2008

I would hope it's not too much to ask Clinton supporters to pick the candidate who best represents their values by going to both of their websites and look at their positions and make an informed choice. If you do that, no one is going to call you a whiny, selfish, sore loser. And quite frankly, even if you hate Obama's guts at this point and don't trust him as far as you can throw him, if you support what Hillary supports, I think you're going to have a hard time rejecting a candidate who supports all those exact same things, in favor of someone who:

calls his own wife a trollope and c#nt

says that there is no wage disparity for women, and that if they got more training and experience they'd be paid the same as men

wants to keep your children and grandchildren fighting in Iraq, and probalby Iran, Syria and who knows where else indefinitely, even it it takes 10,000 years

doesn't want to ensure health care for all children, but favors a market driven approach that would continue to allow health insurers to reject applicants, but which would ultimately take away the incentive for employers to offer guaranteed health care with no pre existing condition clauses

wants to continue with the failed No Child Left Behind policies of the Bush adminstration

said that Clinton's daughter was so ugly because Janet Reno was her father

will ensure that Roe V. Wade is overturned

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 05/21/2008
- M.S. Bellows, Jr. - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of M.S. Bellows, Jr.
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 05/21/2008

I was disappointed in Hillary's "southern strategy" that simmered since the beginning of the primaries and has since came to a boil and the settled some. "Hard working people, white people," was really unacceptable. In the back of my mind I thought, if she wins with thinly veiled race baiting then I would vote McCain. Teach you all a lesson that might resonate in four years.

The irony of Hillary's voters is that while they see their candidate suffer the indignities of sexism they don't have her opponent to blame for fanning those fires. Now there are a lot of people who try to quantify and compare the impact of sexism vs. racism. If you doubt that racism is our biggest problem ask the African American man in your office about it, oh wait you don't have an African American man in your office? How many AA men are in leadership positions in your company, women? The ratio of African American men, our prison population is 1% of our entire pop, compared to women who make up half of our population.

Consider that the most heinous crimes, serial killings and pedophilia, are overwhelmingly perpetrated by white middle class men. The hard working American's who favor Hillary. Now why is it that white middle aged middle class women hate this guy so much? 80 years ago while women were winning suffrage they were lynching black men in the areas and the demographics that Hillary is doing so well with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 05/21/2008

southern strategy? look at the delegate map. the southern states all went for Obama. The first attack using race came when hillary mentioned LBJ's role in working with MLK to pass the Civil Rights Act and she was accused of being racist and when Bill said the media's treatment of Obama's Iraq claims was a fairy tale. Both these attacks came right before the SC primary, which just happened to be the first state with a very large African American community, which then went out and voted about 85 to 90% for Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 AM on 05/22/2008

RE:

"Men who stay in the fight against tough odds are called courageous, women are called "selfish". Men who fight hard are called tough. Hillary is called a "bitch", a "monster". "

What article did YOU read? Because the one I just read never called Hillary a bitch or a monster (or anything even close). The article I read suggested that Clinton has fought a hard, tough battle as well as any man, and that is commendable, but once she has officially lost, it is insane for her supporters to back a candidate who represents the polar opposite of Hillary's position on every single women's rights issue, to spite a person who actually supports the great work Hillary has done.

Is it not selfish to express your anger by doing something that would be injurious to everything you and others like you have believed in and fought for your whole life. As a man who supports women's rights, I understand that, as another man who claims to support women's rights, why don't you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 05/21/2008

At negative 31 million dollars, Sen. Clinton's supporters anticipate a loss.
Greater dividends are paid for being stingy in support and generous in assigning blame.
The debate is also shifting from the present to past tense.

From: "I support her, so should you."
To: "Who didn't and why?"

There is a cornucopia of reasons. One stands out.

Enter: The Sexism Conspiracy.

Too bad this feast for the eyes does nothing to improve Sen. Clinton's campaign fortunes.
Last I heard, she was still in it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 05/21/2008

I have asked before on HuffPo: Isn't the whole argument about "sexism" and "feminism" in HRC's campaign a generational thing? Aren't all the women who are making waves baby boomers who can't get over the 60's and 70's, when they had to burn their bras and fight like hell to break through the glass ceiling? Yes, there was plenty of sexism in those days, and they did have to bloody themselves on many battlelfields.

But they won the war. Pat yourself on the back and move on. Their millennial daughters are living in a world with a more level playing field - no, it's not perfect, but the field will get more level in the next generation, and the next after that. The old ladies have to get over themselves - maybe an oxymoron for baby boomers.

AS WELL AS eschewing any suggestion that gender barriers are more difficult to surmount than racial. Now THAT is a narcissistic canard of reprehensible proportions. Example: MSNBC's exit polls last night showed that 21% of Kentucky Democrats ADMITTED their vote was based on race. Anybody can guess what the actual number was when you include those who did not say or lied. These are so-called Democrats, admitting they won't for a black man! In 21st Century America.

Ladies: Please back your Party's nominee, as HRC says she will, and shut up already. McSame will overturn Roe v. Wade, will stay in Iraq till 2013, and won't give us universal health care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 05/21/2008

we'll be in Iraq until 2013 no matter what. that's how long it would take to get all the soldiers out of Iraq even if we started pulling forces out immediately.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 AM on 05/22/2008

it's not generational. look around and tell me whether you don't see men in positions of authority who are less qualified, experienced and hard-working than the women around them. TV is a prime example, with host after host being male. every office in America is the same.

it's the obama syndrome.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 AM on 05/22/2008
- M.S. Bellows, Jr. - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of M.S. Bellows, Jr.

Geraldine Ferraro: the Jeremiah Wright of the gender wars, still mired in the past. Sad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 05/21/2008

Hillary has resorted to any rationale within reach, no matter how specious or untenable, to avoid the conclusion that she has lost, for more than political reasons. Throughout her career she has let deeply personal needs interfere with sound political judgement. Her sense of self and purpose for her whole existence has been bound up for a long time with the grandiose conviction that she was ordained by a higher power to become the first female president. That is the only thing that gives meaning to her life. Many of her followers reflect this same sense of destiny and need, if only as satellites to the Queen herself. That is why so many of them seem impervious to reality or politically based appeals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 05/21/2008

When she said "this is personal" while weeping at that cafe a couple of months ago it was so telling.

Personal, as in "I will be ashamed if I lose and I will now avoid facing that painful emotion and drag the entire country through a soap opera in order to continue avoiding it."

Nice. What a role model.

Millions of women can see right through Hillary. Who better to judge a woman's character than women themselves? More and more are seeing her for who she is.

Obama now officially leads with women -- except women over 50. Times they are a changin"!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 05/21/2008

No person has ever been this close and had their own party call for them to simply quit, especially when that candidate's supporters represent half of the party. Call names if that is what inspires you, demean and shame be self righteous too. Many candidates went to the convention with fewer votes and fewer delegates. Also, no candidate has ever been pressured to quit (except Kerry and Gore in the GEs) who keeps winning primaries at such crushing margins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 05/21/2008
- M.S. Bellows, Jr. - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of M.S. Bellows, Jr.

Name one primary candidate who was unable to win the majority of elected delegates but stayed in the race anyway, calling for party insiders to overturn the voters' choice. I can't think of one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 05/21/2008

Ted Kennedy. he only had 35% of the popular vote and even fewer of the delegates and stayed in the race until the convention. And he did it against a sitting Democratic president. there are lots of other examples. And no one called him selfish or demanded that he withdraw.

"Kennedy came into the Democratic convention at Madison Square Garden in New York City with 1,225 delegates to Carter's 1,981 and 122 uncommitted. Kennedy's only chance to wrest the nomination from Carter, who had enough delegates to win, was to pass an "open rule" motion."

http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/080131nj1.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 AM on 05/22/2008

Take it easy. I'm not calling anybody names, or demeaning or shaming anybody.

Mathematically, she can't win, unless she takes the unprecedented step of convincing enough superdelegates to ignore Obama's lead in pledged delegates, which are designated according to primary and caucus results. That scenario would tear the party apart. Is that what you want?