Clinton Backer Wants Primary Decided By Electoral Votes

Clinton Backer Wants Primary Decided By Electoral Votes

NY Times   |  Katherine Seelye   |   March 24, 2008 10:36 AM


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Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana, who backs Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton for president, proposed another gauge Sunday by which superdelegates might judge whether to support Mrs. Clinton or Senator Barack Obama.

He suggested that they consider the electoral votes of the states that each of them has won.

"So who carried the states with the most Electoral College votes is an important factor to consider because ultimately, that's how we choose the president of the United States," Mr. Bayh said on CNN's "Late Edition."


 
 

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Since the rules must be changed continually until the Neocon's favorite win's, I suggest we use golf rules. Lowest score wing! Congratulations, Hillary!! ===

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 03/25/2008

"I AM NOT A SORE LOSER! WHY! I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A SORE LOSER LOOKS LIKE" attributed to HRC or maybe to "Charming Billy "Clinton!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 03/25/2008

I am so tired of the Clinton's and their lies, and manipulative exploitive games I could scream ... make them go back under the rock they crawled out from ... How absurd .... let's try and change the rules again .. dear god .. they really are poor excuses for human beings ... it is pathetic to see a former President stoop to this low ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 AM on 03/25/2008

Pretty soon they will be suggesting that the race be decided by a game of rock/paper/scissors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 03/25/2008

Obama has proven himself to be as unprincipled -- as selfish and as much of a lowlife -- as Hillary is. He is willing to see John McCain win in November -- as his decision to torpedo a rerun of the MI and FL primaries almost guarantees that both states end up in McCain's camp.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 03/25/2008

this post has jumped the shark

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 03/25/2008

Here we go again. Obama stated for the record that he would support whatever the DNC came up with. The individual states determined whether or not to re-vote. Yet the Clintons are trying to foist this off on Obama and some people actually buy it. It is sad, really. Now, the Clinton campaign is trying to set up alternative scenarios and change the rules because the rules mean nothing to them. It is a shame that Michigan and Florida voters many not have a chance to vote, but it was their states that caused this whole mess to start with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 03/25/2008

Whatever they do, they had better do it with total transparency, or they will lose democrats big time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 03/25/2008

Note To Sen. Bayh: What you are suggesting is the quickest way I know to destroy the Demaratic, uh! democratic? party! What blue dress? "Just me and and Johnny "Ride The Bomb" McCain are qualif ied to be Commanderess In Chief? Billy Who???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 AM on 03/25/2008

Here we have yet another desperate attempt to claw back the nomination by luring the superdelegates into a coup...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 03/24/2008

Anyone want to send a message to Clinton to step out of the race? Here's a start:

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 03/24/2008

LOL! I think we can rule out Obama considering Bayh as a running mate. This seems so hilariously desparate!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 03/24/2008

In response to Bayh's suggestion: Hell, why don't we dispense with this pesky thing called democracy? It's way too messy, and those who are entitled to be in power should not have to contend with the humiliation of being judged by citizen voters. Sen. DLC, er, Bayh, hand over your Senator's salary, office, perks and benefits, paid for by some of the same taxpayers who cannot see fit to choose your candidate, and we'll talk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 03/24/2008

Heck Howard Dean is scared to death of the Clintons! SOme leader we choose to represent us! Time to through him out with the clintons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 03/24/2008

Not winning? Change the rules. Anyone familiar with George W. Bush's biography will note this was a hallmark of his formative years. Hillary appears to be more like W. each day. (Ironically, Obama is more like the Bill Clinton we knew in 1992- above the fray, interested in bringing people together, and so on).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 03/24/2008

Good lord! When will they quit? How many times do they want to change the rules? This is ridiculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 03/24/2008

If this went in Obama's favor, you would love it. Fact is, there is no accurate popular vote count. No numbers come out of caucus states, the votes of MI and FL are not included (they may have been denied their delegates right to be seated, but there are still vote numbers), there are still about a dozen states that have not voted, and the fact is neither candidate has won, and neither candidate has lost. The electoral count is every bit as valid as the methods the Obama camp wants to use. This is a political race. It's blind reasoning to think only one candidate can get away with using whatever means becomes available to try and win. Obama is doing this, too. Let's go by popular vote counts and end it NOW before we have the complete popular vote count. Can you see why this sounds just as ridiculous to Clinton supporters as the electoral count does to the Obama camp?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 03/24/2008

The Clinton people are unbelievable. The nerve. When will they accept the fact that Obama has earned the nomination and that this race is OVER. Had the situation been reversed, Obama would have long since withdrawn from the campaign for the good of the party. But the Clintons....their sense of entitlement approaches that of George Bush where he and the Clintons seem to think that rules only apply to others.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 03/24/2008

I can only conclude you need this to be OVER before it is proven your candidate has either won or lost because both are a fair distance away from the number of necessary delegates. Is your fear of a brokered convention because you have seen one in the past, or because the pundits are telling you the party is broken, divided and destined to doom if this goes on another day. My guess, and I'd challenge you to prove me wrong, is that the candidates are really, really tired of having to get up every day and say the same things over and over, defending themselves against some other off-topic, unimportant bit of trivia someone has dug up on them. But, they know they need to keep working at this until the numbers say one of them has truly won. The delegate vote must give them 2025 total, and until that happens, this will continue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 03/24/2008

at what cost and you would probably be at the head of the line calling for obama to withdraw if he were in her place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 03/25/2008

This guy is DLC. He is full of sh*t. He'd sell his own grandmother for more corporate bucks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 03/24/2008

And I'd like a yacht made out of gold, evan. Neither one is going to happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 03/24/2008

Did Barry's folk respond as vehemently, when he embraced a mini-convention for the super-delegates when he backed that notion? Why are there so many questions on what the purpose of the super-delegates job is? We now seem to rely on the likes of Pelosi and Richardson to (re)define their role. But friends of Barry don't complain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 03/24/2008

The Superdelegate role has always been independent. Nothing has changed there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 03/24/2008

Yawn. Another article about how Clinton would like to play by different rules. Caucuses don't count, small states don't count, Florida and Michigan don't matter, WAIT! now that Florida and Michigan matter I'll endlessly demand they be counted "as-is", delegates don't count - popular vote counts, electoral votes count...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 03/24/2008

You forgot "culinary workers don't matter now that their union hasn't endorsed me" and "i'll do everything i can so the texas causus votes don't matter either" ... oh my gosh the list goes on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 03/24/2008

Next it will be the states where the majority of people voted for Bill Clinton in the nineties, or the states where the majority of the voters are White, or the states where the majority of the voters are women...How did I ever vote for these people in the nineties!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 03/24/2008

"At the time, Mrs. Clinton, who had just been elected to the Senate, said, 'I believe strongly that in a democracy, we should respect the will of the people and to me, that means it"s time to do away with the Electoral College and move to the popular election of our president.' " Waiting for Democratic leadership to stand on principle.... Waiting......Waiting..... Waiting.........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 03/24/2008

Josh Marshall over at TPM said it perfectly:

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 03/24/2008

Seems the post got cut off...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 03/24/2008

Anything after the first paragraph is being cut off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 03/24/2008

Maybe Bayh "misspoke", like hillary did on Bosnia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 03/24/2008

no he usually reads what she's written for him to say, quite well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 03/24/2008

My husband and our 3 adult progeny all have long been Obama supporters. My 81 year old mother in law literally fought her way through law school and longed to see a woman in the white house and was originally a Clinton supporter ... Her grandchildren (2 are not particularly political) begged her to look at Obama ... but she told them she longed to see a woman in the white house before she died. She called me today to research something for her on the net ... I did .. and then she let out her disgust at the Clinton's and their lies and her unbridled support for Senator Obama ... I almost did a cartwheel as she was able to spout off each of the Clinton's litanies of lies during this primary season ... the electoral college nonsense really got to her ... she said she guesses she won't see a woman in the white house in her lifetime but she looks forward and supports Obama because of the refreshing change he will bring ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 03/24/2008

Inspiring, on many levels. Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 03/24/2008

Thanks for sharing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 03/24/2008

Good for your mother!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 03/24/2008

The people of our great country are speaking, and no matter how much the Clintonistas want to avoid it their message is clear. We want change. Not just from the tired politics and blunders of our current administration - a bag of potatoes would be a welcome change from that. We want a change from those who seek power only for its own sake regardless of political affiliation. We don't need another leader without a vision or the ability to unite us to address the issues we all share. We want a politician that will inspire our new century with new ideas and discussions. Hillary unfortunately does not embody that and never will. She is a political pimp who would do and say anything to get elected regardless of what is destroyed in her pursuit. Her kind of political manuevering and mischief is not going to work - not this time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 03/24/2008

I have to get this off my chest, this is exactly how I feel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h3G-lMZxjo&eurl=http://www.youtube.com/user/ParkRidge47

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 03/24/2008
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