On Wednesday, the Gallop Poll reported on a new survey's findings that the battle between Senators Clinton and Obama is leading many democrats to say they would vote for McCain if their favorite candidate isn't nominated. 19% of Obama supporters asked by the survey expressed this intention and that number for Clinton's supporters was a whopping 28%.

There are several important things to observe about this report:

The report declares that "a sizable proportion of Democrats would vote for John McCain next November if he is matched against the candidate they do not support for the Democratic nomination." That's incorrect. The right conclusion is that a sizable portion of democrats say that's what they are going to do. No one knows who will vote for whom eight months from now. As insignificant as Clinton's chances of victory may be, we are still in the middle of a contested campaign. So it is most likely that many of the respondents are actively thinking about what they can do to impact the outcome of the nomination process and are employing "fear tactics" in their responses to scare the superdelegates into giving their candidate the nomination.

The second point is that Clinton supporters are more frustrated these days about their candidate's dimming chances of winning this nomination. This is understandable, but it may also be one reason why more Clinton supporters are saying they would vote for McCain if she is not the nominee than there are Obama supporters who would do that if she is the nominee.

The most plausible explanation for the stated willingness of this many Clinton supporters - most of whom are traditional democrats - to support McCain is that their response is a natural reflection of their emotions on the eve of their candidate's sinking candidacy. While this is how these supporters are feeling now, once they see that the choice is between Obama - who wants to bring troops home, provide universal healthcare and roll back tax-cuts for the wealthy as Sen. Clinton does - and McCain who intends to do none of the above, most of them are likely to come around and support Obama.

This brings us to third point, which is that the party can eventually recover and unite, but only if the democrats can have a nominee in or before June. If they go on to the convention with no nominee, the emotions of those die-hard supporters of either candidate will have lasted longer and become stronger. This will make it a whole lot harder for the Democratic nominee to unite the party in less than three months to carry the general election.

But "what a shame" was the first thought that crossed my mind when I read the result of this survey. Here is a group of voters who are either willing to lie to manipulate the results of a survey or have been genuinely blinded into irrationality by their own absurd loyalty that they seem to have forgotten why they're democrats and what the core purpose of democracy itself is. They are being so emotional and resentful of the other candidate that they have lost sight of why they're going through this process. They seem willing to sacrifice their own self-interest just to make a statement, prove a point and teach a lesson. The only point they're making is that if there is one argument against democracy, it is that there are always going to be irrational people who are willing to vote against their own interests.

As far as Clinton supporters are concerned, this kind of behavior may be rooted in the candidate's own history and pattern of behavior. Loyalty is important to the Clintons. This blogger would submit that that's why Bill Clinton is out there working so hard to begin with: to pay Hillary back for sticking up for him after the Lewinsky affair and appear to historians deserving of her past support when he was in trouble.

And for some Clinton supporters, loyalty is more important than country. James Carville thought it was appropriate to liken Bill Richardson to Judas who sold out Jesus for 30 pieces of silver when he endorsed Barack Obama and reiterated his incongruous biblical analogy on CNN by saying that Richardson was being "disloyal" - not to the country, but to the Clintons. The idea is that when President Clinton selected Richardson for various cabinet posts, he didn't do it based on a genuine interest to select the best person to serve the country. Carville seems to believe that Clinton picked Richardson to pay him a political favor, for which Richardson's highly respectable service to the country wasn't an adequate payback. Carville thinks Richardson should pay back by supporting Hillary Clinton's run for office regardless of who he believes is best for the country. Since Carville was an insider during the Clinton years, why should we doubt when he tries to teach us how things were done in the Clinton White House?

No one goes against the Clinton family, Carville believes. This may also be why Joseph Wilson continuously and unconditionally supports Sen. Clinton just one day after she makes up a story about landing under sniper fire in Bosnia in the 1990s. It's plausible to believe one not remembering something that happened. But it's nearly impossible for one to remember something that never happened anywhere or on any trip. She didn't "misspoke" or "misstate;" she lied. What more is she supposed to do to get criticized?

The parliamentary elections were held in Iran two weeks ago where hundreds of reformist and moderate candidates were barred from running. Nonetheless, Iranians showed up at the polls in millions and voted for the best possible options. While they protested the process and deemed it fundamentally flawed, most of them understood that acting on their self-interest is ultimately every citizen's main responsibility on election day. The fact that here in the United States with just about the most rigorous and free democratic nomination process, there are those voters who are willing to go to the ballet box and vote against their own interest is really quite a shame. The mentality is, "if I don't get my best choice, I'm going to pick my worst."

If this is how some want to exercise democracy, that's fine. But they will have no legitimate right to show up at war rallies three years after McCain's election and complain that they deserve better. When it comes to picking a president in a democracy, we never deserve any better. What we get is always what we deserve.



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The Democratic party will lose a lot more then 24 mill from the big donors if they mess with this race! I know there will be a much larger percent then 28% of Hillary Clinton supporters who even now are not giving a penny to the DNC until those Florida & Michigan delegates are seated. They end this campaign early and they will have a mass exit by over half of there party! We just might become a 3 party nation over this! It is that serious! Hillary Clinton was to be this election year party nominee and everyone knew it. If this is not run in a way in which every single Democrat who wants a voice & vote and a delegate at the convention to choose this years nominee you will see most Florida and Michigan and Hillary supporters not be there with either money or votes! How many Obama supporters are only Obama supporters and not other Democratic interest supporters? How many Hillary Clinton supporters also support all other Democratic Party interest? Her supporter show up at the voting booth and vote straight Democratic tickets year in and year out. Can you say that about Obama's supporters? The Democratic Party also need Mayors, State leaders, US Senate, US House of Representatives not just the White House. Hey DNC are you sure you can afford the cost of a Obama nomination?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 PM on 03/27/2008

i was so wishing the obama camp would earn the endorsement of bill richardson, and i believe it should in no way effect the status of the friendship. bill richardson has more clout and experience at foreign affairs, running a state, finances, and is highly naturally skilled at diplomacy. he agonized over his decision which speaks volumes, and(bill clinton's visit to watch the super bowl didn't make that decision any easier). i was so endeared regarding his debate story about obama's having allowed bill richardson to save face when asked about katrina, and in a presidential race that also speaks volumes. if obama wasn't running, i would have voted for bill richardson, and if obama didn't choose bloomberg, i would like a barack/bill richardson ticket!!!

obama '08

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 03/27/2008

As this campaign draws on, I'm seeing less and less difference between Clinton and McCain. Some of that due to her OWN statements on the subject. And I'm seeing less and less difference between Clinton supporters and Rabid Republican supporters. So it doesn't surprise me in the least that they'd vote for the McCain over Obama. If they can't have their Republican, they'll vote for the next best one I guess. You're right - it truly is a shame. But my eyes have been opened to the real Democratic party, and I'm seeing the 90's in a different light as well.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 03/27/2008

pabarabara1969 is a perfect example of some who supports The Clinton's. Attack! Attack! Attack! Uh-oh, someone is saying that Hillary lied about Bosnia just because there is a film of what happened and her endless description is shown to be a lie. Break out the attacks! Battle Stations everyone! Pastor Wright! Everyone is a liar!

The Clinton's, and those unlucky enough to support them, constantly attack. They cannot win arguments so they attack anyone who opposes them. Richardson is a "Judas", other senators have nefarious reasons. Meanwhile evryone who supports The Clinton's does so because their hearts are pure and innocent.

It is crazy, but that is the whole Philosophy of The Clinton's: everyone who opposes them is bad and must be attacked. Lies are truth, is as a word has so many meanings, their lies are misstatements. Bill did not have sex with that woman because Hillary was dodging sniper fire at the time and the vast conspiracy against them is to blame.

The dog, by the way, ate Hillary's files and she had no idea Bush was going to war. Who could have guessed.

The amount of pure deception supporters of The Clinton's put up with is sad.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 03/27/2008

i believe that she would really not flinch if she eventually managed to destroy the chance of our country to change the direction in which the spiral is speedily traveling....we deserve a new vision.
peace-

obama'08

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 03/27/2008

Hillary Clinton has always had a LOT of negatives. Pick your favorite. Being a Demo doesn't mean you have to support Clintons. Clinton 'behavior' is one reason why Al Gore did not make it into the White House. There are various quite legitimate reasons not to vote for her. That being the case, in most ways having John McCain taking over from GWB is not an event to look forward to, is a FAR WORSE proposition, for most of US, without doubt.

Then there are those who wander in here, who are (shall we say) 'Secret Agents' (Joseph Conrad, http://books.google.com/books?id=8Gnnt9-xaDkC)
who advise US to vote against one person or another for whatever nefarious purpose. Mainly, voting is a 'positive' process, as you don't really ever get to vote AGAINST anyone. Maybe we've had enough of the Clintons, but MAINLY we've had enough of the Repos. Keep your eyes on the prize, as they say.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 03/27/2008

This post assumes that voters are issue-based, when all evidence points to the contrary. Gore and Kerry always out-polled Bush on the issues, but look who got elected. Voters decide mostly on (perceived) character. Ignorance of What Really Matters is a byproduct of our weak education system, and is beyond the scope of this discussion. The fact that many voters (Independents, especially) generally arrive at a decision based on a candidate's personality may be unfortunate, though a leader's charisma does deserve some attention. Our president will be the mouthpiece and figurehead of our country for the next 4 to 8 years. The whole of their persona will form a large part of the US government's image amongst our own citizens, and also the rest of the world. Do we want that person to be likable? You tell me.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 03/27/2008

It would be perfectly reasonable to vote for McBomb over HRC. Both would be a disaster, but at least McBomb isn't so easily caught lying and is less likely to blame other people when he screws up. Which will happen continuously if he gets elected (or steals the election, which would be the third time that happened).

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 03/27/2008

I like the twist from the obviously pro Obama supporters here at Huffington Post. Pretty much the slant is if your Pro-Obama your pro country, and that to be for the Clinton's its just about them and the hell with the country.

Thats is the furthest thing from the truth.

First, the question is did Bill Richardson endorse Senator Obama for the reasons he stated. I don't believe so, and neither do I believe Seantor Kennedy, Kerry or Governor patrick did for that matter.

They made a cold calculated decision and went with the way the political wind blew. They certainly didn't say anything about the will of the people in their states, which is the will of the country, but what was good for them.

Each state these men were from, MA, and NM went for Hillary Clinton. How is it that they are siding with a candidate that the moajority of the people in their states didn't vote for? Especially in MA where Senator Clinton won by 250,000 votes.

So please stop this nonsense about being for Obama is for the good of the country. Hhalf the dsemocratic party isn't so sure of that quite yet...

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 03/27/2008

As for Massachusetts, we have had a long love affair with all manner of Democrats, most recently the Clintons. They vacationed here often. There's Hillary's Wellesley connection & Bill's with Harvard. We also have a long tradition of totally ignoring our own Demo leadership, who frequently piss us off. So be it. Do not doubt that Massachusetts will support Barack Obama OVERWHELMINGLY in November. Just as we will vote for Hillary Clinton, if it comes to that.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 03/27/2008

Fact check: Bill has NO Harvard connection to speak of. What was
I thinking? He did speak at Class Day last year, part of commencement.

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2007/06.07/99-clinton.html

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 03/28/2008


I find your comments disingenuous. Surely you know, better than most, that Kennedy, Kerry and Patrick endorsed Obama BEFORE the people in Massachusetts had the opportunity to vote for them. Seeing the returns from DC, I was perplexed and consulted your own Boston Globe for some insight: Apparently the citizenry of Massachusetts, dismayed by what they viewed as Kennedy's betrayal of his friendship with the Clintons, revolted. Somehow, amidst all the "treacherous brouhaha," the idea that Teddy knows the Clintons better than most (familiarity breeding contempt and all that) -- and that he is personally acquainted with Clinton's character and methods -- fell on deaf ears. It seems that the good people of Massachusetts didn't get the message. They were still chafing at their disappointment in Patrick who for all his similarities with Obama -- is NOT Obama.

Ironically, it was Kennedy who advised Obama that he should run this election season and not wait until he had more senatorial years under his belt, which would undoubtedly provide ammunition for Obama's rivals down the road. Kennedy has a "bit" of insight on the matter: no one can have a perfect voting record that will please/appease all voters. Tides change, bills are imperfect, compromises are made. Sometimes it really is wiser to vote "present" (as in state congress) rather than aye or nay on legislative matters onto which are attached controversial
riders, earmarks and the like.

Teddy was right.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 03/27/2008

A lot of the democratic party really should be in the republican party.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 03/27/2008

A fine evaluation of Clintonian loyalty! Which reminds me of the scrape my comrades and I got into with hostiles in Montana territory once...
WHOOPS! There I go misremembering again! Must be tired.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 03/27/2008

I don't agree that if we vote for McCain over Clinton, we will deserve whatever adverse results ensue. The problem with the post is that it presumes Clinton is more likely than McCain "to bring troops home, provide universal healthcare and roll back tax-cuts for the wealthy" when the evidence, such as it is, suggests the opposite: she is even more reactionary than him on those and other vital issues, and probably also less receptive to logic and persuasion as to where the nation's best interests lie. Not to deny McCain his due, but Clinton would be one heck of an awful President.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 03/27/2008
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