Given Sen. Clinton's remarks today concerning Sen. Obama's choice of pastor, it's about time the cult of religious fanatics to which she belongs got wider notice. In September of last year Mother Jones ran this piece about The Fellowship, a group to which she belongs and which includes right wing fanatics such as former Sen. Santorum and noted bigot Sen Brownback.
It's time she stepped down. She has done nothing but embarrass herself and the Democratic Party, driving deep divisions that may cost the election and result in a disaster unlike we have yet to imagine.
The ruling class, having profited hugely from their puppet, the current President, has totally bought off Sen. McCain. He wants to cut their taxes further, continue their war, continue policies that will never reverse climate change and leave us with even less health care then before.
Sen. Clinton is part of the same crowd. She is not to be believed. Use the word, "dissemble " or "disingenuous," if you will, but let's call it what it really is. She's a liar, most recently about her trip to Bosnia.
Read that Mother Jones article carefully and then send it out to all your friends, especially the Clinton supporters. It's shocking.
She is not a progressive, she isn't even a liberal. She's more of the same, and prays alongside religious lunatics. She has no right to criticize Obama, her fellow cultists have done more damage to this country than any lone African-American preacher could ever dream of, even if he wanted to.
Sen. Obama doesn't have to project what it would be like to run against a Republican, he's running against one from his own party.
NOTE: I just rechecked the link to Mother Jones and it works for me.
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I have tried 3 times to access the mother jones link and the home page shows but then it cuts to an advertisement. I'm usually not paranoid but ????????
The guy that wrote the Mother Jones article is a nut. He had no facts and said the group was "secretive" so he could find out nothing - then he went on to make huge assumptions. No wonder they pulled it.
Hillary has done nothing to embarrass anyone. She's a great candidate whose won all the major states. Millions of people encourage her to stay in the race every day. The embarrassment to this party is Samantha Power, Rev. Wright and Anton Rezko - Sen. Obama's close fiends..
With 4,000 dead soldiers, tens of thousands wounded, and more than a million estimated dead innocent Iraqi, I'm so glad that this is about her regaining power, and doing anything it takes, for some of you. "Anything it takes" and "Doing whatever she has to" got us to this point... not that Clintonistas care.
The "Family" that prays together stays together!
How can she be trusted?
I would like to hear this raised in the next debate.
Yes I can just see this at the next debate:
Senator Clinton you have been seen praying along side republicans. How can you possibly unite the two parties? Furthermore, unlike Sen. Obama, there is some controversy over this prayer group that you may no longer belong too! Can you not join the same church as Sen Obama? Why can't you Sen Clinton, please explain yourself!!!!! go ahead, please explain why you will not join Sen Obama's church?
I think this should definitely be brought up at the next debate!!
Or perhaps this:
"Senator Clinton, you have criticized Barack Obama for not having left the congregation of Rev. Wright after he learned of Rev. Wright"s controversial statements. Yet you are closely associated with Doug Coe, the leader of the highly secretive, politically powerful, and rightwing religious cult called the Fellowship. In point of fact, you are a frequent visitor to his private compound in Arlington, Virginia. The Fellowship"s followers include many of the most conservative members of congress, as well as several despotic dictators. Could you please tell us what attracts you to this religious cult, how often you attend their services, and how much money Mr. Coe has contributed to your campaign?"
Well her reply might be:
You must be an Obama supporter, since you throw facts around loosely before they are proven.
Just recently we found out that a top member of the Obama campaign was the employer of the person that breached Sen Obama's passport after all you Obama supporters were wagging your fingers at me!
As for the Fellowship, that is not my church, and whatever money Mr Coe has contributed to my campaign will not change the fact that Sen Obama is a member of a church that seems to be promoting hate and anti-american sentiment, as well as racial division. In a particular part of his sermon he (Wright) is telling his people not to consider me because I am white. I find that particularly alarming for someone running as a Uniter to be attending a divisive church and then justifying it by pointing to his grand mother. Is it not racist to listen to someone tell african americans not to vote for me because I am white, and say nothing about it until you get caught!!!
Interestingly, Hillary's campaign is not even responding to inquiries about who is her current pastor or which church she belongs to.
Sorry- I meant to say right-wing conspiracy-- I guess those who pray together -- stay tight- and don't conspire against eachother...
O.K.-- so they got started as a National Prayer Group -- mostly evangelical neo-con types who meet to pray and have a big breakfast reception once a year... what will we find -a left- wing conspiracy ?
This just gives more proof that Obama supporters are after garbage!! Change to the real garbage seekers! ! Not one single positive on Obama, just negatives on Clinton and McCain!!!
Note that the author of this article poses no proof of anything just conclusions! Also nothing positive on Obama, just some vaguely unclear accuations about Clinton. So we should vote for Obama because Clinton is an evil person!! So the focus of an Obama supporter is not on Obama but on Clinton or McCain. Is that because really, Obama does not really add anything new to the table? What were his accomplishments in Illinois? Did he talk about race there? I have asked several Obama supporters this question and they have been stomped by it.
The Obamadox of hope!!
As to proof, the MotherJones article is very detailed. If you read this article you will understand why it is valid to be very concerned.
OK, what is the proof?
and what should we be concerned about?
OK JFB:
what is the proof? I am listening!
I don't see any real proof just desperation from Obama supporters!
The only problem with this "scandal" is that Hillary (peace be upon Her) is not in this "prayer group" with the same intensity and commitment that Barack is in Rev. Wright's church.
It's Washington folks! Don't you get it? Hillary made a calculated political decision. This is why we like her so much. She knows it's a game, and she plays it VERY well.
If you take one thing away from this campaign, let it be this:
Hillary Clinton is the consumate politician with skills honed over the past 35 years (yes, THIS is her "experience"). Hillary can be trusted to take care of us, the working class, despite the overtures she's been making to Murdoch, Scaiffe, and yes.....The Family.
Trust us, when Hillary and Bill regain power....all will be well again. Just like it was before we got Bushwhacked!
Hillary '08!
And so will the political fighting with the Republicans, and the scandals, and the sniping and nothing will get done. Or else we'll get sold out in a political deal like NAFTA. Yea, good ole Bill and Hillary.
The scandal is that she is a member of the Fellowship at all. As a Hillary Clinton apologist, should she pull off her coup and become president, were will you draw the line for acceptable policy: war with Iran perhaps?
Wow. There are so many things wrong with your thinking, AnnInCa. You're so pro-Hillary, you've now become anti-logical thought.
1st, "the same intensity and commitment . . . " How would you know how intense Obama is inside Wright's church? Have you ever seen Obama inside Wright's church? Is he intense or nearly falling asleep like most everyone else in ANY church.
2nd, If you believe Hillary is part of "The Family" because of her shrewd political skills, then why wouldn't the same be true of Obama? By your own admission (and magical thinking), it stands to reason that Obama is therefor just as shrewd as Hillary.
3rd, You list a large number of conservative foes (Murdoch, The Family), that we should ignore so that we can be taken care of by Hillary. . . To trust her "Despite her overtures" . . . the same overtures that make her okay just because she doesn't commit the same intensity that Barack does in Wright's church? Huh?
AND FINALLY, "Trust us, when Hillary AND BILL regain power ? ? ?? ? ? HUH? Do you know how much you've made them sound like a King and Queen? Not to mention that are forefathers were vehemently opposed to a 2 President (KING) rule? That's why the vice presidency is supposed to be a largely ornamental position. Not to mention . . . it means that you don't envision that Hillary is good enough on her own.
But the truth is . .
Don't forget that 15 of HRC's 35 years of experience were spent mostly as a corporate lawyer, representing corporations.
"In her autobiography, "Living History," Clinton mentions two cases. In one, she represented a canning company against a man who found part of a dead rat in his pork and beans. In another, she represented a logging company accused of wrongdoing after an accident injured several workers. While Clinton used both anecdotes for comic effect, in both cases she was working for corporate interests.
She also served on corporate boards, including that of retail giant Wal-Mart from 1986-1992, frozen yogurt purveyor TCBY from 1985-1992 and cement manufacturer LaFarge from 1990-1992. She earned tens of thousands of dollars in fees from each.
Clinton's firm represented Wal-Mart and TCBY while she sat on their boards, a cozy practice that corporate governance experts frown upon because of the potential for conflicts of interest."
(http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/26377.html)
Or that Rose documents that "disappeared" from the firm mysteriously turned up at the White House in 1996:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=980DE4D81239F935A35752C0A960958260
If political experience were more important than, for instance, judgment, one might want to compare years of experience in elected office - Obama's 12 to Clinton's 8.
35 years of experience may be an impressive campaign slogan, but, sadly, much of that time has been spent serving corporate interests against the interests of the average American.
So she's got no commitment? That's a shocker.
"Trust us, when Hillary and Bill regain power....all will be well again. Just like it was before we got Bushwhacked!"
Bush also asked us to just trust him. Hillary lost that trust when she voted for the war just to save her electibility. And that was just the beginning.
Hillary's involvement with right-wing slime isn't about us, it's about her. And there's absolutely NO reason to trust her in the future, when she hasn't been trustworthy in the past and isn't trustworthy now.
I usually at least let your comments pass by me, and sometimes even agree with you--but not on this.
This is serious business--the business of power brokerage through the guise and archetypal constructs of religion--and it serves no one but the elitists in this country. This not about business as usual; this is a situation that SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED by the constituents of any politician, as it is a clear indicator of anti-democratic behavior and ultimately the subversion of the US constitution.
And no, if this is credible information, then she IS NOT TO BE TRUSTED under any circumstances.
If you are anything more than a Clinton shill or a closet republican you will read the writing on the wall and wise up; trivalizing this is absurd.
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony
MYTH: Barack Obama is running a positive campaign that will unite Americans.
FACT: Barack Obama and his advisers have conducted a divisive "full assault" on Hillary's character.
While talking a lot about the politics of hope, change and unity, Sen. Obama and his campaign have been conducting a relentless and singularly personal assault on Hillary's character. They have blanketed big states with false negative mailers and radio ads and have described Hillary and her campaign as "disingenuous," "divisive," "untruthful," "dishonest," "polarizing," "calculating," "saying whatever it takes to win," "attempting to deceive the American people," "one of the most secretive in America," "deliberately misleading," "literally willing to do anything to win," and "playing politics with war."
This "full assault" on Hillary's integrity and character has reached a new peak since Hillary's victories on March 4th. One of Sen. Obama's top surrogates equated President Clinton with Joe McCarthy; another called Hillary a "monster;" and his campaign manager held an angry conference call claiming that Hillary is "deeply flawed" and has "character issues." That's neither unifying nor hopeful. If Sen. Obama really is the prohibitive favorite some say he is, these negative attacks make absolutely no sense. Why would a frontrunner seek to attack and divide? If Sen. Obama can't unify Democrats in a primary, how can he unify Americans in a general election?
One you missed - "Weasel".
No, Obama didn't call her that.
But in 2005, the Information Technology Professionals of America, presented Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) with the "Weasel Award". The Weasel Award is given to a prominent business person or political leader, who the ITPAA believes has acted in a way THAT BETRAYS THE TRUST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
Senator Clinton won the award for her unfullfilled 2000 pledge to Upstate New York to create 200,000 jobs in order to revive the lagging economy, and her tireless patronage of the Indian offshoring high tech giant, Tata Consulting Services, which she brought instead to Buffalo in 2002.
In 6 yrs since 2002, TCS has shipped many thousands of US "techie" jobs off to Mumbai and has compensated the US for enabling its accelerated growth and high profits by shipping back to us each year 8,000 - 10,000 Indian techies which are placed in TCS' clients' US offices. Senator Clinton graciously enabled this economically disadvantageous insult by supporting increases in allocations of H-1b temporary worker visas and making sure that TCS got enough each year.
William J. Clinton was awarded approx $4,000,000 in consulting fees for his dedication and the campaign coffers of Senator Clinton were graced with $2,000,000 - $3,000,000. A Hillary Rodham Clinton Mass Communication Center has been built in Mumbai, in honor of her svce to India.
Meanwhile Upstate NY has 30,000 less jobs than in 2002.
Link below.
(Applause)
http://www.itpaa.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1485
Re: "disingenuous," "untruthful," "dishonest," "deliberately misleading," "attempting to deceive the American people"
Tusla.
Gross exaggeration of her roll in Ireland (she has now become a joke in Ireland, where they know a thing-or-two about this topic).
NAFTA.
Re: "calculating"
Attempted manipulation of the Nevada caucus.
After realizing she was doomed without, demanding revotes in Florida and Michigan after signing off on their exclusion.
Re: "saying whatever it takes to win"
Comparing Barack Obama"s campaign to Carl Rove.
Her statement that only she and McCain have the requisite experience.
Re: "one of the most secretive in America"
Tax returns.
Redacted portions of her schedule as first lady (she had no security clearance, so why the redactions?).
Contributors to the Clinton Library (who do she and Bill owe favors to, and for how much?).
Earmarks for New York.
Re: "literally willing to do anything to win"
Kitchen sink.
Re: "playing politics with war"
Her Iraq vote (she only voted for the war authorization so that she would be more electable in a presidential election. Is this perhaps the biggest political miscalculation in her career?).
Her vote on Iran (for the same pathetic reason).
If the shoe fits¦¦¦.
"While talking a lot about the politics of hope, change and unity, Sen. Obama and his campaign have been conducting a relentless and singularly personal assault on Hillary's character. They have blanketed big states with false negative mailers and radio ads and have described Hillary and her campaign as "disingenuous," "divisive," "untruthful," "dishonest," "polarizing," "calculating," "saying whatever it takes to win," "attempting to deceive the American people," "one of the most secretive in America," "deliberately misleading," "literally willing to do anything to win," and "playing politics with war."
You blame the above characterizations on Obama. However, long before the nation ever heard of Barack Obama everyone of those characterizations had been used about Hillary.
By the way, I hope none of those bullets she was avoiding on the tarmac did anyone any damage.
Thanks for your contribution, Tonya.
Obviously, and this FACT isn't lost upon anyone not so biased as to be downright into stupidity.
Obviously you are part of the kitchen sink, knee capping Clinton strategy which is oh-so ethical.
note that none of those things are inaccurate. just true. whassa matta doesn't hillary deserve the same scrutiny and vetting as obama?
USE THE INTERNET FOR THE CORRECT INFORMATION, NOT THE MSM. Go to YOUTUBE yourself and read and hear the True Sermons of Pastor Wright.
Tell the Whole Story FOX! Barack Obama's pastor Wright
http://uk.youtube.com/user/TRINITYCHGO
P1-What FOX doesn't want you to know about Jeremiah Wright
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdfbWSJINhg
P2-What FOX doesn't want you to know about Jeremiah Wright
09:29 From: ronptech
P3-What FOX doesn't want you to know about Jeremiah Wright
06:34 From: ronptech
P4-What FOX doesn't want you to know about Jeremiah Wright
09:12 From: ronptech
Sam Stein>> Meet The (White) Man Who Inspired Wright's Controversial Sermon
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/politics/
Hillary is just Bush-Lite.. and not even that "Lite". Why anyone wants to contribute to building a reconized "royal line" in the USA is beyond me. I think the gene pool is big enough that we can venture outside the 2 royal families. If Hillary is elected the same two families will have run the country for almost a quarter-century. No me gusta!
Obama's Pastor was on his campaign. He did know about these issues, and he did not circumvent them when he should have.
I don't care about Hillary's prayer group members. I have had some pretty weird statements made by those in prayer groups. They would not be on my campaign.
The Fellowship is not an innocent "prayer group" as you suggest. Their reason for being is to influence governments in an extreme right, corporatist direction.
Her fellowship travelers are not on her campaign, but would they be influencing her administration? That is the question.
double standard eh? people questioned why he attended the church, why he did not walk out & Also why doesent he renounce the preacher.
You mean to tell me the ONLY issue folks had with the rev wright thing is that he was part of obama's campaign??? I mean really...
Interesting why you left these thinks out.. as to not have to measure hillary by the same yard stick.
nice try though
Anytime I see someone easily calling her a liar over a tale told on the trail for fun while giving Obama a pass for first telling AMERICA that he never heard Wright say inflammatory things and then admit to AMERICA that, of course, he heard him: I think the writer's credibility is out the window.
There is quite a lot of difference between being caught in a private fun moment and looking the camera in the eye and lying. Isn't there? Or perhaps not to Obama supporters. Perhaps that distinction is lost upon his educated minions.
stop deluding yourself because you are not a Democrat, you are a Hillicrat: small states don't matter, caucuses don't matter, endorsements for Obama are insignificant, Fl & MI should count even though I signed the pledge, popular votes, electoral colleges matter, etc. Hillicrat propose everything to win even if it hurts the party.
Posted March 25, 2008 | 04:41 PM (EST)