US abandons Afghan outpost where 9 troops died

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FISNIK ABRASHI | July 16, 2008 02:34 PM EST | AP

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U.S. soldiers walk to pass a makeshift bridge on a patrol in Parun, the capital of Nuristan province, east of Kabul, Afghanistan, on Saturday, July 12, 2008. An insurgent raid that penetrated an American outpost in eastern Afghanistan, killing nine soldiers, has deepened doubts about the U.S. military's effort to contain Islamic militants and keep locals on its side. (AP Photo)

KABUL, Afghanistan — U.S. troops abandoned a remote outpost in eastern Afghanistan where militants killed nine of their comrades this week, officials said Wednesday, in another sign of the struggle facing foreign and Afghan security forces strung out along the mountainous border.

Elsewhere in the frontier region, NATO launched artillery and helicopter strikes in Pakistan after coming under insurgent rocket fire, officials said.

The violence is another indication of the growing strength of the Taliban-led insurgency, especially in Afghanistan's east, where the outpost near the village of Wanat was breached by militants on Sunday. Nine Americans were killed in the deadliest incident for U.S. forces in three years.

On Tuesday, the insurgents drove out the handful of police left behind to defend government offices in the village, but 50 more officers were deployed Wednesday and soon regained control, senior provincial police official Ghoolam Farouq said.

The militants retreated into the mountains, and village elders negotiated a truce between the two sides, Farouq said.

Omar Sami, spokesman for the Nuristan provincial governor, said American and Afghan soldiers left the base Tuesday.

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NATO confirmed that the post, which lies amid precipitous mountains close to the Pakistan border, had been vacated while insisting that international and Afghan troops will "retain a strong presence in that area with patrolling and other means."

In Washington, Pentagon leaders said Wednesday they are looking for ways to send additional troops to Afghanistan this year, signaling an acceleration in what had been plans to shift forces there no earlier than next year.

"I think that we are clearly working very hard to see if there are opportunities to send additional forces sooner rather than later," Defense Secretary Robert Gates told Pentagon reporters. But, he added that no final decisions or recommendations have been made.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who recently returned from meetings with commanders in Afghanistan, said they clearly want more troops.

"It's a tougher fight, it's a more complex fight, and they need more troops to have the long-term impact that we all want to have there," said Mullen, who also met last week with Pakistani leaders.

The Pentagon has been wrestling with how to provide what they say is a much needed military buildup in Afghanistan, while they still have 150,000 troops in Iraq.

The retreat from the eastern outpost will be considered a victory by the insurgents, and comes after a spate of security setbacks for President Hamid Karzai's government, including a spectacular Taliban jail break in the southern Kandahar province in June that freed about 900 inmates, and a spike in attacks alongside the border with Pakistan.

In response, Karzai has stepped up his rhetoric against neighboring Pakistan, whose lawless tribal areas adjacent to Afghanistan serve as sanctuaries for al-Qaida and other militants.

Karzai blames the attacks _ including suicide bombings and cross-border raids _ on Pakistan's intelligence service, alleging they are behind the insurgency in Afghanistan. Pakistan denies the charge saying Karzai is trying to create "an artificial crisis" to deflect attention from his own failings.

The accusations have pitched relations between these key U.S. allies to their lowest point since U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in 2001.

In other violence reported Wednesday, the U.S.-led coalition said eight civilians were killed when it called in airstrikes after one of its patrols came under attack in the country's west. The issue of civilian casualties has caused friction between the Afghan government and U.S. and NATO troops, and has weakened the popularity of the Western-backed Karzai.

In a separate statement, the coalition said another airstrike killed several militants after they attacked a joint U.S. and Afghan patrol in Kandahar province's Shah Wali district on Tuesday.

The governor of Kandahar said eight militants were killed during an operation in the southern province's Khakrez district in the past two days. A regional Taliban commander, Mullah Mahmoud, who controlled about 250 fighters, was among those killed, a NATO statement said.

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Associated Press writers Amir Shah in Kabul and Noor Khan in Kandahar and Lolita C. Baldor in Washington contributed to this report.

 
 

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- Rog49Thomas See Profile I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas

Only a moron refuses to withdraw from an indefensible position or one where he takes unacceptable casualties for no purpose.

Not only is this true in a guerilla war - such as Afghanistan - but as well in conventional war.

Holding the ground whatever the cost is not the stuff of which military genius is made..

Not von Paulus at Stalingrad.

Nor DeCastries at DBP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 07/17/2008
- FOXYLADY See Profile I'm a Fan of FOXYLADY

ONE SENTENCE ROG49......"....BUSH SHOULD HAVE 'STAYED THE COURSE' IN AFGHANISTAN INSTEAD OF 'INVADING' IRAQ!!! REALLY DUMB HAPPENING..........WE AMERICAN CITIZENS WERE REALLY 'FOOLED' BY THIS GD ADMINISTRATION!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 07/17/2008
- HallStyle See Profile I'm a Fan of HallStyle

This is a shame. We can't even beat some guys hiding in the hills using out of date weapons that don't even have body armor. What advantage do they have over our military? One thing, they have pride. It doesn't matter if we have more troops or not they will never give up. Our government doesn't have the resolve to handle these guys I believe this why we dropped the ball in Afganistan. I think they quickly realized the difficulties there and opted to go after the easier target IRAQ.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 07/17/2008
- AzRealProgressive See Profile I'm a Fan of AzRealProgressive

They are beaten. That is why they are hiding in the hills. I guess their pride dictates that they must hide wherever they can, wait until their opponent leaves and then come down to villages and announce they are the boss, at least until we return.

Some victory for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 07/17/2008
- MajorKong See Profile I'm a Fan of MajorKong

Haven't you read Mao's book on guerilla warfare?

"When they advance, we retreat"
"When they rest, we harass"
"When they retreat, we advance"

Any smart guerilla knows better than to take on a conventional power in a straight up fight. Did you really expect them to line up and fight a set-piece battle on an open battlefield?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 07/18/2008
- arvay See Profile I'm a Fan of arvay

There will be an unlimited supply of Taliban and others like them as long as we pursue our crazy Mideast policy. They can absorb very heavy casualties.

There were a few million Vietnamese. There are a billion Muslims.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 AM on 07/17/2008
- researcher See Profile I'm a Fan of researcher

we will lose both wars

count on it

illegal wars have a way fo being lost

ie vietnam

we are the invaders it is thier home thier people

they can wait us out

drain our treasue what am I saying the banks are doing that

aint capitalism great

we borrow from communists, socialists, and kings and still trout capitalism as the best economic system in the world

paradigm paralysis again

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 AM on 07/17/2008
- AzRealProgressive See Profile I'm a Fan of AzRealProgressive

So, what system is better than capitalism?

What happens if both wars are won? Thoughts on that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 07/17/2008
- MajorKong See Profile I'm a Fan of MajorKong

If both wars are won, we'll still be broke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 07/18/2008
- Meatball1 See Profile I'm a Fan of Meatball1

I see a massive outbreak here of "Cranial Rectal Inversion Syndrome". There is only one cure for this horrible disease. It is painful for patients, but it is the only way.

One must engage themself in the treatment totally. Mind and Soul must be completely dedicated to curing ones self.

Politics must be completely discarded and replaced by common sense for the treatment to work.

Good luck to those who choose to be healfhy.

For the cure, just go to http://www.djgoski.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 07/17/2008
- FOXYLADY See Profile I'm a Fan of FOXYLADY

OUR MILITARY MADE OUT TO BE 'EVIL'?? WHERE IN THE WORLD HAS THIS PRESENT ADMINISTRATION 'EVER' USED COMMON SENSE? IT SEEMS TO ME THEY HAVE CONSTANTLY GONE OFF "HALF COCKED" OR WITH "PLAYED LIES" AND MACHINATIONS. WOW, MEATBALL.....I THINK YOU'D BETTER "THINK AGAIN"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 07/17/2008
- AzRealProgressive See Profile I'm a Fan of AzRealProgressive

Good luck with that therapy. Thank you for the link. Well done.

For therapy to work, one must first realize some form of treatment is needed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 07/17/2008
- MajorKong See Profile I'm a Fan of MajorKong

The fact that we're even having this conversation 6+ years after the invasion pretty much proves it's a mess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 07/16/2008
- geobushono See Profile I'm a Fan of geobushono

And we will lose this one too.....it's what the Military does......it hasn't a clue how to 'win' any of the 'wars' we start....and eventually lose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 07/16/2008
- AzRealProgressive See Profile I'm a Fan of AzRealProgressive

Sorry pal. Wrong The war was won in 2001. Every objective was met. This is 7 years later. Every year the Taliban do the same thing. Every year a few hundred less return with nothing to show for it. How many hundreds of Taliban died in this little raid? For what?

By the way since you have so much invested in defeat, have you read history? America did what no power had ever done in Afghanistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 07/17/2008
- FOXYLADY See Profile I'm a Fan of FOXYLADY

PROGRESS??? DO YOU REALLY THINK THE TALIBAN ETC. ARE FEWER IN NUMBER NOW? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....GET WISE AND GET AN EDUCATION.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 07/17/2008
- okayigive See Profile I'm a Fan of okayigive

I guess your definition of won is illusive. When will the likes of you realize that the US has not won in this war or the invasion. All that's happened is to start something without finishing it at a tremendous lost of lives, limbs, family stability, mental stress and strain, US standing globally and money. Maybe if we had done what we were suppose to do originally then we wouldn't be in this mess now by having our military bounce from place to place. BTW I ran across a new bit of information on another site showing that once again MSM fail to do there job. While Sen. Mcc is going around touting his ability to win wars, did you know that on Meet The Press on Oct.21, 2001 that he said " that he thought that the war in Afghanistan should be settled first before going into Iraq." And he use to think that it was important to have everything in Afghanistan settled firs, Osama bin Laden caught, and the Taliban regime extinguished. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/17/63046/6692/392/552866, Entitled The Huge McC Blunder No One Knows ....Yet

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 07/17/2008
- scouserinlondon See Profile I'm a Fan of scouserinlondon

Every objective was met?.They captured Bin Laden? Must have missed that.....YIPPEEEE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 AM on 07/17/2008
- 1proudinfidel See Profile I'm a Fan of 1proudinfidel

This one too? Which war are you referring to? The war on poverty? illiteracy? Certainly you are not talking about Iraq are you? Last time I looked at the news, Iraq had assumed control of the 10th of 18 provinces. Guess that means we lost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 07/16/2008
- MajorKong See Profile I'm a Fan of MajorKong

We only lost $2 trillion from the treasury. That's a whole lot of money just to take out a guy we already had well contained.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 07/16/2008
- AbstractImp See Profile I'm a Fan of AbstractImp

Maybe the Pentagon can show Russia a different way to lose the Afghan war.

Only now it begins to look like this is growing into the Pakistan war, as Sam Nunn has suggested.

So where do the wars end? Do we just keep attacking everyone who hates us?

What happens when everyone we attack gets together and starts retaliating?

Where will Bring Em On Bush be then? What kind of executive privilege will they declare then?

As a society we have to stop what we have been doing as a nation.

Most of the people who have suffered by our actions in the world, the last several decades, even over the past century, from all through Latin America, to Vietnam, Iraq, have been simple people, who wanted to raise families, vegetables, and livestock.

As our fortunes as a nation take a turn downward, and threaten to fail, we should not be picking excess fights with foreign powers, increasing further the insecurity of all.

Seven years later, the original enemy is still lose in the mountains of Pakistan.

Is he going in? Is that why he is FINALLY TALKING TO IRAN?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 07/16/2008
- FOXYLADY See Profile I'm a Fan of FOXYLADY

GREAT POST, ISN'T IT TOO BAD THAT OUR 'PRESIDENT AND HIS MINIONS' DON'T HAVE THE INTELLIGENCE OR COMMON SENSE TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE "CREATED" IN THE MIDDLE EAST.........THINGS ARE WORSE THAN THEY'VE EVER BEEN........TAKE IT FROM A WOMAN WHO HAS LIVED ALMOST A CENTURY AND THROUGHT SEVERAL WARS....................

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 07/17/2008
- Javani See Profile I'm a Fan of Javani

"have been simple people, who wanted to raise families, vegetables, and livestock."

These are opium growers.

The suppression of opium growing is the major forcer of resistance by the so-designated "Taliban."

And "the world" is behind the USA this rare time.

Iran too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 07/16/2008
- CC1 See Profile I'm a Fan of CC1

Dead American troops. I'm sure somewhere that troll USAisEVIL is laughing....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 07/16/2008
- abouttime See Profile I'm a Fan of abouttime

Is this out post called Hamburger Hill?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 07/16/2008
- Sneaky See Profile I'm a Fan of Sneaky

Difference being the attackers didn't take this hill. Minor detail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 07/16/2008
- MajorKong See Profile I'm a Fan of MajorKong

Dien Bien Phu

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 07/16/2008
- AzRealProgressive See Profile I'm a Fan of AzRealProgressive

Only a historical ignoramus would offer that as an analogy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 07/17/2008
- KQuarksSuperKollider See Profile I'm a Fan of KQuarksSuperKollider

This is our first defeat in all the battles in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is a huge problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 07/16/2008
- AzRealProgressive See Profile I'm a Fan of AzRealProgressive

Nope. Stratfor the intelligence people that are world class independents, concluded we are not winning in Afghanistan for several reasons. We already won the war, bu this insurgency has had some success in places.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 07/17/2008
- Sneaky See Profile I'm a Fan of Sneaky

Defeat? The insurgents were beat back. Pretty soundly, at that. It was later that the military withdrew from that outpost, not during the fight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 07/16/2008
- MajorKong See Profile I'm a Fan of MajorKong

I'd say the fact that they can even put together that kind of force 7 years after we've occupied the country is telling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 07/18/2008
- abouttime See Profile I'm a Fan of abouttime

Battles?
When the force is so overwhelming in terms of weapons of mass destruction (levied on Iraq and Afganistan by the US), it is difficult to comprehend what you mean by defeat. The US lost when we Bombed them with cluster bombs, chemical weapons, and generally shocked and awed them into pieces.
War is not about winning or loosing - its about making money and taking life and turning it into dust.
NATO is doing it now in Afganistan and Pakistan with US direction and it's pissing off our puppet oil man in Afganistan named Karzai.

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