Wall Street\'s Crisis Hits Main Street

Wall Street's Crisis Hits Main Street

New York Times   |  Peter S. Goodman   |   March 21, 2008 12:14 PM


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In Seattle, sales at a long-established hardware store, Pacific Supply, are suddenly dipping. In Oklahoma City, couples planning their weddings are demonstrating uncustomary thrift, forgoing Dungeness crab and special linens. And in many cities, the registers at department stores like Nordstrom on the higher end and J. C. Penney in the middle are ringing less often.

With Wall Street caught in a credit crisis that has captured headlines, the forces assailing the economy are now spreading beyond areas hit hardest by the boom-turned-bust in real estate like California, Florida and Nevada. Now, the downturn is seeping into new parts of the country, to communities that seemed insulated only months ago.

The broadening of the slowdown, the plunge in home prices and near-paralysis in the financial system are fueling worries that what most economists now see as an inevitable recession could end up being especially painful.

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The bailout of the banks should be tied to a 40 year cap on bank interest at 10% and a cap on bank executive compensation of $200k inclusive of all bonuses and perks. Otherwise no deals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 03/23/2008

The strawdog Liberal moonbat Formula:

Risky bank loans + Fear = Economic woes

The REAL Liberal Formula;

Living above your means + never learning basic budgeting skills = financial ruin you blame on others.

Doubt this will get past the HP Censors #106- All post are now numbered to show the "missing" posts censored by the HP Thought Police.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 AM on 03/23/2008

Tator-tot, what did I tell you about getting your head on straight before posting in the business section? Hmmm??

How does your mind work that the economic woes are in any way, shape or form the responsibility of liberals??

You are right, though, that your posts should never make it past the police.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 03/23/2008

The real conservative corporate formula: Buy a simpleton Texass President + make horrible business decisions + ask We the People to bail you out = happy billionaires and a healthy GOP re-election fund.
In other words these neo-cowards have turned our once prosporous capitalistic economy into one that PRIVATIZES PROFITS while SOCIALIZING RISKS.

We've all noticed that you still haven't gotten 'round to enlisting yet Tator?
Let us guess, y'all have "other priorities" right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 03/23/2008

#1-Investment bankers made some bad bets.
#2-They're too big to fail.
#3-The sheep must be distracted by some loony reverend while we dump our bad investments on them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 03/22/2008

Wall Street with all its greed destroyed Main Street !
Because the Republicans destroyed the safe guards, we have some people getting very, very, very, rich and everyone else losing thier life.
Think 'contract on America.' The hidden agenda of the Southern Republican Party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 03/22/2008

The Southern Republican Party has been waging a War on the North and the rest of America since we REAL AMERICANS taught those traitorous maggots that lesson back in 1865...and, in the wake of religious whacko George Bush"s un-American regime, I now know why.
Like the Taliban or al Qaeda, hyper religious Evangelical Fundementalcases like George W. AWOL actually hate America and the freedoms she promises.

In my opinion we should float the idea to those leeches down south that perhaps they should secede from the Union again.
And we REAL AMERICANS should re-assure them that this time, we won't stop them.
Allowing them back in after their treasonous secession, was the biggest mistake we REAL AMERICANS ever made...and we"ve been paying for it since Reconstruction.
Come on all y'all NASCAR children; "IF AT FIRST Y"ALL DON'T SECEDE, TRY, TRY AGAIN!"
"The Confederate States of America" has a nice ring to it doesn"t it hillbillies?
Come on...JUST DO IT...trust us, y"all won"t be missed!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 03/23/2008

and people want to put a clinton back into office....fools never learn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 03/22/2008

It's not the Wall Street "crisis" that's affecting Main Street; it's the damn burden of the federal givernment that's dragging down Main Street.

A federal givernment creation, under the woeful "guidance" (sic) of Alan Greenspan, has artificially created a housing "crisis" by trying to give thousands of people homes which they cannot afford & did nothing to deserve.

Combined with the farcical "ethanol solution" which has managed to increase both fuel & food prices while drving up inflation - Are we sure that Jimmmy has not struck again?

Lib programs always produce the ass-opposite of their stated intention; never see one fail to do so yet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 03/22/2008

JohnKemp (who still hasn't enlisted for the Iraq Oil War) wrote:
"Lib programs always produce the ass-opposite of their stated intention; never see one fail to do so yet."

So slick, your President's multiple WARTIME TAX CUTS and corporate deregulation was actually designed to undermine our once stable stock market, our healthy housing market, affordable healthcare, good paying jobs here STATE-SIDE?
Becasue when you look back Einstein, that's exactly what your genius President has wrought on our once prosperous economy.

NOW GO ENLIST...BUSHY!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 03/23/2008

Did y"all get that?
According to this silly little Bushy, even though his party has controlled all three branches of our once honorable government for 6 of the past 7 years, it"s the liberal"s fault that our stock market is as stable as Sean Hannity at a gay pride rally, that our homes are worth only a fraction of their loan values, that our once good name is now Mudd all over the world, that inflation is at a 17 year high, consumer confidence is at a 26 year low and that the record budget surplus handed to George W. AWOL, by those very same liberals, is now a $4 trillion debt.
Man, being a republican politician has to be the easiest job on Earth; you work for people too stupid to know you"re screwing up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 03/23/2008

Ho Hum, another foaming-at-the-mouth kool-aid drinker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 03/22/2008

I'm scared.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 03/22/2008

Boo!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 03/23/2008

How funny...on a page talking about the horrid economy and how Americans will be suffering the downturn...there is a banner at the top of the page advertising diamonds. Got to love American consumerism, we just lost our house but hey, we just got a diamond ring for 70% off!

Wallymart must be lovin' it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 03/22/2008

Two things to do:

1 - Impeach the criminals Bush and Cheney

2 - Withdraw all US forces from Iraq

Wait, I'll add another

3 - to those who may complain about #2, send them to Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 03/22/2008

Only the beginning....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 03/23/2008

Heres a way to resolve these financial Problems- send the addicted gamblers to the foreign Creditors they swindled. Liquidate all their Co and personal assest to start, then place them on the international auction block to be sold off as slaves . This is the least of our rights since they have used US as unwitting collateral National Identity Theft with our Reputation and Futures hanging in the balance. Infact thoe who began and partook in this 'Sting' over the last century...Their Decendants can 'pay the bill'. they can either answer for their crimes Here or they can be handed over to their Creditors around the world. How much do you think we'd Get for Greenspan,Cheney .. and their families?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 AM on 03/22/2008

We are paying for these banks foolishness and greed to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars through the Fed. I think that we should demand something for our money. Like PERMANENT regulations on lending practices. Like the ones that the government has been throwing out since Reagan was in office. We need laws governing bonus packages, salaries and parachutes for CEO's and CFO's that are directly tied to the performance of their institutions.

We are being forced to pay for the lifestyles of these bankers and managers and right now we are getting NOTHING for our money!!! They wouldn't do this for us if the shoe were on the other foot. If we are in trouble with our credit because of foolishness, we cannot get the banks to bail us out!!!!

This is the biggest welfare handout ever and it is going to people and businesses who do not deserve it and in fact ran their businesses into the ground because of greed.

I want to see something for my money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 03/22/2008

Let me get this straight... people have lost $100,000's on their homes and Doofy wants to send them a check for $600? In the meantime, he will bail out his fat cat banker buddies for $30 billion?

Why do we pay taxes in this country? Is it for our politicians to live a luxurious lifestyle, and screw $5,000 an hour hookers (not that I have anything against that)?

Isn't it strange that people use $100 million dollars for a job that only pays $400,000 per year?

The bailout of Bear Stearns is another example of George W. Bush catering to the rich folks, and ignoring everyone else. What's new?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 03/22/2008

It's not Bush, it's the bankers forcing the govt. to bail them out. The only way that such a bailout should be agreed to is in exchange for long term regulation on the interest that can be charged by banks, severe restrictions on any type of foreclosure rights and caps on salaries and bonuses of bankers. I say it's time for a revolution if there aren't such ties.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 03/23/2008

This month"s electricity bill is double and yet my consumption is down. The standing charge is up also the tax portion. My telephone bill reads about the same, taxes for just living in a house have risen threefold this year.


The price of basics such as milk, bread, pasta, meat, fish, fruit and vegetables have risen over 30 percent since January and my wages stay the same with no hope of an increase on the horizon.


Heating fuel and petrol have risen over 40 percent in 6 months like most, I struggle just to buy the basics. No holidays, wine, going out or frivolous shopping, just basics.


I do not have credit at all, not by choice, but because my low income never allowed for a high credit rating (in retrospect, thank goodness).


I have a rent-free home with land that allows me to grow my vegetables, keep hens for meat and fresh eggs and grow my own fruit. I have wood stoves and am able to collect wood for fuel for free, so, all in all, I survive. Just.

I live in Europe and am grateful for free medical cover, while it lasts.


Why do I tell you all this?


It is because it is very important for you Americans to know that this serious and dangerous problem of lack of finances to allow for even the very basic survival is not exclusively an American problem, but is a worldwide problem that is affecting us all.


We are all suffering corporation profits being announced at billions, fat cats being bailed out of their errors with our tax moneys whilst we have to tighten our belts even more, pay even more taxes, knowing all the well that these beneficiaries of massive tax rebates are those who make billions, yet pay no tax themselves.


But you are not alone in this America. In Europe we are being served the same and like you, have now to choose between bootlaces or butter whilst global corporatism pisses on our heads and continue to kid us that it is raining.


It cannot continue.


Cromwell

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 03/22/2008

The diference here in America is poverty is voluntary.

The American Dream is alive and well and being experienced everyday by folks who work hard, live below their means, avoid substance abuse, understand how to budget and avoid stupid credit decisions.

Our Liberal press never tells you about the millions of Americans that are doing just fine....it does not fit their "We hate American Capitalism" dogma.

Doubt this will get past the HP Censors #107- All post are now numbered to show the "missing" posts censored by the HP Thought Police.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 AM on 03/23/2008

Yep Cromwell. There is zero economic justice anywhere. The greed and power lusters are screwing everyone over in their quest for the globalization economic model with about 10 people making the decisions for everyone. It is time for it to end. All the yak about social and religious differences is all a deliberate distraction for the feeble minded to not pay attention to what is going on economically.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 03/22/2008

We have no business telling a corporation how much to pay their executives. Citigroup gave a massive pay package to their ineffective past CEO and if some idiot wants to buy stock in such a company thats their business...and business hasn't been very good. The right thing to do is let them these companies fail. We already have a 400 billion dollar deficit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 AM on 03/22/2008

Maybe you"re right about executive pay being none of our business, but do we have to give them a tax break? Do we have to bail them out when their business fail? For that matter, do we have to send our kids to suffer death and injury so they can glom on to free petroleum and then sell to us at $100 a barrel. Don't forget the $12 billion a month insult that we have to take along with that.

Of course their business isn"t very good! They"ve managed to starve out their customers. That should tell how clever they are, they"re putting themselves out of business by destroying their customer base.

Getting ourselves out of this mess is going to take awhile but we can begin by doing more than just taking away their tax cuts. We need at least 40 percent of the money they"re stealing from us back. Another quick step is to close every military base that"s not in our own country. Read Chalmers Johnson"s "The Sorrows of Empire" to see this argument. We have to stop throwing our money around the world.

We need to manufacture our own crap; you know the cheap toys we buy for our children. At least we have enough sense not to color them with lead based paint. Every business that closes its factories in our country to make products with cheap labor overseas should find itself paying a tariff to sell them here. On top of that, the factories left behind should be up and running full tilt even if our government has to run them. We have to have work for our citizens to rebuild this nation"s consumer base. These jobs should create some wealth rather than just moving paper around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 03/22/2008

H.L. Mencken observed that democracy is the idea that people should get what they want, and they should get it good and hard. They are now getting Bush good and hard. More and more, it will make sense to vote with your feet. Canada still looks viable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 AM on 03/22/2008

Pinto beans and peanut butter.......yum yum

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 03/21/2008

Bailing out the people who took out a too-large mortgage for a too-big house should just suck the loss gamble. Buying a house is like buying a stock. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. The government doesn't bail out stock losses. The shouldn't bail out house losses.

If the government buys up the mortgage overage, then there are millions of people who have been waiting, but will never be able to buy a home because the government has kept prices higher than value. The job of the government is not to prop up false value. Government distortions will always damage reality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 03/21/2008

How did people without enough income buy such high priced homes?

Think about it ! How could they get someone to pass on this loan a being honest.

The property's value had to a lot more than the money loaned against it.

So you hoave to look at the property Appraiers being in Collusion with the loan maker who go the loan approved with the Underwriters.

When the loan makers sold the loan then the loan value / risk was covered by the appraisal.

Now the truth comes home. The RICCO ACT needs to be applied here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 AM on 03/22/2008

"How did people without enough income buy such high priced homes"?

By signing a contract they should have read? By convincing themselves they could make payments beyond their ability?

You can blame the lenders all you want, but no one made them take the stupid loan.

They are victims of their own ignorance and stupidity provided by our wonderful Liberal controlled school systems that taught them everything they need to know about basic finance.

Doubt this will get past the HP Censors #108- All post are now numbered to show the "missing" posts censored by the HP Thought Police.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 AM on 03/23/2008

Hey, Tator-tot, your posts seem to be getting past the police...I guess that makes you WRONG AGAIN, keeping your perfect record intact.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 03/23/2008

If I understand your post, you're worried that those of us who bought the too big house on a too-large mortgage are getting bailed out by the government. Not so my friend! Isn't happening, won't happen. WE are already foreclosed upon. We've lost our homes, our credit, our credit cards and in some cases our cars. We cannot change jobs because a credit check is deadly. Try to rent an apartment!

No, why should anyone want to help us? Our government chooses to spend $30 BILLION dollars helping Bear Stearns! Not us. Not New Orleans. Not Minnesota's infra-structure. Not Cleveland's Schools.

They will eventually help all of those who took advantage of us fools! Imagine I thought I was fine with a $350K condo and a $260 mortgage. When the interest rate of the mortgage went up and my refinance was even higher because I had too much credit (had been delinquent on any at this time!)....the whole house of cards came down.

So look, my friend, don't worry about us greedy idiots who bought all the property and then re-financed the hell out of it. With mortgage lenders calling, mailing and emailing us incesantly, we were total morons to take the bait of low-interest rates, enthralled as our home values in California went thru the roof!

But., I digress. I have a nice apartment in Los Angeles and somehow landed a good job. I am working with my creditors to pay off what I can and at the same time find the cash to buy a car....no credit available here. Heck, I wouldn't give myself a loan.

So, Joe, have a good life, but worry about something more important than the government helping out its citizens. Not when there are so many corporations in need!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 03/22/2008

Whatever happened to a 30 year fixed mortgage? Is that so old fashioned? Did people really believe that the days of interest only loans would last forever? It's like the dot com bubble all over again. It's like buying Pets.com because they have a cute sock puppet. Surely, THAT could never lose money.

While I feel bad for you, it is impossible to finance a $350K condo for $260. The math just don't work. That should have been your first clue. I paid more than that for a car payment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 AM on 03/22/2008

The ignorance displayed by your post is truly breath taking! Rather like the dim bulbs who argued that the Fed should just let Bear Stearns declare bankruptcy...

The issue isn't about bailing out people who took out mortgages that were too large but the people who were duped by unscrupulous lenders who often took advantage of often less than educated individuals by serving them bait and switch applications with a lot of unexplained fine print. Many people are guilty of being overly trusting. We have "truth in lending" laws in this country in case you missed it. If government fails to enforce these laws, then it has an obligation to make restitution to those who got screwed by unscrupulous lenders. Now that isn't so difficult to understand is it? There are perhaps even more significant (and self) reasons to support a foreclosure holiday: No one wins in foreclosure especially when there are no buyers for foreclosed homes. Homes that sit empty attract vandalism, and, along with unmaintained homes, negatively affect property values and future home sales, which in turn affect government revenues and the economy. There are many reasons for the government to step in and help people but if you can't figure this out for yourself my guess is that you're either not very bright, simply callous, or so hung up on conservative dogma that it isn't possible for you to see the benefits of anything but nonsensical laissez fair policies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 03/21/2008

A good explanation of why you are only partly right is the one provided on the PBS evening news on Friday. Yes, people did buy houses they could not afford. But, the Wall Street scam of pushing out the door shaky loans to support the CMOs is at the root of the problem. With the repeal of the Glass Stegall Act in the late 90s, the Wall Streeters were allowed to run wild. There was NO govt regulation. In the early yesrs of the Bush Administration, this scam really got rolling with the NO REGULATION Republicans in control of the US Congress. The lack of oversight by the US Congress, the failure of the Fed, the SEC, the US Treasury Dept, and the Comptroller of the Currency, all headed by Repubbies, to see this scam developing is at the root of this problem. Now Goldman Sachs Paulson is talking about the mortgage business needing more regulation. Too late!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 AM on 03/22/2008

yes biwee. I guess Joe Blough really earned his name with ignorance aided handily by MSM propaganda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 03/22/2008

Main Street has been feeling the crisis for years ... just look at downtown, all the independent businesses gone ... a ghosttown except in those toney areas where the 'real' people shop.

Now the crisis has hit the malls, filled with all the corporate shops. When they say main street they mean the mall, with all its corporate tenants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 03/21/2008


Excellent, spot on.............

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 03/22/2008

Tell you what...

Tell this story to every manager at every financial institution that was involved in the CDO scam and see if it registers,

I'm betting not.

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