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Kristol: Race Discussion Makes Me \'Shudder\'

Kristol: Race Discussion Makes Me 'Shudder'

March 24, 2008 10:35 AM


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New York Times Bill Kristol says he "shuddered only once while watching Barack Obama's speech last Tuesday." It wasn't because Obama didn't answer the question of why he stayed in his church after his pastor's remarks were known to him, it wasn't when he linked Reverend Jeremiah Wright with Geraldine Ferraro, and it wasn't when Obama said he could not "disown" Wright. No - apparently what gave Kristol a case of agita was the fact that Obama suggested that we ought to have a conversation on race in the first place:

The only part of the speech that made me shudder was this sentence: "But race is an issue that I believe this nation cannot afford to ignore right now."


As soon as I heard that, I knew what we'd have to endure. I knew that there would be a stampede of editorial boards, columnists and academics rushing not to ignore race. A national conversation about race! At long last!

I know! Obama really should have thought everything through before he so greatly inconvenienced Bill Kristol! Has the Senator no sense of decency?

Buried somewhere in Kristol's lengthy pout, is something that can called "a good point." Or what could be "a good point," anyway:

Luckily, Obama isn't really interested in getting enmeshed in a national conversation on race. He had avoided race talk before the Reverend Wright controversy erupted. And despite the speech's catnip of a promised conversation on race tossed to eager commentators, it's clear he's more than willing to avoid it from now on.

There's no doubt that if Obama walks away from the issue now that he's raised it and started this editorial board stampede, he'll rightly come to be thought of as just another cynical agent of the "politics as usual." Maybe, though, he should give Obama say, more than a week to prove his devotion to the matter.

Still, as good as that point could become - given enough time - it's not really why Kristol wants to avoid a national conversation on race. See, what no one but Kristol seems to realize is that the racial divide has already been solved! Or...at least solved enough to his liking.

Racial progress has in fact continued in America. A new national conversation about race isn't necessary to end what Obama calls the "racial stalemate we've been stuck in for years" -- because we're not stuck in such a stalemate. In fact, as Obama himself suggests in the same speech, younger Americans aren't stalemated. They come far closer than their grandparents and parents to routinely obeying Martin Luther King's injunction to judge one another by the content of our character, not the color of our skin.

It all makes perfect sense! We're almost "routinely" heeded MLK's admonition now, so why would we want to mess with these perfect race relations? After all, the political conversation on the Democratic primary race has never, ever, ever lapsed into a discussion of identity politics and no one's ever suggested that Clinton and Obama are struggling to build beyond strict race/gender based coalitions, and Pat Buchanan never comes on the air pitching wisdom that's based on mid-twentieth century demographic tribalism. We should seize this moment as a great conversation ender and ride out all the racial bliss we've come to enjoy.

One thing you have to give Kristol credit for: wherever there is a stalemate, there is a call for no "national conversations." One need only examine the stalemate miasma that has been the result of all the neo-conservative fantasias Kristol has espoused to see the beautiful consistency of his argument. Still, some would say our Iraq misadventures are an even more pressing matter than race. In the end, I don't know who has got the better case for urgency, but the lack of conversation on both scores certainly makes me shudder.



 
 

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Don't bring reality or facts into little Billy's world. It makes him shudder.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 03/25/2008

good! keep shuddering kristol. we like it when you keep on shuddering..thats a good thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 03/25/2008

The desk jockey that kristol is makes a sad authority figure on deciding the legitimacy of national discussion. PS. Racism is a HUGE problem in this country. I'm saying that as a "white" person having grown up overseas in an international environment, a polar apposite to social structures in this country. The racial divisions in this country make me cry and @$$holes on mass media conglomerate TV like Kristol fill American heads with BS that justifies their racist mind set and fears. Its good for political agendas and bad for people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 03/25/2008

Absolutely reprehensible. I don't know how this guy can live with himself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 03/24/2008

The hubris of the older white man never ceases to amaze and infuriate me (and I'm an older white woman!). For those who don't get it, understand this ... Until we choose to openly communicate about the racial issues and come together as Americans, we will never achieve a positive future. What is he (and others) so afraid of? His bias against Obama is obvious, but is it only Obama or ....? To be clear, it isn't only the hubris of his ilk that is so outrageous - it's anyone who has the audacity to tell another (individual or group) whose path they've never walked, what they should feel, do and speak. (It reminds me of when a woman is in labor and the male doctor deems to tell her to quit pushing - She tells him to get up on the table and feel what she is feeling, then go through the entire labor, give birth and really share the female experience or quit trying to tell her how to do it!) So Mr. Kristol, et al. - until you endure the pains of others and are capable of birthing a new and better ideology, that will take us to a better place, take a deep breath and hold it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 03/24/2008

Kristol shudders because he is a coward. Spoken like a true punk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 03/24/2008

Why do we have to here the damn REPUBLICANS' non-opinions!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 03/25/2008

The psychological analysis nonsense of why Obama did or didn"t leave the church is meaningless, unless you have heard the lion share of these sermons. After all, over 8,000 people from a cross section of black and white American society did not leave the Trinity United Church of Christ.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 03/24/2008

both kristol and buchanan are both racist and digusting. i shudder when i see either of them skulk in front of a camera

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 03/24/2008

Kristol shudders because he is a snake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 03/24/2008

"First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known." The words of a republican racist speach for themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 03/24/2008

Yup. Did you read Buchanon's post on Barack's speech? Nough said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 03/24/2008

Good old Pat has further comments about Latinos. Seems he's done some math and figured out whites will one day be a minority in the good ole USA out numbered by Latinos. I wonder if he'll begin to put forth ethnic cleansing as a option? What Pat and others of his kind don't understand is that many of us see "Americans". We don't see brown, yellow, white, black, but Americans. When the chips are down, don't we all come to the aid of "America". Have not blacks forth in every war this country has been engaged in regardless of treatment inside and outside the military. Pat and his kind need to go the way of the dinasours. Is Pat afraid that the demons in his closet will get him? I don't know any blacks who are to "get" white folks. Have blacks started a revolution or something that I missed? Does he think people of color will rise up and over throw America. Get real!!! The vast majority of Black folks want to strive for the "American Dream", just like most everyone else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 03/25/2008

Blacks need the money and resources that white people have denied them and Obama is gonna those things for the black community, any way he can! It's about time! My man's gonna get me what I got coming, baby!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 03/24/2008

Kristol is not relevant. What he says or does means nothing to intellectual individuals who can actually think FOR THEMSELVES.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 03/24/2008

Little bigots like Kristol like to use race in politics and in life. He shudders because he fears being exposed for the ass he is. Even now, with that speech, anyone would be a pure jerk to make a racially charged comment against Obama. Kristol is scared that any discussion on race will expose him. Most white pundits are the same way and squelch and race discussion unless they can complain about their laughably trivial issues with race. Nearly every blog for major news sites shuts down any comment that even alludes to white complicity and aggrandizement on racial matters, while they freely let others post overtly racists comments about blacks. Just look at the ABC blogs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 03/24/2008

"..Little bigots like Kristol like to use race in politics and in life. He shudders because he fears being exposed for the ass he is..."Oh no, I take a more nuanced approach to what Kristol has in mind. He wants a less confrontational American public so there will be the manpower to fight all the Muslim countries. A good old-fashioned century of religious war will help us overcome the rethugliklan economic cesspool we're sinking into.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 03/24/2008

Are not al republicans thinking this way? Correct me if I am wrong. Of course Democrats, some, think this way, and most white americans if you grew up in the south or the northern industrial cities think this way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 03/24/2008

Yes, you are correct. And most people are in denial because they are comfortable that way. Blacks have even begun to co-opt and internalize white racist beliefs towards themselves and other blacks. Remember when "black leaders" kept saying Obama couldn't win back in Dec/Jan? They are quiet now because Obama is destroying everything they have learned about "staying in their place".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 03/24/2008

I would venture to say that even black folks have begun to think this way, too. It's called internalized racism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 03/24/2008

I don't thank most Blacks think this way. I think the problem that many blacks have is "trust". Not trusting the judicial system, not trusting their white employers, not trusting those who have the power to make decisions that influence their lives. Not trusting that they will get a fair deal when they walk into a bank for a line of credit for their business, etc. I think "trust" is a great issue that blacks must deal with whether perceived or real.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 03/25/2008

Well thats the PNAC guy for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 03/24/2008

Perhaps Mr. Kristol would like to take a walk at midnight on the South or West side of Chicago and see if there is still no need for a "conversation"!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 03/24/2008

LMAO

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 03/24/2008

I shouldn't have laughed as hard as I did at your comment. I'm ashamed of myself. :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 03/24/2008

There will be no real race discussion because Liberals will not let it happen. Sure there will be the Liberals form of race discussion where all the blacks problems are the fault of white people, but their will be absolutely no discussion of blacks behavior.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 03/24/2008

What behavior would that be, Tator? Please include among your citations Barack Obama, Oprah Winfrey, Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, Tiger Woods, Thurgood Marshall, Bernard Shaw, Randall Robinson, Ralph Bunche, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Toni Morrison, Shirely Chisholm, James Baldwin, Gloria Naylor, Denzel Washington, Berry Gordy, Duke Ellington, George Washington Carver, Arthur Ashe, Nelson Mandela, Deval Patrick, Langston Hughes, Ralph Ellison, Claude McKay, Althea Gibson, Louis Armstrong, Kunte Kinte, Malcolm X, Medgar Evers. Please do not include the behavior of the first black American president, Biil Clinton. We are totally ashame of his behavior.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 03/24/2008

There already has been. Obama as much said the white distaste for affirmative action and fear of urban neighborhoods is justified. Obama haters try to force him into the old molds and they don't apply. You just end up sounding foolish. Vote McCain and get war with Iran because that's where he's steering the American people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 03/24/2008

Gee tator tot, where would you be from?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 03/24/2008

Tator I feel really sorry for your momma, she has obviously failed as a parent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 03/24/2008

You didn't see the speech did you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 03/24/2008

HuffPo's commenting is broken, as it deleted this part of my post (despite the preview showing it): *no offense meant to actual cavemen, who may have been exterminated by our prehistoric racist tendencies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 03/24/2008

Of course not. People with that sort of cavemen* mentality don't actually care to really learn about the issues. They continue to parrot the dark ages mentality given to them by their parents, bigoted friends, and Nascar communities (hate to say it, been there, done that, racist as all get out).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 03/24/2008
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