New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, accompanied by Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill., speaks at news conference in Portland, Ore., Friday, March 21, 2008, after a rally where Richardson announced his endorsement of Obama. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

Candidates' Advisers Fault Obama Camp

DARLENE SUPERVILLE | March 24, 2008 03:47 AM EST | AP


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WASHINGTON — Prominent supporters of Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama on Sunday both faulted Obama's campaign for allowing a retired general and backer of the Illinois senator to equate comments by Clinton's husband _ which appeared to question Obama's patriotism _ to McCarthyism.

"I don't believe President Clinton was implying that," said New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, a former presidential candidate who endorsed Obama last week. "But the point here ... is that the campaign has gotten too negative _ too many personal attacks, too much negativity that is not resounding with the public."

After the Obama endorsement, Clinton adviser James Carville compared Richardson to Judas. On Sunday, Richardson said: "I'm not going to get in the gutter like that. And you know, that's typical of many of the people around Senator Clinton. They think they have a sense of entitlement to the presidency."

Asked whether Obama's campaign was being too negative in accusing former President Clinton of McCarthyism, Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, a Clinton supporter, said, "Of course ... the Obama campaign tries to have it both ways," he said.

Rendell said Bill Clinton was saying what many people think, that the campaign should focus on the economy, health care and the candidates' experience, for example, and not on race and other distractions.

"And instead they launch this all-out attack trying to take an inference out of President Clinton's words that no fair person could take," Rendell said. "It's an example of the negativity that Governor Richardson is talking about.

"If they want to tone it down, don't accuse someone of McCarthyism," Rendell said.

Both governors commented on "Fox News Sunday."

In Charlotte, N.C., last Friday and speculating about a general election matchup pitting his wife against Republican John McCain, Bill Clinton told a group of veterans: "I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country. And people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."

Retired Gen. Merrill "Tony" McPeak, a co-chairman of Obama's campaign, took offense and accused Clinton of being divisive and trying to question Obama's patriotism. Standing with Obama at a campaign stop in southern Oregon, McPeak repeated Bill Clinton's comments for the audience, then said:

"As one who for 37 years proudly wore the uniform of our country, I'm saddened to see a president employ these tactics. He of all people should know better because he was the target of exactly the same kind of tactics."

That was an apparent reference to Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign, when he was accused of dodging the Vietnam War draft.

McPeak also made off-the-cuff remarks to reporters Friday in comparing the former president's comments with the actions of Joseph McCarthy, the 1950s communist-hunting senator.

"I grew up, I was going to college when Joe McCarthy was accusing good Americans of being traitors, so I've had enough of it," McPeak said.


 
 

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Obama is a sniveling little bitch. He wants to make scurrilous insults while simultaneously crying foul over trivialities. He wants to hit as hard as possible while screaming about getting hit. So much for "new politics".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 03/25/2008

blame the victim. Bill must have learned that from his college days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 03/25/2008

Good news, Bill, you got your wish, except even better! There are THREE, not two, THREE candidates who love their country running for the presidency! Either he's bad at counting, or... uh oh! Has he inhaled recently?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 03/24/2008

The ex-President is alot smarter than McCarthy. His comments had an implied subtlety that McCarthy could only aspire to. If Bill wasn't trying to be clever, he failed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 03/24/2008

Being smarter than McCarthy and acting like McCarthy are two different things. Other folks are smart too. McSpeak called the spade a spade on this one. BC dropped his head and wagged his finger, as he did when he didn't get the is right. There are three candidates, so if he said only two are patriots, he wasnt too smart, the other four fingers came back to himself , and Hil. Yes, Obama and McC are the two who are showing patriotism to the young people, by not bashing another American candidate for Pres in public. Obama is not trying to fool the people by distorting truths regarding his moving around other foreign countries. Obama is not trying to fool his supporters by writing down snippets taken from the media about the wars, and reading them back to his supporter as if he knows all of it as first hand info. Watch Hil and listen as she slowly reads this info to her supporters on the campaign runs. This is misleading. When she is asked about things cold turkey she can't readily answer. This is a shrewed strategy to use in an attempt to win. She would also try this on one of the foreign leaders and she will be disrespected even more than women are disrespected today., This is why Hil is not the one ready now nor on day 1-100, Obama is likeable, electible and he is winning. This can be your winner too, just for a vote,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 03/24/2008

Bill Clinton is just another Neocon. He gave us the NAFTA negotiated by Daddy Bush. What else? Oh, I remember -- but it isn't nice to talk about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 03/24/2008

So let's see: hillary goes to Michigan and blames Obama for the fact that there won't be a revote, which she says is "unAmerican." Then her husband characterizes hillary and McCain -- but not the Dem frontrunner -- as two fine Americans. And we're not supposed to think that unAmerican was last week's clinton talking point?

Sure. And hillary dodged sniper fire after landing at the Bosnia airport. With her daughter. And Sheryl Crow. And Sinbad.

Right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 03/24/2008

Obama is faulted for what others say, but Hillary can't be faulted for lies she tells? Oh, dreadful sorry, misspeakings. And in her case one shouldn't mention that a duck quacks and a worm squirms. Why? Because those things are true -- so they do not fit her scheme.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 03/24/2008

Bill Clinton did not say that Obama was unpatriotic. If anything, Obama set this charge in motion by attending a church for 20 years where the preacher (and Obama spiritual advisor and mentor) called upon God to "Damn" America. What more can anyone say on the subject? But, but, but Bill Clinton............

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 03/24/2008

Hellaryl belongs to the Fellowship Prayer Group, also known as The Family. Do your research, and then we'll talk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 03/24/2008

I dont know about the Rev's church, but shouldn't you be concerned about the Clintons long run with this same Rev? They may have longer ties than Obama. After all Clinton was pres 16 years ago? This same Rev was at the WH. What's the difference ? Hil still goes to probably more of these kinds of churches than Obama. Do hil and bill have a church home, or is it whereever, they lay their hats is called home? We really don't know about these folks either Obama is fine. He and his family are in a church home. A church is a church.. Folks become tied to their churches, not to the rhetoric of the church leaders. Get a life, and stop bashing Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 03/24/2008

How about this: I am a veteran, like General McPeak, and we think that a draft-dodger like Bill Clinton has a lot of nerve questioning anyone's patriotism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 03/24/2008

I watched Obama standing beside McPeak and I thought of Charlie not Joe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 03/24/2008

Obama has more campaign contributions from military personnel than any candidate except Ron Paul. More than McCain and more than Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 03/24/2008

Well said!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 03/24/2008

Someone should get the dirt on Rendell. He is too enthusiastic. Even fund raising for Michigan and Florida revote?? Is that his business? We have learned that in politic, there is always dirt. Instead of asking Richardson what Obama promised him for his endorsement. May be someone ought to ask Rendell the same thing. Now .....he is definitely aiming to be Clinton's veep.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 03/24/2008


Sen Obama and David Axelrod have been busted!
Expect a statement from Sen Obama or someone else from his team either

1- 'apologizing' for Gen McPeak's perception of Bill Clinton's statement and that, Mcpeak's loyalty to Obama should be commended, MAYBE he stepped out of line just a bit with his McCarthy remark. Obama or spokesperson will then add "You know what guys- Clinton's campaign-with all the mudslinging, and maybe my folks too, you know with our campaign members' overenthusiasm-maybe things have gotten a little out of hand. I say here and now- from today on, I will convince Sen Clinton to join me in formally agreeing to the public that we will cease all this petty show of 'hissy fits' and "cat fights. "

2- Sen Obama, or someone else from his camp will increase the heat on their attacks on Sen Clinton's lack of integrity because she took so long in releasing the documents that the people requested to. Note: The Obama team's attack may focus on something else instead of Sen Clinton's integrity but hey...you get my drift...

The Obama team- the self-appointed "thought police" of the 2008 US presidential election campaign were at it again by INFERRING from remarks made by former Pres. Clinton, that the former prez. was questioning Obama's patriotism.

It is Obama & Axelrod's job, through inference and assumption, to uncover and punish "thoughtcrime"
and "thoughtcriminals" in effort to eliminate any members of society who would DARE even possibly think of challenging the legitimacy of the Obama campaign.

The Obama campaign has so much to hide that they figure the best "defense" is a good "offense." Keep everyone focused on the Bu*l Sh*t that is warrantless and/or has nothing to do with the campaign so that they don"t have time to spend investigating the Obama campaign tactics (race baiting, $ from lobbyists, strong-arming African-American Superdelegates, etc...) his choices for foreign policy advisors, his very CURIOUS voting record in Congress that sabatoges attempts to help the midle class, his position on reparations for slavery, his stance on Iran (is there a pre-emptive war in our future) I could go on and on...

David Axelrod has made a niche for himself by marketing black candidates-Obama team promotes racial division so Obama gets the sympathetic whites & angry black votes. Read on¦
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304
The New Republic, "Race Man" by Sean Wilentz
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070219/hayes
The Nation, "Obama"s Media Maven" by Chrisptoher Hayes. 2/19/08 issue

Sen Obama talks about certain race issues but omits discussion on a VERY IMPORTANT RACE ISSUE:
Reparations for slavery both in the U.S and in Africa- Last year Sen Obama supported the very controversial 3rd ward Ald. Dorothy Tillman in her runoff against an independent candidate. Tillman is one of the most important and outspoken U.S advocates of reparations for slavery.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/miller/309639,CST-EDT-MILL23.article
SunTimes Commentary- "Will 3rd Ward politics affect Obama's presidential race? " by Rich Miller 3/23/07
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Tillman

What about Sen Obama"s position regarding reparations for slavery from western and ex-colonial European powers for Africa and African nations? During the 2001 UN-sponsored World Conference against Racism, many African nations demanded an apology-plus other things- from ex-colonial European nations for the role they (European nations) had in promoting the slave trade. Why doesn"t Sen Obama ever discuss this very important "race" issue.
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/africa/09/01/durban.slavery/index.html
BTW,
Sen Obama;s choice of foreign policy advisors:

Zbigniew Brzezinski- foreign policy advisor to Sen Obama. ZB wrote book advocating US control of Iran-by use of pre-emptive force if necessary:
ZB has been accused of being 1 of the several MAJOR reasons Osama Bin Laden was able to carry out terror attack on 9/11. Read why. He helped to arm Bin Laden & provide trained soldiers for his war on the US. (Infowars see below)
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a1097chessboard#a1097chessboard
"Context of "October 1997: Brzezinski Highlights the Importance of Central Asia to Achieving World Domination" Cooperative Research History Commons
http://www.infowars.com/?p=370 "Meet Obama"s Foreign Policy Brain: Zbigniew Brzezinski" By Aidan Monaghan 911 Blogger 2/20/08
Sen Obama has also taken on board as foreign policy advisor-Dr Susan Rice.
Dr Susan Rice , a 1986 Stanford graduate and Rhodes scholar with a doctorate from Oxford University has been accused of being another MAJOR reason why Osama Bin Laden was able to carry out terror attacks on 9/11. She convinced US govt not to accept Sudan offer to turn over Bin Laden to US in 1997 despite convincing arguments to the contrary provided to her by other US and foreign officials friendly to the US. .
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2002/01/osama200201
The osama Files, January 2002, David Rose
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0144,gould,29537,1.html
"Thanks But No Thanks-How the U.S. Missed a Chance to Get Bin Laden"
by Jennifer Gould, The Village Voice, 10/30/01
Richard Miniter, "Losing Bin Laden"
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=omar_al-bashir
http://www.espac.org/terrorism_pages/osama_files.asp
Oh, I almost forgot. What"s up with this???
Sen Obama"s campaign manager and strategist David Axelrod is involved with another company that works for corporate clients in helping shape public opinion about the company. Check out the clients this company has. Can anybody define "Major conflict of interest?" By the way, read about the fact that Illinois does not require public-affairs firms to register as lobbyists unless they seek to influence officeholders directly. Nice protection for your state" citizens Sen Obama¦real nice¦
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/mar2008/db20080314_121054.htm?campaign_id=rss_daily
Businessweek, "The Secret Side of David Axelrod -The master of "Astroturfing: has a second firm that shapes public opinion for corporations- by Howard Wolinsky 3/14/08

See, now if the corporate owned consolidated mass media organizations wanted to, they have a lot MORE IMPORTANT issues to investigate and write about- instead of the b*ll sh*t crap they have been writing about these past seven months...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 03/24/2008

Hey Athy, you either are very good at research, or you work for Hellary's campaign. How about some research on your candidate? For example: Taxes, donations, pardons granted, Yucaipa, Nursultan Nazarbayev, Dubai, Shiek Mohammad Bin Rashid Al Martoum. Workplace Religious Freedom Act. Defense of Marriage Act.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 03/24/2008

Mcspeak was responding to Bill Clinton. This is not like Mcspeak was dissing Hil. Infact, he spoke rather kind of Hil. while reminding bill to do unto Obama as he wished all to do unto him when he was called unpatriotic. There is a difference in these remarks. Hollar to, Hollar back. Wave to, wave back. This requires a different reaction only if a different tactic is used. We are smart too, At least smart enough to know that you dont get this complaint both ways.... Be a clean fighter if you must fight at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 03/24/2008

You also forgot that he put eight great tomatoes in that little bitty can....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 03/24/2008

You left out Obama's endorsement of Joe Lieberman

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 03/24/2008

Looks like this ex presidnt is turning into a High Priest of Divisivness and Disingenuousness, and is willing to willing to compromise whatever little integrity that he has left, in order to win at all cost.

Its really shameful to see this in a former president, but it has become very apparent that any man who holds that office will eventually be exposed for who he truly is , in due time.

And on judgement day don't be surprised to see a lot of former presidents being sent to the sad side of eternity. May the Lord have mercy on them,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 03/24/2008

"I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country."

If Bill Clinton's statement wasn't a jab at Obama, then what was he trying to say?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 03/24/2008

Why would you think this is a jab at Obama? I'm sure he loves his country as does his wife even if she is ashamed of it.Not touching your heart during the playing of the anthem does not mean you don't love your country just that you have reservations about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 03/24/2008

exactly.

Let him explain it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 03/24/2008

he already did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 03/24/2008

Uh oh, I see him raising that finger already....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 03/24/2008

With all due respect to Richardson, who is trying not to personally criticize either Clinton out of loyalty, I believe, and in the context of the national conversation regarding Obama and his church and with no other statements regarding the issue from Hillary or her camp. Bill's attempts to slice and dice the electorate in ever smaller micro campaigning (in this case a veterans group) was an obvious attempt to capitalize on the misconceptions regarding Reverend Wright, his church and Obama. Obama's campaign cannot allow the Clintons paint them as "unpatriotic" no matter how subtle the dig. And the Clinton's should be ashamed of using inuendo to once again talk up McCain and talk down Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 03/24/2008

What do you expect of "I didn't have relations with that woman"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 03/25/2008

Slippery Hillary and Slick Willie says it all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 03/24/2008

I agree; the Clintons should stop the name calling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 03/24/2008

Joe McCarthy was the personification of Orwell"s nightmare future. He was the big brother that arbitrarily decide based on his own warped view of the world who was to be damned and who is not. He was also very much a Republican and the Republicans supported him from the top to the bottom. From Eisenhower to Joe Six Pack they believed that his malicious accusations of communism were providing a necessary service for the country. To them anyone who dared in any way to criticise the government was unpatriotic and should be labelled a communist.

Just how far have we evolved from that thinking today? For the first four of the last five years anyone that dared criticise the Iraqi war was labelled an unpatriotic, terrorist supporter. And now you have Bill Clinton seeking to imply that Obama is not as patriotic as McCain or his wife. Why because he dared to criticise the war when they were supporting it or because of his association with a pastor dared to criticise the war?) That is just a polite form of McCartyism. If Bill Clinton did not intent to make that implication he should not have made the statement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 03/24/2008

I thought they were using Charlie McCarthy to respond to Bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 03/24/2008

Charlie McCarthy is a dummy... kinda like you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 03/24/2008

Damn right. He knew his statement could be taking out of context and yet he still said it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 03/24/2008
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