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Obama Aide on Nader's Comments: "Reprehensible And Basically Delusional"

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June 25, 2008 01:41 PM


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For many Democrats the memory of Ralph Nader's role in the 2000 presidential election still causes the mild case of angina. And with the consumer advocate giving the White House run another go around, the fear still exists, within some dark corners of Democratic politics, that Nader diehards could throw a crucial state away from Barack Obama grasp.

And so it is always telling to see how Obama and his aides handle Nader's candidacy. Will they cater to the longtime progressive legislative interests, offering policy enticements to woo his voters and support? Or will they dismiss him as a good-natured relic of the past, someone who should be commended for his work but ignored as a candidate?

On Wednesday, Nader thrust the question into the political spotlight by spouting off a bout of political analysis that contained little racial sensitivity - including saying that Obama "wants to talk white," and "show that he's not at politically threatening African-American politician."

Hours later, the Obama folks struck back, and they didn't hold their punches.

"It reminds me of that old saying," said communications director Robert Gibbs, "which I'll paraphrase: 'Better to be thought not-so-smart than to open your mouth and remove all doubt,' which is apparently what Ralph Nader did in Denver yesterday or the day before. Obviously Ralph Nader hasn't spent a lot of time looking at the entire career of Barack Obama, somebody who turned down high-paying Wall Street jobs and Supreme Court clerkships to come back and organize on the south side of Chicago, in fact, taking on asbestos in public housing projects. He's worked tirelessly in the United States Senate to make sure that our kids don't chew on toys that are imported from China that are filled with lead and that we begin to pass reasonable, but strong rules ensuring that there isn't any more lead paint in homes that children can chew on. We've talked throughout this campaign about making sure that our middle-class is protected. So, I think Ralph Nader is -- besides those comments being reprehensible and basically delusional, I don't think he's spent a lot of time looking at the record of Barack Obama."

As MSNBC moderator Andrea Mitchell properly pointed out, had Nader's words come from the lips of a GOP operative (or perhaps even former President Clinton), cries of racism would have bounced off the walls. To which Gibbs replied:

Well, I don't know what we'd be calling it. It's downright delusional, whether it's being said by Karl Rove, Charlie Black, Ralph Nader, or by me. I think those comments -- as I said a minute ago -- are reprehensible. I can't begin to think what the thought process is that goes through some person's mind before they open their mouth and suddenly that comes out... I think this war of words -- whether it's Karl Rove or Ralph Nader -- that's exactly the type of stuff that needs to stop. Because you know what, words and rhetoric, none of that's making college cheaper. None of that's helping people to get the gas this need to go to their job or look for another job, which is what Barack Obama is focused on in this campaign. Obviously, I think those remarks are reprehensible and delusional. But I don't know that I'd dignify them a whole lot more by talking about who said them and why.

Nader, to be sure, is not the same electoral threat he was in 2000, when popular perception was that the difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush weren't believed to be too great. But he still has his adherents, however few. And it will be interesting to see how much praise Obama receives for fighting back against his remarks. Certainly, Gibbs's MSNBC appearance drives home the notion (if it was ever in doubt) that this is Obama's party and he won't take criticism lightly, event from fellow progressives.

 
 

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- WilliamGossett See Profile I'm a Fan of WilliamGossett

He criticized Obama for not being like the black Civil Rights leaders of the past like including Jesse Jackson.

Did it ever occur to Nader that Obama is not running and cannot run as a black civil rights leader. He has to run "color-less." His job is not to represent blacks but to represent everybody and let the African American get a fair shake and the same for all Americans. He cannot be their (African American) advocate any more than be an advocate for any other group.

Do you see McCain campaigning solely for the welfare of Navy Veterans? or for ex-POWs? Of course not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 06/26/2008
- jazzman See Profile I'm a Fan of jazzman

Two things I know:

As someone who grew up amidst African Americans and attended school with them, worked with them, and once was employed by an African American owned company in which I was the minority, I never met one who fit the stereotypes of African Americans that I see in movies and on TV.

Secondly, African American aren't a unified group looking for a black leader who necessarily talks or acts like Al sharpton, Jesse Jackson, or Martin Luther King.

So when Nader says Obama is trying to act 'white' he has to have a stereotype of the 'typical' black in mind. Sorry but that is racist. Obama is a mixed race person who happens to act like...Barack Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 06/26/2008
- sansego2000 See Profile I'm a Fan of sansego2000

Nader has a lot of good points, then he has a brain fart like this. He is slipping. This kind of talk starts to polarize people, not bringing people to his message. These kind of comments make people want to distance themselves from him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 06/26/2008
- JerryTheAngel See Profile I'm a Fan of JerryTheAngel

Nader is proof that even we progressives have racists among us. Despicable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 06/26/2008
- imagine0594 See Profile I'm a Fan of imagine0594

Racist- someone who hates others who are not of his or her own race.

Racism- belief that people of different races have different qualities and abilities, and that some races are inheritantly superior or inferior.

Nader's comment- " I haven't heard [Obama] have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestoc, lead. What's keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn't want to appear like Jesse Jackson?"

How exactly does Nader's comment meet the criteria of these definitions?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 06/26/2008
- UncommonSenz See Profile I'm a Fan of UncommonSenz

"Is it because he wants to talk white?"

How do you read that statement and NOT reach the conclusion that:

A) "talking white" means that blacks should talk one way and should NOT talk likes whites do

and

B) By using the words Obama uses, he is not being genuine or "true" to his race?

Clearly this would meet the standard of Racisim, even as you have defined it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 06/26/2008
- indypete See Profile I'm a Fan of indypete

That's the trick of the twisters (I can't call them spinners). If Jerry actually is progressive, he's unfortunately fallen for it hook, line and sinker but he'll read your post and get it immediately. If he's a "mole" then he'll just repeat his statement over and over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 06/26/2008
- VSamuels See Profile I'm a Fan of VSamuels

By denoting that there is a different quality of speech; speaking white, Nadar assumes that Obama being black does not naturally speak in a way that is germane only to whites. Also, Nadar goes on to use more language which confines Obama to being in the box of black power and black empowerment, A.K.A. Jesse Jackson, in itself an imflamatory figure among many whites, as to say he can only respond to issues which are thought to be important to blacks (e.g. poverty, pay day loans).

Racism isn't always a clearly defined use of language in absolute terms, often the user of racism implies in words his beliefs of racial hate and inherently superior or inferior status by reflecting outcomes; here the outcome was that Obama was behaving in a manner inconsistent with his blackness; he was stepping outside of the boundaries of what Nadar saw as being his personal interests.

You knee jerks though are so caught up in self-denial that you can't see the forest for the 'trees'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 06/26/2008
- nowudont See Profile I'm a Fan of nowudont

You all are missing the big picture. This is Nader's noble attempt to teach us African Americans that our best leaders are people like himself, Rev. Sharpton, Farrakhan and Rev. Wright... you know... leaders who have been proven to make a real difference for us all. Wees Black folks in the ghetto all owes mista Nader a debt of gratitude! Thank ya sir!!!

Nader / Farrakhan 08! Diiinomite!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 06/26/2008
- imagine0594 See Profile I'm a Fan of imagine0594

A lot these blogs question why Nader is running at all, and I just can't get around the fact that this is a free country and he has the right to run if he wants to. How is it a bad thing to have more variety in presidential candidates?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 06/26/2008
- UncommonSenz See Profile I'm a Fan of UncommonSenz

Because it lead to Bush becoming President instead of Gore.

Nothing is free. Yes, he has the right to run. But he has to accept the responsibility for tipping a close election in favor of what will surely be seen as one of the worst leaders in history. He never owned up for that.

Variety is not bad, but distraction and dilution is not. While I would love a legitimate third party candidate (and Nader is not one) the more parties you have, the easier it is for the fringe to take control. Take Zimbawe, for example. Had Mugabe only faced one opposition candidate he would have been soundly defeated (even with his electioneering and torture campaign). However the two candidates split their base, allowing him to stay within fixing distance of a re-election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 06/26/2008
- markkraft See Profile I'm a Fan of markkraft

Anyone else find it amusing that Nader, who grew up speaking Arabic with his Lebanese parents, but never says a word of his native language in public anymore, accuses Barack Obama of trying ingratiate himself to Anglo-Saxon America?! What an ego-tripping phony!

Maybe Nader is upset that his former running mate, Winona LaDuke, recently endorsed Barack Obama on the Colbert Report. You have to ask yourself... why is she so anti-Nader nowadays? What did she learn from her experience of campaigning with him that makes her endorse Obama?!

Poor Nader. The only person he could persuade to his side this time around was a metrosexual San Francisco city councilman who represents the Haight-Ashbury district of town.

Those two are supposed to represent America and win the general election?! Yeah. Good luck with that. It says something that the Green Party has told Nader to take a hike.

When was the last time Nader made any of us safer? He could be making real differences in this world today, if only he was willing to support those who adopt meaningful policies. That's why you get people like Al Gore and Bono who are able to get *some* things accomplished on the issues that matter to them, even with crappy presidents like Bush, while Ralph Nader is collecting dust.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 06/26/2008
- wayoutleft See Profile I'm a Fan of wayoutleft

i hope people who read my respectful post to nader read this. not that anything i say is at all significant. i just feel obligated to reject these comments- and therefore nader's electoral effort this year. he is not any longer a refuge for radical liberals disappointed in the new tactical obama.
gentlemen, start your insults.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 06/26/2008
- buggedabouttheus See Profile I'm a Fan of buggedabouttheus

hell

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 06/26/2008
- boogie See Profile I'm a Fan of boogie

Just curious. You said none of Nader's remarks are making college cheaper. How has Obama's candidacy made college cheaper? I have three kids in college and it sure doesn't seem cheaper to me nowthat he is the nominee. I say this as an Obama supporter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 AM on 06/26/2008
- Yola See Profile I'm a Fan of Yola

His point is that while Nader is wasting air space to claim that Obama is not black enough he should be offering solutions on making our great nation better. Since you are an Obama supporter, you should be aware that at this moment, Obama is offering solutions he needs to be elected to bring it to fruition.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 06/26/2008
- kentay305 See Profile I'm a Fan of kentay305

i think obama should talk with nader and make nader a guard dog on illegal coporate actions since hes such an economical advocate. that is the best way to stick it to bad corporations. someone who is known economically to truly understand backroom practices and someone who isnt motivated by monetary standards...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 06/26/2008
- indypete See Profile I'm a Fan of indypete

Cool... someone who agrees with my theory! I've brought up similar concepts myself but never got any agreement out of anyone. Get Ralphie on the cabinet and out of the candidates' hair!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 06/26/2008
- Tommygun264 See Profile I'm a Fan of Tommygun264

I do believe Nader needs to be tested for mad cow - Ralph Nader would have never made such racist statements twenty years ago. The man has obviously lost it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 AM on 06/26/2008
- AlphaDoc See Profile I'm a Fan of AlphaDoc

If it wasn't obvious enough during the last two Presidential elections that Ralph Nader is drawing a Republican paycheck, this should make it perfectly clear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 06/26/2008
- beerguy See Profile I'm a Fan of beerguy

And you are delusional. Nader is anti corporation to the extreme

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 06/26/2008
- Tommygun264 See Profile I'm a Fan of Tommygun264

That's what he says, but the Republicans and their corporate cronies are the ones who have benefited most from Nader's last two campaigns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 06/26/2008
- jonmonbuckeye See Profile I'm a Fan of jonmonbuckeye

Nader is and always has been irrelevant. He is like the aging rock star still hanging their hat on that one big hit wonder (i.e. the corvair- which by the way the claims against were proven to be false). His attitude towards women and minorites have been well documented, so you just have to consider the source. I put him on the same level as the National Socialists in terms of rhetoric, and the best thing to do (which drives him crazy) is to ignore him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 AM on 06/26/2008
- dadw5boys See Profile I'm a Fan of dadw5boys

WOW I DID NOT KNOW THAT USING COMPLETE SENTENCES AND HAVING A GOOD VOCABULARY MAKE YOU WHITE????? WHO KNEW??

WHO IS GOING TO TELL THE BUBBAS IN THE TRAILOR PARKS?????

WHAT COLOR ARE THEY THEN???????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 AM on 06/26/2008
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