Clinton: Pledged Delegates Are

Clinton: Pledged Delegates Are "Like Superdelegates"

Attywood   |  Will Brunch   |   March 25, 2008 09:34 AM


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One final note from the Daily News editorial board session with Sen. Hillary Clinton today: Near the end of the session, I had the chance to ask her what essentially was a two-part question, based on recent stories in the Politico and elsewhere that have crunched the pledged delegate and popular vote numbers and found the odds that she can pass Sen. Barack Obama are very slim. I tried to ask her 1) What she would do if Obama still has more delegates and votes when the primaries end in June and 2) What argument could she make to the unpledged superdelegates to give her the nomination if Obama does end up the choice of primary voters and caucus goers.

To be honest, I didn't feel she answered either question and she also made an odd statement that I hadn't heard before, insisting that pledged delegates are free to vote for any candidate, just like the superdelegates. She said, "We don't know what's going to happen between now and early June," and she went into a riff about the unfairness of the Michigan and Florida situation. Then she said:

I just don't think this is over yet, and I don't think that it is smart for us to take a position that might disadvantage us in November. And also remember that pledged delegates in most states are not pledged. You know, there is no requirement that anybody vote for anybody. They're just like superdelegates.


 
 

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I urge any of Hillary Clinton's pledged delegates who are disgusted with her lies, her divisiveness & her megalomania to take her up on her offer & switch their votes to Barack Obama. She just gave you permission to do that, didn't she? The worst she could do is label you a Judas & Bill Richardson seems to have survived that...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 03/26/2008

Good - that means that none of them have to vote for Bullit dodging Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 AM on 03/26/2008

Let's see how can they change the rules in her favor this time?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 03/25/2008


What Hillary really means is that she should be allowed to cheat because she dodged bullets in Bosnia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 03/25/2008

Remember Bill "Judas" Richardson when you read this article.

THE FACTS: The Democratic National Committee has no rules requiring pledged delegates won in primaries and caucuses to vote for the candidates who won them. However, there are safeguards to help ensure that pledged delegates don't switch sides.

When people are selected in each state to serve as pledged delegates, they must be approved by the campaigns in advance. The campaigns, presumably, would only approve delegates they could trust to support them at the convention.

Obama leads the overall race for the nomination with 1,620 delegates. Clinton has 1,499, according to the latest tally by The Associated Press.

The breakdown:

Pledged delegates: Obama, 1,406; Clinton, 1,249.

Superdelegates: Obama, 214; Clinton, 250.

By Stephen Ohlemacher

Note the operative words "they could trust".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 03/25/2008

"she also made an odd statement that I hadn't heard before."

Why is a factual statement considered "odd" just because you didn't know it was true? Why are you and the MSM and Huffington Posters blaming Hillary Clinton for knowing more about the election process than a bunch of young, college educated, first time voters who know less about the political process than an experienced political candidate and their parents do. I only suggest that all of you at least take time to learn the rules of a game before you enter the game and try to change to "Obama Rules". Why was it against the Obama Rules for John Lewis to support Hillary Clinton but not against the rules for John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, and Bill Richardson to support Obama for the same reasons. Besides, there are many voters who are having "buyer's remorse' and want their vote for Obama back and the only way is for the so called "pledged delegates" to switch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 03/25/2008

than a bunch of young, college educated, first time voters
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LOL. You make it sound as if being college educated is a bad thing. Try it if you get a chance. But, first, focus on finishing Middle School.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 03/25/2008

This is very good to know because I have talked with so many people here in California and family and friends in Nevada and Texas who have so regretted voting for Barack Obama after learning about his church and his minister's racist and anti-American rants from the pulpit. They have been so upset, wishing they had voted for Hillary Clinton. I will be making some phone calls right now. I told them they should have voted for Hillary and now they will know they still can. One of my sisters is a pledged delegate as are a couple of her friends. She has been regretting her choice for Obama. Now, she can talk with the others and come up with a plan for the convention.

GO HILLARY!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 03/25/2008

Well, Hillary, I guess you just gave your pledged delegates permission to change their mind and go for Obama! Thanks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 03/25/2008

What we see from both the Clinton campaign and the McCain campaign is the result of the failure of our political system to advance to the highest levels of power those who are dedicated to improving the American experience. Both McCain and Clinton are egon-centric megalomaniacs who seek nothing more than power for power"s sake.

It appears as though there might be other agendas involved in the current presidential race. Clear, it is, that Clinton and McCain differ not in their approach to the international situation, particularly the Middle East. This is not surprising considering that Bush, the interests whom McCain represents, protected the Clinton"s in some of Bush's earliest acts as President by closing dozens of investigations of President Clinton. It appears that Hillary is now attempting to sabotage the Democrats chances of getting into the White House as, perhaps, some sort of ongoing reciprocity with the Bushes? Why else would Hillary not be stepping down.

The one silver lining in all this is that Senator Obama, who is not beholding to the internationalists, will divulge the myriad of criminal enterprises spawned under Bush 43. Hopefully, the good Senator will expose some of the issues that surrounded President Clinton, which Bush 43 kept from the public.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 03/25/2008

Hillary Clinton is presenting me with another "liar or fool" dilemna? Which is worse, that she doesn't know that she's wrong, or that she does, but wants people to think she doesn't?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 03/25/2008

you're exactly right, Brooklyn. As to this issue and others, including her vote for the War, I would rather she admit she made a mistake, apologize and move forward. It is that exact feeling so many of us have, that gnawing in our stomach, something just doesn't add up ... that is the real turn-off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 03/25/2008

Either way, it's lose-lose for us if she gets to run the WH!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 03/25/2008

No chance of that - half her votes are limbaughs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 03/25/2008

The Superdelegates should vote for the NATIONAL popular vote winner. The Presidency is our only nationally elected official and we should nominate and elect that person directly via popular vote. The whole "delegate" system is a silly intraparty version of the antiquated, undemocratic and immoral Electoral College. We shouldn't be empowering delegates and electors. In the 21st Century we should be empowering voters and citizens. That person is likely to be Obama. Fair enough. Neither Clinton nor Obama were my first, second or third choice this year, but Obama is an acceptable nominee and is almost certainly the vote choice via popular vote. The superdelegates should be asked TODAY to either pledge their support or expressed how they will pledge their vote after the primary season is over. Empower voters and citizens, not "electors" and delegates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 03/25/2008

so over her

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 03/25/2008

Hillary is a dirty, rotten, snarling, vindictive, venomous, swinish, thug

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 03/25/2008

Where we are all equal as Americans - despite our differences - is in the voting booth. Our vote is sacred. I think she was in tune with how we feel now - with paying for Iraqies to vote, after 8 years of Bush, feeling our patriotism for this country after 9/11 - we really want to vote this year.

I live in a western caucus state. I felt it was Obama supporters who acted so aggressive in my caucus that a foreign army had invaded and I had only one choice. Caucuses are a terrible way to exercise one's vote. Very undemocratic really. A voting booth please.

Now if I lived in Florida or Michigan - I would be angry about the way my vote was being treated too. I don't care what the rules were - my vote is more important. If my party would continue to refuse that to me - it would devalue my vote enough that I would protest in some way.

Obama needs to be held accountable. Either he honors the American vote or not. It really is a matter of patriotism. This would be a way for him to redeem himself with American voters. Trust the process of voting Obama. Leave your future up to us. This is our time. My vote needs to be treated as a patriotic sacrament.

Think about the opportunity Obama is passing up. This year - Americans don't care too much about race - we care about voting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 03/25/2008

Carville's comments about Richardson reveal that the Clinton camp is setting this up as a civil war. It was a warning shot to superdelegates who might be thinking about supporting Obama; telling them that they can expect public derision,and private ostracism, from the Clintons and their cronies.

They've got to end it now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 03/25/2008

Hillary is a lying sack of manure who has poisoned the body and soul of the Democratic Party. The DNC needs an enema to flush Hillary out and cleanse the Democratic Party

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 03/25/2008

Where we are all equal as Americans - despite our differences - is in the voting booth. Our vote is sacred. I think she was in tune with how we feel now - with paying for Iraqies to vote, after 8 years of Bush, feeling our patriotism for this country after 9/11 - we really want to vote this year.

I live in a western caucus state. I felt it was Obama supporters who acted so aggressive in my caucus that a foreign army had invaded and I had only one choice. Caucuses are a terrible way to exercise one's vote. Very undemocratic really. A voting booth please.

Now if I lived in Florida or Michigan - I would be angry about the way my vote was being treated too. I don't care what the rules were - my vote is more important. If my party would continue to refuse that to me - it would devalue my vote enough that I would protest in some way. I would try to take my feelings out on someone.

Obama needs to be held accountable. Either he honors the American vote or not. It really is a matter of patriotism. This would be a way for him to redeem himself with American voters. Trust the process of voting Obama. Leave your future up to us. My vote needs to be treated as a patriotic sacrament.

Think about the opportunity Obama is passing up. This year - Americans don't care too much about

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 03/25/2008

So she's against democracy now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 03/25/2008

Democracy is when you let everyone vote. This year, everyone wants to vote. Don't stop the vote. Obama - listen to all the voters. Don't try to go it alone.

Hillary is red, white, and blue. Obama can be painted as green (for inexperience), and yellow (for being whimpy and whining), and black (for making us think about race when we don't want to).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 03/25/2008

Vsign.......I've noticed that all of Hillary's supporters have the same thing in common. They are not well informed and they're nasty just like her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 AM on 03/26/2008

Obama isn't whimpy, he dealt with the race issue head-on unlike Clinton.

He isn't whining, she's the one who keeps painting herself as a victim and changes the rules when things don't go her way.

He didn't make people think about race, his opponents and the media did. He just tried to make the conversation adult and productive.

I guess you could say Hillary is red with anger at losing so much, white with terror at imaginary snipers, and blue inside because she's losing in every measurable way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 03/25/2008

Hilary is not red, white and blue you simpleton, she is in it for herself. Care to explain how Obama is whimpy and whinning? The only whinning I hear is from the Clinton camp. Come on Wolfson, you can do better than this drivel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 03/25/2008

This is the real reason Hillary wants FL and MI to count so badly. She figures the so-called "pledged" delegates will be much more open to persuasion since they do not have an actual election to base their support on. She realizes it's her best chance.

As a Floridian I can honestly say that I voted in the primary solely due to the property tax initiative on the ballot. I was fully aware of the fact that my vote for president would not count. The FL and MI delegates should not be seated because we cannot go back in time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 03/25/2008

I think, unless somebody drops out before the convention, Clinton as Obama will fight to with the nomination. Without MI and Fl participating, nobody holds the moral high ground to anything. No fair fight, no beat you fair and sqaure, so fight on candidates. Fight on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 03/25/2008

I was listening to an expert ( I forgot who) but he compared delegets like a dog with a bone, their loyality to their candidate is absolute. Hillary has a better chance with superdelegets and they been abandoning her since Feb. 5.
Drop out, Hillary, we need to unite and you are not a uniter, proof look at this race and if you need a reason, we just had one, 4000 deaths. Here's your Commander-and-chief moment. Here's the phone ringing at 3 am. It's no longer playtime, we need to stop McCain/ Bush/ Chenny (remember:"so?" and "they voluntered") and their 100 year war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 03/25/2008

LOL...And, you think Barack Obama is a uniter???

He is farrrrrr from it, Friend.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 03/25/2008

Oh really? Far more than Hillary, just read these postings, all the proof you need.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 03/25/2008

Democrats, Republicans, and Independents are coming together to support him. He hasn't attacked anyone. How is he not a uniter?

Meanwhile camp Clinton is marginalizing everyone who doesn't agree with them like their pointless attacks on Bill Richardson. Attacking members of your own party, what definition of the word 'divisive' do you have that doesn't fit that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 03/25/2008

the problem for the super delegates is that some of them owe the Clinton there careers. So they are afraid to pick barack however at the same time they are not picking her ether. that's was bill Richardson problem however he got his chance once barack made the race speech.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 03/25/2008

When the math is done and it sows Hillary has between a 5 and 10% chance of catching Barack it makes me wonder why the superdelegates continue to sit on their hands and tell themselves it's a tie what are they wanting to happen? When Hillary told the double decker whopper with extra patties about Bosnia a resonable person would have decided right then to back Barack. There is video proof of Hillary sauntering off the plane and walking up to a little girl with flowers for her and Hillary kissed her on the top of her head before walking off with her 16 year old daughter in tow. There was not funny weird landing to avoid gunfire. There was no duck and run from the plane to avoid gunfire. Sinbad said he had no red phone experiences eccept for lunch choices. she lied. Amb. Wilson went on a imagenary trip with her to Africa that he didn't take with her She went with someone else, She lied. Now McCain mixes up Iranians and Al Queda as to who is training who and this is called a senior moment. He's an old as dirt fart and she lies and still the super delegates are fench sitting waiting....waiting ....waiting until the party implodes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 03/25/2008

Hillary Clinton believes she is entitled to the Presidency.
She has run a lousy campaign because she believes she is entitled, and never expected anyone to actually have the audacity to make her earn the Democratic nomination.
Unless the Democratic nominee is Hillary Clinton, she will cheerfully destroy the chances of a Democratic victory in November.
This is NOT, and never has been, about the Democrats taking back the White House.
It's always been only about the Clintons taking back the White House.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 03/25/2008

Brokered convention: OPERATION CHAOS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 03/25/2008

Clinton we dont like u just give it up plz omg i hate this lady more then any one ele she is so evil u can see it in her face

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 03/25/2008

Hillary -- We LOVE you!!! Keep up the good work!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 03/25/2008

Good Work? Um she's losing. yup great job!!! keep it up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 03/25/2008

What good work? Lying? She isn't even doing that well as she keeps getting caught in it.

The one thing she's done well is funnel money from unknown sources to her campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 03/25/2008
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