Paul Krugman Slams...Hillary

Paul Krugman Slams...Hillary

NY Times   |  Paul Krugman   |   March 26, 2008 12:54 PM


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OK, this is pretty dumb. Hillary Clinton wants a high-level commission to analyze ways to resolve the mortgage crisis -- including Alan Greenspan.

Yes, I know people still listen when Greenspan speaks -- and John McCain once joked about taking Greenspan's advice even if he's dead. But for those in the know, AG is a key villain in the whole affair.


 
 

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Anything to criticize Hillary, shotgunjohnny. Krugman has real contempt for Greenspan. But Hillary is just trying to get as many minds...??...as possible to solve our nation's economic problems. And normally you would not hear any criticism from Krugman about Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 03/30/2008

this is a slam? Did they actually read the thing before the wrote the headline?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 03/28/2008

Krugman slamming Hillary only makes me more likely to vote for her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 AM on 03/28/2008

SHE DONT HAVE TO CRY AGAIN

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 03/31/2008

This is kind of big. Krugman has been a staunch HRC supporter. For him to go after her is a media setback for her campaign. Every single op-ed writer has slammed her for one thing or another in the last week.
Wake up Clinton, save your career as a democrat by bowing out. Do it in a way that reunites the party. You'll do more good as a leader in the senate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 03/28/2008

Wow....what a slam.....NOT.

It's apparent there are no boundaries when it has been decided to bash Sen. Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 03/27/2008

get used to it 'cuz the MSM is finally getting the picture--she's not been so sweet and cordial herself. in fact, she's been nasty, dirty, and strident from the beginning.

in fact, she's been exactly the candidate we dont want in the Oval Office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 AM on 03/28/2008

Robert Rubin is no innocent bystander either. In an interview on NPR, Robert Rubin was asked by Michelle Norris about the mortgage mess "
Michelle Norris: "I ask the question not necessarily because your hands were on the levers, but you're seen as one of the wisest of the wise men on Wall Street. And I wonder if you ever wish that you had perhaps spoken up or raised this issue?"
Robert Rubin: "I actually did raise them for years in my speeches. If you go back over the speeches I gave for the three or four years before this occurred, you'll see a lot of reference to the underweighting of risk and the developing of excesses. But if you're running trading rooms, you've got to run them every day and you've got to be in the business every day. And the kinds of views that others have around you of that kind may factor into what you're doing. But fundamentally, you can't go out of business. You can't stop doing business. And that's how the system just continues to move along that way...................but if you're actually running businesses, which I did at one time [20 or more years ago], you can listen to all that but fundamentally you've got to be in there every day, engaging in what's going on. Otherwise, you're not in the business."
In other words, Robert Rubin was just going along with the system with business as usual, while collecting big bonuses!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 03/27/2008

Rubin and his Citicorp/Wall Street buds got Clinton to repeal the Glass-Steigle Act (which had protected the US economy since the Depression) and pass massive "banking reforms" in 1999 which "deruglated" financail institutions and allowed them to run amuk over consumers and creditors.
With friends like this, who needs enemies?" Also see HRC's posted economic plan - suggest 30% (!) cap on credit card interest--thanks a lot!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 03/27/2008

Yes, Hillary, Bill and her DLC buddies are no friends of Democrats. They are "Depublicans" - all pro-business. Even Greenspan called Bill a "Republican."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 03/28/2008

Yeah, a roundtable with A.G., Hillary et al, to include Carville and Chelsea. He's the rock (of St. Peter) upon which the Clinton campaign machinates ("a seasonal metaphor"). She's a Wall Street wizard these days and skilled at non-answering a legitimate question from an acknowledged Clinton supporter.

Now that would be an interesting den of vipers.

Hillary will stop at nothing to win even if it means wrecking the Party. In effect she says it and so does her principal surrogate, Bill. Fight back. Write the superdelegates in your state. Power to the people!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 03/27/2008

denozealot:
Your handle describes you well my friend. And here you go again with your tiresome, Hillary bashing and having to lie to do it. You Obama guys are trying to spin it - that Hillary fighting back is some kind of no no? What on earth is the matter with you? You guys do nothing but whine, and cry and complain... when it comes time for Obama to be a big boy. and of course... lies, and swear and threaten trying to intimidate the public into joining your crazed Hillary lynch mob.

No thanks... i've had about enough Rev, Wright type attitudes to last a lifetime.

So stop your cheap - dirty name calling and grow up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 03/27/2008

First - before you slam Rev. Wright, you should take the time to listen to the complete sermons. A few hyped up soundbites by the MSM do no tell the true story of Rev. Wright.

Secondly, I could care less how long Hillary stays in this race, as long as she takes the high road like Huckabee did and not try to kneecap Obama. And as for lying and threatening...what was that about Bosnia? Or the letter her friends wrote to Nancy Pelosi?

Hillary has hung herself, no need for anyone to "lynch" her - by the way, didn't you get the memo about using that word?

What gets me, is that's she's obviously willing to make Obama unelectable so she can run again in 2012. Which means she is willing to sacrifice our troops to 4 more years of the Bush/McCain nightmarish war so she can be President. She's not only willing to destroy the party, she's willing to destroy the lives of the men and women who are valiantly serving this country whether or not they agree with its policies. She makes me ill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 03/28/2008

Will Rachel Sklar be next? Nah, she's a bit too thick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 03/27/2008

You break it you buy it Paul.

It will be enjoyable to hear what the Hildbeast Camp calls Paul now. Hey Carville, what are you going to brand Paul?

I am so sick of this show. Its disturbing and disgusting and hurtful.

In a season of hope, this.

Enough is enough, time to say no to all of this.

Obama 2008

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 03/26/2008

A couple weeks ago Obamabots had their panties in a bunch when Krugman dissed their boy; and the buzz was "what does this guy know". Now he is king because he went after Hillary....you people wouldn't know "fair" if it bit you in the butt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 03/27/2008

Obamabots, huh?

i would characterize Obama supporters as being sensitive, intelligent, and willing to go against the script written by the party. Hillary supporters appear knee-jerk, unthinking, and like party lemmings.

i can see you probably like the term 'Obamabots', but it isnt a word that rings true. its not based on anything actually occuring in the real world. sorry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 AM on 03/28/2008

Why do we pay attention to these self appointed experts

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 03/27/2008

I am pleased to see Krugman slam Clinton for her statement she would appoint Greenspan to the stated position. Greenspan bears some responsibility for lack of oversight over the complex debt instruments and securities that got us in the mortgage mess we're in. The fact she would suggest his appointment shows she is more interested in creating the impression she is accomplishing something than really being interested in getting the right results. Her support for freezing interest rates temporarily also falls in this category. There are other forms of relief like a stay of all foreclosures for subpar mortgages that makes sense. Both she and Obama support this.

My problem with Krugman has been two-fold: (1) his overemphasis on the differences in their health care plans - few campaign plans make it through the Congress as originally proposed. While he may be right about the need for a mandate, he repeatedly battered Obama about it and refused to acknowledge that overall Obama is more progressive. He was pathological in the repetition of his criticism. (2) His assault on Obama supporters was unfair as there are many Clintonistas (I used to support Bill) who are no less passionate. The fact is for many of us Obama gives us hope because his popularity is so great he could produce a large mandate for the Dem party that no candidate in my time (I first voted in '84) has been likely to produce. His failure to recognize Obama's potential transformative power seemed misguided.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 03/26/2008

cheforacle:

Obama doesn't have a plan.. He copied just about everything he could from Hillary! including her Eco and how to handle the mortgage crisis plan... that I hear Obama is going to present as his own tonight in his ... speech!

I think the media spin and hype about Obama's potential has been truly MISGUIDED if not deliberately fraudulent!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 03/27/2008

100% agree. His description of Obama and his supporters as being "Nixonian" was laughable and then he tried comparing Obama to Jimmy Carter.

Krugman is a smart guy, but he should stick to Economics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 03/27/2008

absolutely right!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 03/26/2008

this guy has drunk too many manhattans on the job--its telling!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 03/26/2008

I think Krugman is smart. I am an Obama supporter- he was not my first choice but once I got to know him I really grew to like him. Hillary was never a contender for me- too Republican.

But about the health care plans. It is too soon to talk about them other than very general terms. You better believe that the HMOs will fight tooth and nail to keep their gravy train. Clinton has already said she couldn't do it her first term. Anyone that has taken so much money from this industry cannot be objective.

So I'm with Obama and hoping for the best. At least he is objective.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 03/26/2008

Remember when the uprroar when Greenspan said that Iraq war was all about oil? Then he backed right off it. (What are you crazy- don't just tell the truth to the American People)

I never had much respect for him. He created this big mess. So what- put him on a commission to cover his tracks? Hillary -your allegiance to the Bush administration is showing!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 03/26/2008

Opus007:

And Obama's allegiance to Rezko, Rev. Wright with his racist Farrakhan connection is horrifying!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 03/27/2008

I for one, am gratified to see Krugman exhibit a more balanced approach. I used to enjoy
his editorials, before they became rants for Hillary

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 03/26/2008

What wrong newshawk:

Did you believe that a balanced approach means one sided - pro Obama?

newsflash... in a real election.... ALL Candidates are vetted - both opponents are give Equal and fair - objective - media time-

It is criminal NOT to do so. The public must know the TRUTH about the candidates... and not be fed a pile of promotional - media created rock star bullshit like they have with Obama.

Get it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 03/27/2008

Your post is mostly nonsense. Just go to nytimes.com, click on opinion, click on
Paul Krugman, and read his earlier posts. I'm assuming you can read, and even
more importantly understand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 03/28/2008

It's just more triangulation from the Hillary team. Wingnuts still love Al, McCain loves Al, so Hillary loves Al, because she wants the wingnuts to love her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 03/26/2008

Rants for Hillary? Link?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 03/26/2008

yeah just go to ny times and you can look up krugmans op-eds. you might not call them rants, but yes they are pro-Hillary or against Obama (the one criticizing Obama because he thinks Obama supporters are cultish comes to mind)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 03/26/2008

Politikal. Start reading posts on this blog by Obama supporters and you will see why he and many others have come to that conclusion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 03/27/2008

Every column I've read by Krugman has been a cheerleading column for Hillary. This is the first time I've heard him criticize her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 03/26/2008

O.K.... I have already read them. What I saw was a discussion on the comparative progressivism of the two plans vs. a truly progressive single payer system. Hillary's was more inclusive and more likely to be sustainable than Barack's because of its' mandatory nature. Put differently: Hillsry's was the better of two comparatively regressive options.

Also read the one about Obama supporters. I don't think he was too far off the mark insofar as to this minute many refuse to recognize that Barack's health policies are not particularly progressive because they build upon a regressive model vs, scrapping it in favor of single payer.

This does not make him a political operative, this makes him an economics analyst...last I saw that was all he claimed to be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 03/27/2008

Simply go to nytimes.com, click on opinion, click on Paul Krugman, and read his
editorials in recent months for Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 03/26/2008

Paul Krugman is a sexist! How could you implay that about Hillary! Are you trying to say that women are not good with money!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 03/26/2008

About time the exposure of Greenspan began. If ever there was a more overrated financial pundit please let us know. The book "Greenspans Bubbles" by Fleckstein and Sheehan details that this guy has been consistently wrong for decades. Its not just the current mortgage fiasco. Its S&L, Long Term Management, tech boom, Y2k etc.

For Rove/Clinton to suggest putting him on panel to solve this mess shows how out of touch she really is. The motto of her campaign really is "Back to the Future" or maybe "a bridge to the 20th century".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 03/26/2008

A Greenspan is a desciple of Ann Rand of Atlas Shrugged fame which is strange for a graduate of Harvard in economics to be listening to a Russian refugee with little more than a high school education in the first place. But nevertheless, he "believes," if that is the right word, that capitalists will always do the morally and ethically soundest thing for their clients, the public, because to do otherwise will jeopradize their business. The publlic will quit doing busines with them! Go figure. I guess that works in the never-never land of Randism and in the imagination of Greenspan, but never once to me knowledge on Wallstreet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 03/26/2008

I love Ayn Rand... and Atlas Shrugged.

I strongly suggest you read it... is an easy and great read!

Go HIllary!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 03/27/2008

I read Atlas Shrugged 41 years ago. I guessed the entire course of the
book after about five pages. The entire speech by John Galt, which is
based on syllogistic reasoning, is utter nonsense, based on what she
thinks is the nature of man. All I can say, is every professor of Zoology,
Anthropology, Psychology, and Sociology, would be rolling in the aisles.
Her arguments are by exhortation, and bear a remarkable similarity to
the Marquis de Sade in Justine. I consider her little more than an
immoral moron. Always thought Nathaniel Brandon was the brains.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 03/28/2008